• macOS Big Sur's search doesn't find everything?

    From ant@ant@zimage.comREMOVETHIS1ST (Ant) to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage on Thursday, May 06, 2021 15:49:21
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    Hello.

    I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365
    v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
    Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD. It
    doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing them in Finder's Documents.

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
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  • From nospam@nospam@nospam.invalid to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage on Thursday, May 06, 2021 17:46:43
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    In article <OcydnQDfx-vMywn9nZ2dnUU7-SfNnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant <ant@zimage.comREMOVETHIS1ST> wrote:

    I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365
    v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
    Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD. It doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing them in Finder's Documents.

    totally normal. spotlight is not great at finding stuff.

    try this instead:
    <https://apps.tempel.org/FindAnyFile/>
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  • From Alan Baker@notonyourlife@no.no.no.no to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage on Thursday, May 06, 2021 14:47:56
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    On 2021-05-06 2:46 p.m., nospam wrote:
    In article <OcydnQDfx-vMywn9nZ2dnUU7-SfNnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant <ant@zimage.comREMOVETHIS1ST> wrote:

    I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365
    v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
    Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD. It
    doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing them in
    Finder's Documents.

    totally normal. spotlight is not great at finding stuff.

    Actually, Spotlight is EXCELLENT at finding stuff.


    try this instead:
    <https://apps.tempel.org/FindAnyFile/>


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  • From nospam@nospam@nospam.invalid to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage on Thursday, May 06, 2021 18:06:50
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    In article <s71o6c$4nv$3@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker
    <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365
    v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
    Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD. It
    doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing them in
    Finder's Documents.

    totally normal. spotlight is not great at finding stuff.

    Actually, Spotlight is EXCELLENT at finding stuff.

    actually it's not.

    for example, it fails miserably with partial matches. it doesn't search everywhere. the index can silently corrupt.
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  • From Alan Baker@notonyourlife@no.no.no.no to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage on Thursday, May 06, 2021 15:08:27
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    On 2021-05-06 3:06 p.m., nospam wrote:
    In article <s71o6c$4nv$3@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365
    v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
    Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD. It
    doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing them in >>>> Finder's Documents.

    totally normal. spotlight is not great at finding stuff.

    Actually, Spotlight is EXCELLENT at finding stuff.

    actually it's not.

    for example, it fails miserably with partial matches.

    Give an example...

    it doesn't search
    everywhere.

    It does... ...if you ask it to.

    the index can silently corrupt.

    Anything can.
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  • From nospam@nospam@nospam.invalid to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage on Thursday, May 06, 2021 18:41:19
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <s71pcr$fb3$1@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker
    <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365
    v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
    Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD. It >>>> doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing them in >>>> Finder's Documents.

    totally normal. spotlight is not great at finding stuff.

    Actually, Spotlight is EXCELLENT at finding stuff.

    actually it's not.

    for example, it fails miserably with partial matches.

    Give an example...

    consider a bunch of documents and/or folders of medical specialties,
    such as toxicology, cardiology, physiology, anesthesiology, oncology, dermatology, radiology, neurology, and ophthalmology.

    you want to find all of them, so you search for common letters, in this
    case, 'ology'.

    since the query does not begin on a word boundary, the search results
    will not be particularly helpful, as in none.

    on the other hand, if the search query started on a word boundary,
    e.g., 'cardio', then it will find cardiology but not any of the others.
    you'd have to do multiple searches for each one, hopefully not
    forgetting any of them.

    it doesn't search
    everywhere.

    It does... ...if you ask it to.

    not where it hasn't indexed.

    the index can silently corrupt.

    Anything can.

    true, except that spotlight relies on an index, and if it's corrupted,
    it's not going to work particularly well.

    the real problem is that spotlight doesn't tell you that the index is
    corrupt, so you'll never know why the results aren't what you might
    expect. btdt.
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  • From Alan Baker@notonyourlife@no.no.no.no to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage on Thursday, May 06, 2021 15:57:45
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021-05-06 3:41 p.m., nospam wrote:
    In article <s71pcr$fb3$1@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365 >>>>>> v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
    Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD. It >>>>>> doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing them in >>>>>> Finder's Documents.

    totally normal. spotlight is not great at finding stuff.

    Actually, Spotlight is EXCELLENT at finding stuff.

    actually it's not.

    for example, it fails miserably with partial matches.

