I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365
v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD. It doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing them in Finder's Documents.
In article <OcydnQDfx-vMywn9nZ2dnUU7-SfNnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant <ant@zimage.comREMOVETHIS1ST> wrote:
I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365
v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD. It
doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing them in
Finder's Documents.
totally normal. spotlight is not great at finding stuff.
try this instead:
<https://apps.tempel.org/FindAnyFile/>
I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365
v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD. It
doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing them in
Finder's Documents.
totally normal. spotlight is not great at finding stuff.
Actually, Spotlight is EXCELLENT at finding stuff.
In article <s71o6c$4nv$3@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365
v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD. It
doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing them in >>>> Finder's Documents.
totally normal. spotlight is not great at finding stuff.
Actually, Spotlight is EXCELLENT at finding stuff.
actually it's not.
for example, it fails miserably with partial matches.
it doesn't search
everywhere.
the index can silently corrupt.
I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365
v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD. It >>>> doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing them in >>>> Finder's Documents.
totally normal. spotlight is not great at finding stuff.
Actually, Spotlight is EXCELLENT at finding stuff.
actually it's not.
for example, it fails miserably with partial matches.
Give an example...
it doesn't search
everywhere.
It does... ...if you ask it to.
the index can silently corrupt.
Anything can.
In article <s71pcr$fb3$1@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365 >>>>>> v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD. It >>>>>> doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing them in >>>>>> Finder's Documents.
totally normal. spotlight is not great at finding stuff.
Actually, Spotlight is EXCELLENT at finding stuff.
actually it's not.
for example, it fails miserably with partial matches.
Give an example...
consider a bunch of documents and/or folders of medical specialties,
such as toxicology, cardiology, physiology, anesthesiology, oncology, dermatology, radiology, neurology, and ophthalmology.
you want to find all of them, so you search for common letters, in this
case, 'ology'.
since the query does not begin on a word boundary, the search results
will not be particularly helpful, as in none.
on the other hand, if the search query started on a word boundary,
e.g., 'cardio', then it will find cardiology but not any of the others.
you'd have to do multiple searches for each one, hopefully not
forgetting any of them.
it doesn't search
everywhere.
It does... ...if you ask it to.
not where it hasn't indexed.
the index can silently corrupt.
Anything can.
true, except that spotlight relies on an index, and if it's corrupted,
it's not going to work particularly well.
Hello.
I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365
v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD. It doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing them in Finder's Documents.
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
Hello.
I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365
v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD. It doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing them in Finder's Documents.
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
Hello.
I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365
v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD.
It doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing
them in Finder's Documents.
On 2021-05-06 2:46 p.m., nospam wrote:
In article <OcydnQDfx-vMywn9nZ2dnUU7-SfNnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comREMOVETHIS1ST> wrote:
I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365
v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD. It
doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing them in
Finder's Documents.
totally normal. spotlight is not great at finding stuff.
Actually, Spotlight is EXCELLENT at finding stuff.
In article <s71o6c$4nv$3@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365
v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD. It
doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing them in
Finder's Documents.
totally normal. spotlight is not great at finding stuff.
Actually, Spotlight is EXCELLENT at finding stuff.
actually it's not.
for example, it fails miserably with partial matches. it doesn't search everywhere. the index can silently corrupt.
consider a bunch of documents and/or folders of medical specialties,
such as toxicology, cardiology, physiology, anesthesiology, oncology, dermatology, radiology, neurology, and ophthalmology.
you want to find all of them, so you search for common letters, in this
case, 'ology'.
find files containing "biology" and "psychology" that way. Restrictivefor example, let's say you want to find items such as psychology,
biology, oncology and physiology, so you search on 'ology' because
however, if you want to find items such as psychology and psychiatry
since the query does not begin on a word boundary, the search results
will not be particularly helpful, as in none.
it doesn't search
everywhere.
It does... ...if you ask it to.
not where it hasn't indexed.
