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In article <g31sa.713095$S_4.748857@rwcrnsc53>, hal <nope@nada.com>
wrote:

I'm just curious but where are the?

1) TV tuner cards and drivers?

Not sure. Contact the manufacturers.

2) Umax scanner drivers? (from Umax, not shareware)

Screw Umax. Epson Scanners, and their software UI rule.

3) system level joystick drivers like gamesprockets?

In there. Deal with your joystick manufacturer for the driver.

4) norton utilites (native boot CD into X not 9)

Here. SystemWorks 3 and NU8.

5) quicktime optimizations? (encoding, even w/ G4, takes forever with
almost every codec!!!

Agree, but limiting your other processes speeds things up.

6) energy saver settings!!! Still no scheduled startup and shutdown!?!
sure would love a timer for logout. say 15 minutes of no usage or
something.

In Panther! Woohoo! All the basic OS9 Energy Saver things are in there.

7) battery usage in my PowerBook G3 (pismo) is horrendous. 2.5 hours or
so under X, nearly 4 under 9.

Agreed, although 10.2.6 upped my battery life from 2.5 or so to 4.25.

6) Great programs from Apple for the average home user?????

- home user doesn't need $1000 video editing program
- imovie is great but i want to work with more than digital video
without having to convert other formats first.

FCExpress - 'nuff said.

- where is the ground up re-write of applworks? this program needs a rewrite from the ground up with optimizations, UI cleanup, and improved feature set.

Agreed. OpenOffice works well also.

- itunes is great but a far cry from what soundjam would have been by
now with continued development.

Nah - iT4 is fantastic, as is the iTMS.

- ical sucks. I just don't see the point of it. I can't seem to
find any way of synching my powerbook and g4 tower to have the same
calendar short of copying it over. Also, now up to date has a way
better interface/feature set.

Neither works well for me IMO. Although iCal shows promise, it needs
more features (groups, and sub-groups.)

- isync. fine I guess, if you are a .mac user. The rest of us can't back up our files automatically.

Agreed. It should allow local backups to other volumes. DejaVu works
well for me.

- safari and mail, while OK, underwhelming in their lack of preferences/configuration. (having to tell mail to delete and then
delete again for instance.)

Entourage user here. I'm assuming that's a preference setting in Mail,
and if it's not it should be. Have to check the Panther Mail app.

OS X UI gripes:

- why is every damn window, these days so large and bulky? seems
every download manager type window is way oversized and just bulky.
Lots of wasted screenspace in ten.

Getting bigger in Panther! Brushed metal appearance. You can grab the
sides of the windows and move them though!

- still just sluggish. i've gotten pretty used to ten by now but try using 9.2 for a day or two and you'll really appreciate how snappy it is.

Must be your installation. Every time I have to run OS9 I'm reminded
how ugly the interface really is compared to Aqua.

- how many times have I grabbed say 20 text or picture files to drop onto a dock icon to only have it move away at the last second so that I
then have to hand remove 20 or more document files from the dock. ugh,
I did this the other day with 112 files. Talk about an excercise in patience.

You must be moving your files too close to the trash, which has the
area for folders and files. To the left of that divider line is the
apps section. Dragging my files there (where the apps are) never moves
them.

- I STILL (after 3 years) have to look all over the damn system
preferences file for the panel I want. I truly miss my simple
alphabetized control panels folder.

Set it - it's a view preference. Doh.

- along that line, i miss my apple menu terribly. the dock just
doesn't even come close.

You're right - it far exceeds the Apple Menu. Sorry you miss the old
Apple Menu.

- I still don't get why clicking on the clock for the date leaves a
damn menu hanging there. This pointlessly requires another click to
close. So, i never use it. another lost feature.

Hmm - nevver noticed. I always run my mouse along the menu bar, which
closes the time/date window automatically. You're right, it should go
away after 5 or 10 seconds.

- spinning rainbow wheel. multitasking? 'nuff said.

Yep- processes. Try using Terminal top once in a while and see. In
Panther there is an "Active Applications" utility that does a nice job
showing what's running.

New Finder in Panther!! Faster - by magnitudes...

- why does the damn installer require so many clicks!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?

9+ to start a system installation!?!

do you want to install? yes.
are you sure? ys.
really sure? "..."
do you agree to install? still, yes.
what disk? ugh.
are you sure that disk? yes, motherf***er!
etc.

One word: Lawyers. Joking.

forget it. why does a system update require me to pick the disk to
install on to when i only have one disk with X on it? ridiculous.

A sign of things to come down the pike.

- restart, shut down, log out.

restart - "are you sure you want to restart?" well, I just selected it didn't I?

same for other two.

Hold the option key to dismiss the dialog box before it shows. The menu
will change to the "Restart..." to tell you.