    Give an example...

    consider a bunch of documents and/or folders of medical specialties,
    such as toxicology, cardiology, physiology, anesthesiology, oncology, dermatology, radiology, neurology, and ophthalmology.

    you want to find all of them, so you search for common letters, in this
    case, 'ology'.

    since the query does not begin on a word boundary, the search results
    will not be particularly helpful, as in none.

    Sorry, but you're wrong.

    "Name ends with" works great.


    on the other hand, if the search query started on a word boundary,
    e.g., 'cardio', then it will find cardiology but not any of the others.
    you'd have to do multiple searches for each one, hopefully not
    forgetting any of them.

    it doesn't search
    everywhere.

    It does... ...if you ask it to.

    not where it hasn't indexed.

    It indexes everywhere.


    the index can silently corrupt.

    Anything can.

    true, except that spotlight relies on an index, and if it's corrupted,
    it's not going to work particularly well.

    And the gain is that searches are nearly instantaneous.

    Tradeoffs.
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  • From Snit@Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage on Friday, May 07, 2021 00:49:41
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    Ant <ant@zimage.comREMOVETHIS1ST> wrote:
    Hello.

    I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365
    v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
    Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD. It doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing them in Finder's Documents.

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)


    I have had issues looking for content in Pages files. Have even reset the index.

    If you find an answer please share. I will as well.

    --
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    cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
    somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From ant@ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage on Thursday, May 06, 2021 20:30:57
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    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716 is the answer and fix from my https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252741130 forum thread! :D


    In comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage Ant <ant@zimage.comremovethis1st> wrote:
    Hello.

    I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365
    v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
    Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD. It doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing them in Finder's Documents.

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

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  • From David Ritz@dritz@mindspring.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, May 06, 2021 20:47:27
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    On Thursday, 06 May 2021 15:49 -0500,
    in article <OcydnQDfx-vMywn9nZ2dnUU7-SfNnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
    Ant <ant@zimage.comREMOVETHIS1ST> wrote:

    Hello.

    I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365
    v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
    Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD.
    It doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing
    them in Finder's Documents.

    As you know the name of the file, try performing a Spotlight search
    formatted thusly:

    name:$STRING

    When asked whether you wish to search for files matching the name, you
    should have better luck.

    It feels like Spotlight will first attempt to match strings indexed in
    file content. Office files contain an enormous amount of often
    extraneous crud.

    - --
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    Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage,comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, May 07, 2021 04:19:19
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    On May 6, 2021 at 2:47:56 PM MST, "Alan Baker" wrote <s71o6c$4nv$3@dont-email.me>:

    On 2021-05-06 2:46 p.m., nospam wrote:
    In article <OcydnQDfx-vMywn9nZ2dnUU7-SfNnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
    <ant@zimage.comREMOVETHIS1ST> wrote:

    I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365
    v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
    Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD. It
    doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing them in
    Finder's Documents.

    totally normal. spotlight is not great at finding stuff.

    Actually, Spotlight is EXCELLENT at finding stuff.

    It generally is -- but I have been having an issue where it does not find content in Pages. Any ideas? I have checked to make sure they are set to be indexed in the Spotlight preference panel.

    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
    superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.


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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage on Friday, May 07, 2021 18:31:27
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    In message <060520211806506328%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <s71o6c$4nv$3@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365
    v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
    Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD. It
    doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing them in
    Finder's Documents.

    totally normal. spotlight is not great at finding stuff.

    Actually, Spotlight is EXCELLENT at finding stuff.

    actually it's not.

    Disagree. I use it every day.

    for example, it fails miserably with partial matches. it doesn't search everywhere. the index can silently corrupt.

    It searches everywhere if you tell it to search everywhere. It does well
    with partial matches, and I've never had the index corrupt,. or not for
    many years.

    I mostly use mdfind from the command line.

    The biggest issue, but it has nothing to do with Spotlight per se is
    finding things stored in iCloud.

    --
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    Dad: War, death, famine and pestilence.
    Kid 2: You forgot flatulence!
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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage on Friday, May 07, 2021 18:41:51
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    In message <060520211841190470%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    consider a bunch of documents and/or folders of medical specialties,
    such as toxicology, cardiology, physiology, anesthesiology, oncology, dermatology, radiology, neurology, and ophthalmology.

    you want to find all of them, so you search for common letters, in this
    case, 'ology'.

    mdfind ology -onlyin ~ | wc -l
    43
    grep ology ~/Documents/newsposts/20160130-100600.news
    for example, let's say you want to find items such as psychology,
    biology, oncology and physiology, so you search on 'ology' because
    however, if you want to find items such as psychology and psychiatry
    find files containing "biology" and "psychology" that way. Restrictive
    --- Biology psychology oncology physiology
    --- Biology or psychology or oncology or physiology
    And neither search would find sociology.