I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365 >>>>>> v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and >>>>>> Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD. It >>>>>> doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing them in >>>>>> Finder's Documents.
totally normal. spotlight is not great at finding stuff.
Actually, Spotlight is EXCELLENT at finding stuff.
actually it's not.
for example, it fails miserably with partial matches.
Give an example...
consider a bunch of documents and/or folders of medical specialties,
such as toxicology, cardiology, physiology, anesthesiology, oncology, dermatology, radiology, neurology, and ophthalmology.
you want to find all of them, so you search for common letters, in this case, 'ology'.
since the query does not begin on a word boundary, the search results
will not be particularly helpful, as in none.
Sorry, but you're wrong.
"Name ends with" works great.
on the other hand, if the search query started on a word boundary,
e.g., 'cardio', then it will find cardiology but not any of the others. you'd have to do multiple searches for each one, hopefully not
forgetting any of them.
it doesn't search
everywhere.
It does... ...if you ask it to.
not where it hasn't indexed.
It indexes everywhere.
the index can silently corrupt.
Anything can.
true, except that spotlight relies on an index, and if it's corrupted,
it's not going to work particularly well.
And the gain is that searches are nearly instantaneous.
Tradeoffs.
consider a bunch of documents and/or folders of medical specialties,
such as toxicology, cardiology, physiology, anesthesiology, oncology, dermatology, radiology, neurology, and ophthalmology.
you want to find all of them, so you search for common letters, in this case, 'ology'.
mdfind ology -onlyin ~ | wc -l
43
grep ology ~/Documents/newsposts/20160130-100600.news
find files containing "biology" and "psychology" that way. Restrictivefor example, let's say you want to find items such as psychology,
biology, oncology and physiology, so you search on 'ology' because
however, if you want to find items such as psychology and psychiatry
--- Biology psychology oncology physiology
--- Biology or psychology or oncology or physiology
And neither search would find sociology.
***END
Seems like you may have made this same flawed argument in the past (I did not check the entire message, maybe it wasn't you.
In article <slrns9b2fe.231d.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
consider a bunch of documents and/or folders of medical specialties,
such as toxicology, cardiology, physiology, anesthesiology, oncology,
dermatology, radiology, neurology, and ophthalmology.
you want to find all of them, so you search for common letters, in this
case, 'ology'.
mdfind ology -onlyin ~ | wc -l
43
grep ology ~/Documents/newsposts/20160130-100600.news
find files containing "biology" and "psychology" that way. Restrictivefor example, let's say you want to find items such as psychology,
biology, oncology and physiology, so you search on 'ology' because
however, if you want to find items such as psychology and psychiatry
--- Biology psychology oncology physiology
--- Biology or psychology or oncology or physiology
And neither search would find sociology.
***END
Seems like you may have made this same flawed argument in the past (I did not
check the entire message, maybe it wasn't you.
i'm referring to the command-space version, which is what just about
everyone uses, not the command line.
In article <s71s99$cd$1@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365 >>>>>>>> v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and >>>>>>>> Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD. It >>>>>>>> doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing them in >>>>>>>> Finder's Documents.
totally normal. spotlight is not great at finding stuff.
Actually, Spotlight is EXCELLENT at finding stuff.
actually it's not.
for example, it fails miserably with partial matches.
Give an example...
consider a bunch of documents and/or folders of medical specialties,
such as toxicology, cardiology, physiology, anesthesiology, oncology,
dermatology, radiology, neurology, and ophthalmology.
you want to find all of them, so you search for common letters, in this
case, 'ology'.
since the query does not begin on a word boundary, the search results
will not be particularly helpful, as in none.