- Modifier keys for every damn thing these days. I'm getting carpal
tunnel just from having to hold down command-option-shift-tab-period to
do just about everything these days.

- Print center thingy. don't get me started here.

Works fine here. Even with 6 printers at work to choose from. Two
running GIMP-print.

and my biggest gripe. I am sick and freakin' tired of having to enter
my system password to do just about everything in os x. For cryin' out loud. Every install, every utility, every damn thing. It's repetitive
and annoying. make it stop!!!! If I'm logged in as admin, OS X should
know that and quick Fuc**ng asking me already.

(ATTN UNIX GEEKS: save it. I get it. permissions. security. got it. multiple users. root. got it. OS X should get it too. Former OS 6-9
users shouldn't have to get it.)

Yes they should. Most do, and most understand.

These are just off the top of my head. given the time I could probably
find about 100 more things that just don't feel right.

oh well, had to get it out. hadn't bitched in a while. it doesn't
matter. apple won't listen. 5000 people will tell me 20000 ways in
which i'm wrong and apple is right. the rest will just flame me for bitching/whining or whatever they want to call it when someone (other
then them) complains these days.

Apple's Website.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/

I welcome any reasoned responses.

JB

Yeah, seems like you're just fed up. I was also with 10.1, and 10.1.5.
Jaguar helped, but Panther seems much better, even the Developer
Release. So far no problems with Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Entourage, VectorWorks, MacDraft, Freehand, DreamWeaver, Illustrator, Acrobat.
Photoshop is wacked under Panther though - but that'll be worked out
before it goes public.
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On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 18:54:44 -1000, Li Hing Mui <li@hingmui.com>
wrote:

In article <g31sa.713095$S_4.748857@rwcrnsc53>, hal <nope@nada.com>
wrote:

I'm just curious but where are the?

1) TV tuner cards and drivers?

Not sure. Contact the manufacturers.

2) Umax scanner drivers? (from Umax, not shareware)

Screw Umax. Epson Scanners, and their software UI rule.

3) system level joystick drivers like gamesprockets?

In there. Deal with your joystick manufacturer for the driver.

4) norton utilites (native boot CD into X not 9)

Here. SystemWorks 3 and NU8.

5) quicktime optimizations? (encoding, even w/ G4, takes forever with
almost every codec!!!

Agree, but limiting your other processes speeds things up.

6) energy saver settings!!! Still no scheduled startup and shutdown!?!
sure would love a timer for logout. say 15 minutes of no usage or
something.

In Panther! Woohoo! All the basic OS9 Energy Saver things are in there.

7) battery usage in my PowerBook G3 (pismo) is horrendous. 2.5 hours or
so under X, nearly 4 under 9.

Agreed, although 10.2.6 upped my battery life from 2.5 or so to 4.25.

6) Great programs from Apple for the average home user?????

- home user doesn't need $1000 video editing program
- imovie is great but i want to work with more than digital video
without having to convert other formats first.

FCExpress - 'nuff said.

- where is the ground up re-write of applworks? this program needs a
rewrite from the ground up with optimizations, UI cleanup, and improved
feature set.

Agreed. OpenOffice works well also.

- itunes is great but a far cry from what soundjam would have been by
now with continued development.

Nah - iT4 is fantastic, as is the iTMS.

- ical sucks. I just don't see the point of it. I can't seem to
find any way of synching my powerbook and g4 tower to have the same
calendar short of copying it over. Also, now up to date has a way
better interface/feature set.

Neither works well for me IMO. Although iCal shows promise, it needs
more features (groups, and sub-groups.)

- isync. fine I guess, if you are a .mac user. The rest of us can't
back up our files automatically.

Agreed. It should allow local backups to other volumes. DejaVu works
well for me.

- safari and mail, while OK, underwhelming in their lack of
preferences/configuration. (having to tell mail to delete and then
delete again for instance.)

Entourage user here. I'm assuming that's a preference setting in Mail,
and if it's not it should be. Have to check the Panther Mail app.

OS X UI gripes:

- why is every damn window, these days so large and bulky? seems
every download manager type window is way oversized and just bulky.
Lots of wasted screenspace in ten.

Getting bigger in Panther! Brushed metal appearance. You can grab the
sides of the windows and move them though!

- still just sluggish. i've gotten pretty used to ten by now but try
using 9.2 for a day or two and you'll really appreciate how snappy it is. >Must be your installation. Every time I have to run OS9 I'm reminded

how ugly the interface really is compared to Aqua.

- how many times have I grabbed say 20 text or picture files to drop
onto a dock icon to only have it move away at the last second so that I
then have to hand remove 20 or more document files from the dock. ugh,
I did this the other day with 112 files. Talk about an excercise in
patience.

You must be moving your files too close to the trash, which has the
area for folders and files. To the left of that divider line is the
apps section. Dragging my files there (where the apps are) never moves
them.