    ***END

    Seems like you may have made this same flawed argument in the past (I did not check the entire message, maybe it wasn't you.

    since the query does not begin on a word boundary, the search results
    will not be particularly helpful, as in none.

    But as you can see, you are wrong.

    it doesn't search
    everywhere.

    It does... ...if you ask it to.

    not where it hasn't indexed.

    Oh, that's just dumb. Yes, of course it will not search in places you have *specifically* told it it cannot search.

    --
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    near the place.
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  • From nospam@nospam@nospam.invalid to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage on Friday, May 07, 2021 20:33:54
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <s71s99$cd$1@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker
    <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365 >>>>>> v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and >>>>>> Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD. It >>>>>> doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing them in >>>>>> Finder's Documents.

    totally normal. spotlight is not great at finding stuff.

    Actually, Spotlight is EXCELLENT at finding stuff.

    actually it's not.

    for example, it fails miserably with partial matches.

    Give an example...

    consider a bunch of documents and/or folders of medical specialties,
    such as toxicology, cardiology, physiology, anesthesiology, oncology, dermatology, radiology, neurology, and ophthalmology.

    you want to find all of them, so you search for common letters, in this case, 'ology'.

    since the query does not begin on a word boundary, the search results
    will not be particularly helpful, as in none.

    Sorry, but you're wrong.

    the above example works exactly as i described. i tested it prior to
    posting.

    it's a very simple search that should not fail.

    try the same set of words in bbedit. a search for 'ology' will find all
    of them. if you search for 'col', it will find only toxicology and
    oncology. both exactly as expected

    "Name ends with" works great.

    additional steps that should not be needed.

    on the other hand, if the search query started on a word boundary,
    e.g., 'cardio', then it will find cardiology but not any of the others. you'd have to do multiple searches for each one, hopefully not
    forgetting any of them.

    it doesn't search
    everywhere.

    It does... ...if you ask it to.

    not where it hasn't indexed.

    It indexes everywhere.

    no it doesn't.

    the index can silently corrupt.

    Anything can.

    true, except that spotlight relies on an index, and if it's corrupted,
    it's not going to work particularly well.

    And the gain is that searches are nearly instantaneous.

    other alternatives are also nearly instantaneous, but more importantly,
    they are more reliable.

    Tradeoffs.

    reliability should never be traded off.

    you also snipped the part where i mentioned about the index being
    silently corrupted, which turned out to be the cause of ant's problem.
    he's not the only one who has had that happen.
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  • From nospam@nospam@nospam.invalid to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage on Friday, May 07, 2021 20:33:55
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    In article <slrns9b2fe.231d.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    consider a bunch of documents and/or folders of medical specialties,
    such as toxicology, cardiology, physiology, anesthesiology, oncology, dermatology, radiology, neurology, and ophthalmology.

    you want to find all of them, so you search for common letters, in this case, 'ology'.

    mdfind ology -onlyin ~ | wc -l
    43
    grep ology ~/Documents/newsposts/20160130-100600.news
    for example, let's say you want to find items such as psychology,
    biology, oncology and physiology, so you search on 'ology' because
    however, if you want to find items such as psychology and psychiatry
    find files containing "biology" and "psychology" that way. Restrictive
    --- Biology psychology oncology physiology
    --- Biology or psychology or oncology or physiology
    And neither search would find sociology.

    ***END

    Seems like you may have made this same flawed argument in the past (I did not check the entire message, maybe it wasn't you.

    i'm referring to the command-space version, which is what just about
    everyone uses, not the command line.
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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage on Saturday, May 08, 2021 02:33:22
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    In message <070520212033557094%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <slrns9b2fe.231d.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    consider a bunch of documents and/or folders of medical specialties,
    such as toxicology, cardiology, physiology, anesthesiology, oncology,
    dermatology, radiology, neurology, and ophthalmology.

    you want to find all of them, so you search for common letters, in this
    case, 'ology'.

    mdfind ology -onlyin ~ | wc -l
    43
    grep ology ~/Documents/newsposts/20160130-100600.news
    for example, let's say you want to find items such as psychology,
    biology, oncology and physiology, so you search on 'ology' because
    however, if you want to find items such as psychology and psychiatry
    find files containing "biology" and "psychology" that way. Restrictive
    --- Biology psychology oncology physiology
    --- Biology or psychology or oncology or physiology
    And neither search would find sociology.