Sorry, but you're wrong.
the above example works exactly as i described. i tested it prior to
posting.
it's a very simple search that should not fail.
try the same set of words in bbedit. a search for 'ology' will find all
of them. if you search for 'col', it will find only toxicology and
oncology. both exactly as expected
"Name ends with" works great.
additional steps that should not be needed.
on the other hand, if the search query started on a word boundary,
e.g., 'cardio', then it will find cardiology but not any of the others.
you'd have to do multiple searches for each one, hopefully not
forgetting any of them.
it doesn't search
everywhere.
It does... ...if you ask it to.
not where it hasn't indexed.
It indexes everywhere.
no it doesn't.
the index can silently corrupt.
Anything can.
true, except that spotlight relies on an index, and if it's corrupted,
it's not going to work particularly well.
And the gain is that searches are nearly instantaneous.
other alternatives are also nearly instantaneous, but more importantly,
they are more reliable.
Tradeoffs.
reliability should never be traded off.
you also snipped the part where i mentioned about the index being
silently corrupted, which turned out to be the cause of ant's problem.
he's not the only one who has had that happen.
In article <slrns9b2fe.231d.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
consider a bunch of documents and/or folders of medical specialties,
such as toxicology, cardiology, physiology, anesthesiology, oncology,
dermatology, radiology, neurology, and ophthalmology.
you want to find all of them, so you search for common letters, in this
case, 'ology'.
mdfind ology -onlyin ~ | wc -l
43
grep ology ~/Documents/newsposts/20160130-100600.news
find files containing "biology" and "psychology" that way. Restrictivefor example, let's say you want to find items such as psychology,
biology, oncology and physiology, so you search on 'ology' because
however, if you want to find items such as psychology and psychiatry
--- Biology psychology oncology physiology
--- Biology or psychology or oncology or physiology
And neither search would find sociology.
***END
Seems like you may have made this same flawed argument in the past (I did not
check the entire message, maybe it wasn't you.
i'm referring to the command-space version, which is what just about
everyone uses, not the command line.
macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD
On 5/6/21 4:49 PM, Ant wrote:
macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD
I turned off spotlight a decade ago and haven't turned it on since.
When I need to search for something, I use either EasyFind or Find Any
File.
Both are free.
On 2021-05-07 5:33 p.m., nospam wrote:
In article <slrns9b2fe.231d.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
consider a bunch of documents and/or folders of medical specialties,
such as toxicology, cardiology, physiology, anesthesiology, oncology,
dermatology, radiology, neurology, and ophthalmology.
you want to find all of them, so you search for common letters, in this >>>> case, 'ology'.
mdfind ology -onlyin ~ | wc -l
43
grep ology ~/Documents/newsposts/20160130-100600.news
find files containing "biology" and "psychology" that way. Restrictivefor example, let's say you want to find items such as psychology,
biology, oncology and physiology, so you search on 'ology' because
however, if you want to find items such as psychology and psychiatry
--- Biology psychology oncology physiology
--- Biology or psychology or oncology or physiology
And neither search would find sociology.
***END
Seems like you may have made this same flawed argument in the past (I did not
check the entire message, maybe it wasn't you.
i'm referring to the command-space version, which is what just about
everyone uses, not the command line.
They are two interfaces to the same facility.
On 5/6/21 4:49 PM, Ant wrote:
macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD
I turned off spotlight a decade ago and haven't turned it on
since.
When I need to search for something, I use either EasyFind
or Find Any File.
i'm referring to the command-space version, which is what just about everyone uses, not the command line.
They are two interfaces to the same facility.
In article <s74u5f$she$2@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
i'm referring to the command-space version, which is what just about
everyone uses, not the command line.
They are two interfaces to the same facility.
yet they produce different results.
On 2021-05-08 10:39 a.m., nospam wrote:
In article <s74u5f$she$2@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
i'm referring to the command-space version, which is what just about
everyone uses, not the command line.
They are two interfaces to the same facility.
yet they produce different results.
When using different queries, yes.
that is a significant failure.
It's not a failure at all.
It's called revealing an appropriate level of complexity.
Command-space reveals one level.
Finder search a more complete level.
mdfind at the command line is fully complete
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