- I STILL (after 3 years) have to look all over the damn system
preferences file for the panel I want. I truly miss my simple
alphabetized control panels folder.

Set it - it's a view preference. Doh.

- along that line, i miss my apple menu terribly. the dock just
doesn't even come close.

You're right - it far exceeds the Apple Menu. Sorry you miss the old
Apple Menu.

- I still don't get why clicking on the clock for the date leaves a
damn menu hanging there. This pointlessly requires another click to
close. So, i never use it. another lost feature.

Hmm - nevver noticed. I always run my mouse along the menu bar, which
closes the time/date window automatically. You're right, it should go
away after 5 or 10 seconds.

- spinning rainbow wheel. multitasking? 'nuff said.

Yep- processes. Try using Terminal top once in a while and see. In
Panther there is an "Active Applications" utility that does a nice job >showing what's running.

New Finder in Panther!! Faster - by magnitudes...

- why does the damn installer require so many clicks!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?

9+ to start a system installation!?!

do you want to install? yes.
are you sure? ys.
really sure? "..."
do you agree to install? still, yes.
what disk? ugh.
are you sure that disk? yes, motherf***er!
etc.

One word: Lawyers. Joking.

forget it. why does a system update require me to pick the disk to
install on to when i only have one disk with X on it? ridiculous.

A sign of things to come down the pike.

- restart, shut down, log out.

restart - "are you sure you want to restart?" well, I just selected it
didn't I?

same for other two.

Hold the option key to dismiss the dialog box before it shows. The menu
will change to the "Restart..." to tell you.

- Modifier keys for every damn thing these days. I'm getting carpal
tunnel just from having to hold down command-option-shift-tab-period to
do just about everything these days.

- Print center thingy. don't get me started here.

Works fine here. Even with 6 printers at work to choose from. Two
running GIMP-print.

and my biggest gripe. I am sick and freakin' tired of having to enter
my system password to do just about everything in os x. For cryin' out
loud. Every install, every utility, every damn thing. It's repetitive
and annoying. make it stop!!!! If I'm logged in as admin, OS X should
know that and quick Fuc**ng asking me already.

(ATTN UNIX GEEKS: save it. I get it. permissions. security. got it.
multiple users. root. got it. OS X should get it too. Former OS 6-9
users shouldn't have to get it.)

Yes they should. Most do, and most understand.

These are just off the top of my head. given the time I could probably
find about 100 more things that just don't feel right.

oh well, had to get it out. hadn't bitched in a while. it doesn't
matter. apple won't listen. 5000 people will tell me 20000 ways in
which i'm wrong and apple is right. the rest will just flame me for
bitching/whining or whatever they want to call it when someone (other
then them) complains these days.

Apple's Website.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/

I welcome any reasoned responses.

JB

Yeah, seems like you're just fed up. I was also with 10.1, and 10.1.5.
Jaguar helped, but Panther seems much better, even the Developer
Release. So far no problems with Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Entourage, >VectorWorks, MacDraft, Freehand, DreamWeaver, Illustrator, Acrobat.
Photoshop is wacked under Panther though - but that'll be worked out
before it goes public.

I agree about the PRINT CENTER "lacking"... I use a Laserjet 4MV and
when it works it works well but too often nothing prints...

also the FAX software is crud too! Coming from the PC - I expected
better FAX software (used Winfax PRO on PC) - just installed FaxSTF X
- will try it - older version sucked but they say this one is "new & improved"... I fax a lot daily and need good software - started
faxing from my PC as it's easier...

Passwords suck too as I'm the only one using the Mac (wife hates it).
I understand but should be a feature I can turn off

ALSO - the backup stuff is crap too - have never SUCCESSFULLY
backed up OS X with CCC and had the new drive boot up? What's the
secret - have read all the info and even had tips from their site but
no luck on that one - WHERE'S APPLES KILLER BACK-UP??? They should
include such a beast.

AND OS 9 is much faster than OS X - no comparison - anyone saying
different is a fool. I know it's all the Eye Candy...
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Li Hing Mui wrote:

In article <g31sa.713095$S_4.748857@rwcrnsc53>, hal <nope@nada.com>
wrote:

I'm just curious but where are the?

<snip>

4) norton utilites (native boot CD into X not 9)

Here. SystemWorks 3 and NU8.

And if you use it, you deserve what you get.

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italiano wrote:

I agree about the PRINT CENTER "lacking"... I use a Laserjet 4MV and
when it works it works well but too often nothing prints...

Yeah, I have trouble with printing. But I don't
quote six screenfuls of unrelated stuff to say so.

AND OS 9 is much faster than OS X - no comparison - anyone saying
different is a fool. I know it's all the Eye Candy...

Or maybe the person saying different is accurately
reporting what they've actually observed or maybe
even measured. Or maybe they're just lying.

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