    ***END

    Seems like you may have made this same flawed argument in the past (I did not
    check the entire message, maybe it wasn't you.

    i'm referring to the command-space version, which is what just about
    everyone uses, not the command line.

    They are the same tool.

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  • From Alan Baker@notonyourlife@no.no.no.no to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage on Friday, May 07, 2021 19:47:42
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021-05-07 5:33 p.m., nospam wrote:
    In article <s71s99$cd$1@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    I was searching "culture" (without quotation marks) for Office 365 >>>>>>>> v16.48's Office filenames, but macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and >>>>>>>> Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD. It >>>>>>>> doesn't show all of the files that I see when manually listing them in >>>>>>>> Finder's Documents.

    totally normal. spotlight is not great at finding stuff.

    Actually, Spotlight is EXCELLENT at finding stuff.

    actually it's not.

    for example, it fails miserably with partial matches.

    Give an example...

    consider a bunch of documents and/or folders of medical specialties,
    such as toxicology, cardiology, physiology, anesthesiology, oncology,
    dermatology, radiology, neurology, and ophthalmology.

    you want to find all of them, so you search for common letters, in this
    case, 'ology'.

    since the query does not begin on a word boundary, the search results
    will not be particularly helpful, as in none.

    Sorry, but you're wrong.

    the above example works exactly as i described. i tested it prior to
    posting.

    it's a very simple search that should not fail.

    try the same set of words in bbedit. a search for 'ology' will find all
    of them. if you search for 'col', it will find only toxicology and
    oncology. both exactly as expected

    "Name ends with" works great.

    additional steps that should not be needed.

    So you're admitting you can search successfully for what you claimed
    could be searched for at all.


    on the other hand, if the search query started on a word boundary,
    e.g., 'cardio', then it will find cardiology but not any of the others.
    you'd have to do multiple searches for each one, hopefully not
    forgetting any of them.

    it doesn't search
    everywhere.

    It does... ...if you ask it to.

    not where it hasn't indexed.

    It indexes everywhere.

    no it doesn't.

    Where does it not index?


    the index can silently corrupt.

    Anything can.

    true, except that spotlight relies on an index, and if it's corrupted,
    it's not going to work particularly well.

    And the gain is that searches are nearly instantaneous.

    other alternatives are also nearly instantaneous, but more importantly,
    they are more reliable.

    So you claim...

    ...but you also claimed something was impossible that you now admit is possible.


    Tradeoffs.

    reliability should never be traded off.

    you also snipped the part where i mentioned about the index being
    silently corrupted, which turned out to be the cause of ant's problem.
    he's not the only one who has had that happen.


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  • From Alan Baker@notonyourlife@no.no.no.no to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage on Friday, May 07, 2021 19:48:15
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021-05-07 5:33 p.m., nospam wrote:
    In article <slrns9b2fe.231d.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    consider a bunch of documents and/or folders of medical specialties,
    such as toxicology, cardiology, physiology, anesthesiology, oncology,
    dermatology, radiology, neurology, and ophthalmology.

    you want to find all of them, so you search for common letters, in this
    case, 'ology'.

    mdfind ology -onlyin ~ | wc -l
    43
    grep ology ~/Documents/newsposts/20160130-100600.news
    for example, let's say you want to find items such as psychology,
    biology, oncology and physiology, so you search on 'ology' because
    however, if you want to find items such as psychology and psychiatry
    find files containing "biology" and "psychology" that way. Restrictive
    --- Biology psychology oncology physiology
    --- Biology or psychology or oncology or physiology
    And neither search would find sociology.

    ***END

    Seems like you may have made this same flawed argument in the past (I did not
    check the entire message, maybe it wasn't you.

    i'm referring to the command-space version, which is what just about
    everyone uses, not the command line.


    They are two interfaces to the same facility.
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  • From Fishrrman@Fishrrman2000@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, May 07, 2021 23:05:08
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 5/6/21 4:49 PM, Ant wrote:
    macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
    Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD

    I turned off spotlight a decade ago and haven't turned it on
    since.

    When I need to search for something, I use either EasyFind
    or Find Any File.

    Both are free.
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  • From Alan Baker@notonyourlife@no.no.no.no to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, May 07, 2021 20:08:02
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021-05-07 8:05 p.m., Fishrrman wrote:
    On 5/6/21 4:49 PM, Ant wrote:
    macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
    Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD

    I turned off spotlight a decade ago and haven't turned it on since.

    When I need to search for something, I use either EasyFind or Find Any
    File.

    Both are free.

    I bet both are a lot slower than Spotlight!

    :-)
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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage on Saturday, May 08, 2021 09:53:14
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <s74u5f$she$2@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
    On 2021-05-07 5:33 p.m., nospam wrote:
    In article <slrns9b2fe.231d.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis
    <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    consider a bunch of documents and/or folders of medical specialties,
    such as toxicology, cardiology, physiology, anesthesiology, oncology,
    dermatology, radiology, neurology, and ophthalmology.

    you want to find all of them, so you search for common letters, in this >>>> case, 'ology'.

    mdfind ology -onlyin ~ | wc -l
    43
    grep ology ~/Documents/newsposts/20160130-100600.news
    for example, let's say you want to find items such as psychology,
    biology, oncology and physiology, so you search on 'ology' because
    however, if you want to find items such as psychology and psychiatry
    find files containing "biology" and "psychology" that way. Restrictive
    --- Biology psychology oncology physiology
    --- Biology or psychology or oncology or physiology
    And neither search would find sociology.

    ***END

    Seems like you may have made this same flawed argument in the past (I did not
    check the entire message, maybe it wasn't you.

    i'm referring to the command-space version, which is what just about
    everyone uses, not the command line.


    They are two interfaces to the same facility.

    and searching for "ology" brings up the same items, and the same news
    archive post from 2016.

    --
    "Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
    "Well, I think so, Brain, but pantyhose are so uncomfortable in the
    summertime."
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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, May 08, 2021 09:54:35
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <s74v54$ct1$1@dont-email.me> Fishrrman <Fishrrman2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 5/6/21 4:49 PM, Ant wrote:
    macOS Big Sur v11.3.1's Finder and
    Spotlight doesn't find them in a 13" 2012 Intel MacBook Pro's SSD

    I turned off spotlight a decade ago and haven't turned it on
    since.

    When I need to search for something, I use either EasyFind
    or Find Any File.

    Orders of magnitude slower.

    --
    "Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
    "I think so, Brain, but if we get Sam Spade, we'll never have any
    puppies."
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  • From nospam@nospam@nospam.invalid to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage on Saturday, May 08, 2021 13:39:52
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <s74u5f$she$2@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker
    <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:


    i'm referring to the command-space version, which is what just about everyone uses, not the command line.


    They are two interfaces to the same facility.

    yet they produce different results.

    that is a significant failure.
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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage on Saturday, May 08, 2021 17:50:13
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <080520211339526923%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <s74u5f$she$2@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:


    i'm referring to the command-space version, which is what just about
    everyone uses, not the command line.


    They are two interfaces to the same facility.

    yet they produce different results.

    Not on my system they don't.

    --
    I collect blondes and bottles. ~Marlowe
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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage on Saturday, May 08, 2021 23:24:14
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <s76opn$jsp$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
    On 2021-05-08 10:39 a.m., nospam wrote:
    In article <s74u5f$she$2@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker
    <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:


    i'm referring to the command-space version, which is what just about
    everyone uses, not the command line.


    They are two interfaces to the same facility.

    yet they produce different results.

    When using different queries, yes.

    mdfind does include system file by default, where the GUI you have to
    enable that. Perhaps that is what nospam is thinking of?

    that is a significant failure.

    It's not a failure at all.

    It's called revealing an appropriate level of complexity.


    Command-space reveals one level.

    Finder search a more complete level.

    mdfind at the command line is fully complete

    That's about right. Of course, if you learnt he query language mdfind
    can slice and dice you results down to a very find grain

    (find files containing 'ology' that are PDFs that were created in June
    or July of 2014 ONLY if their file names do not contain "2014").

    --
    Today the road all runners come/Shoulder high we bring you home. And
    set you at your threshold down/Townsman of a stiller town.
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