• Question about Mac Mini as server

    From JF Mezei@jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, May 16, 2021 00:32:31
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Say I were to buy a Mac Mini (m1) as a server.

    Does anyone have experience running it as a headless server?

    Right now, my Xserve has IPMI for lights out management (tune on and off
    etc). Newer mac don't have that. So I know I lose that.
    First time it boots, can one gets its IP from a DHCP server, and use
    screen sharing to get its display and do the initial config this way?



    I know I need to manually install Apache (web), Postfix (mail), Dovecot,
    Bind, OpenSSL. (and telnet, ftp, tftp to make it a unix machine), dhcp
    server etc.

    Does Big Sur still support AFP file transfers or only down to SMB now?



    The low power of M1 is attractive, but having to fight "Mac OS" to make
    it into server is less and less attractive. If Big Sur doesn't even
    support AFP, then a Linux box starts to be easier to deploy as a server.
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  • From Alan Browne@bitbucket@blackhole.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, May 16, 2021 08:05:07
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021-05-16 00:32, JF Mezei wrote:
    Say I were to buy a Mac Mini (m1) as a server.

    Does anyone have experience running it as a headless server?

    Right now, my Xserve has IPMI for lights out management (tune on and off etc). Newer mac don't have that. So I know I lose that.
    First time it boots, can one gets its IP from a DHCP server, and use
    screen sharing to get its display and do the initial config this way?



    I know I need to manually install Apache (web), Postfix (mail), Dovecot, Bind, OpenSSL. (and telnet, ftp, tftp to make it a unix machine), dhcp
    server etc.

    It already is a Unix machine.


    Does Big Sur still support AFP file transfers or only down to SMB now?

    Haven't kept up your Google Search payments?




    The low power of M1 is attractive, but having to fight "Mac OS" to make
    it into server is less and less attractive. If Big Sur doesn't even
    support AFP, then a Linux box starts to be easier to deploy as a server.


    You would probably need to configure basic things with a monitor
    attached and turn on things like screensharing. Once all set up, you
    could plug in a HDMI emulator dongle and do your session from another
    Mac if not using SSH.

    It's probably much more cost effective to go with Linux. I don't know
    how powerful a machine you would need, but likely a used intel i5 would
    do the job well enough. And for half of the year, at least, there is no energy cost at all.

    --
    "...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
    man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
    -Samuel Clemens
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  • From Percival John Hackworth@pjh@nanoworks.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, May 16, 2021 19:39:28
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    On 16-May-2021 at 5:05:07AM PDT, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
    wrote:

    On 2021-05-16 00:32, JF Mezei wrote:
    Say I were to buy a Mac Mini (m1) as a server.

    Does anyone have experience running it as a headless server?

    Right now, my Xserve has IPMI for lights out management (tune on and off
    etc). Newer mac don't have that. So I know I lose that.
    First time it boots, can one gets its IP from a DHCP server, and use
    screen sharing to get its display and do the initial config this way?



    I know I need to manually install Apache (web), Postfix (mail), Dovecot,
    Bind, OpenSSL. (and telnet, ftp, tftp to make it a unix machine), dhcp
    server etc.

    It already is a Unix machine.


    Does Big Sur still support AFP file transfers or only down to SMB now?

    Haven't kept up your Google Search payments?




    The low power of M1 is attractive, but having to fight "Mac OS" to make
    it into server is less and less attractive. If Big Sur doesn't even
    support AFP, then a Linux box starts to be easier to deploy as a server.


    You would probably need to configure basic things with a monitor
    attached and turn on things like screensharing. Once all set up, you
    could plug in a HDMI emulator dongle and do your session from another
    Mac if not using SSH.

    It's probably much more cost effective to go with Linux. I don't know
    how powerful a machine you would need, but likely a used intel i5 would
    do the job well enough. And for half of the year, at least, there is no energy cost at all.

    I have a laptop that I keep up and running so I can update apps and stuff on
    it at the same time as my MacPro desktop.

    I have noticed that when I reboot the laptop, I can't ssh into it until I
    login on it from the keyboard. I can ping it but various services I'd expect
    to be running don't allow me to connect. There must be something to configure or install (Server perhaps?) that allows the system to run headless without someone logged in on the keyboard.

    --
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  • From JF Mezei@jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, May 16, 2021 16:19:28
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021-05-16 08:05, Alan Browne wrote:

    It already is a Unix machine.

    OS-X has removed many Unix utilities over past few years, utilities
    needed to manage routers and such (telnet, ftp, tftp etc).


    Haven't kept up your Google Search payments?

    Some say it is still there. However, I just recalled that AFP cannot
    serve APFS columes, only HFS+ so if the server goes with APFS, AFP would
    be out whether it is still there or not.


    It's probably much more cost effective to go with Linux. I don't know
    how powerful a machine you would need, but likely a used intel i5 would
    do the job well enough. And for half of the year, at least, there is no energy cost at all.

    Not for me: heating included in appartment, so what I spend in
    electricity doesn't reduce heating costs.

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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, May 16, 2021 21:22:46
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <igdanfF3puhU1@mid.individual.net> Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> wrote:
    I have noticed that when I reboot the laptop, I can't ssh into it until I login on it from the keyboard. I can ping it but various services I'd expect to be running don't allow me to connect. There must be something to configure
    or install (Server perhaps?) that allows the system to run headless without someone logged in on the keyboard.

    There are ways to do this, of course. There is an entire company that
    does nothing but host headless mac Mini servers (MacStadium)

    --
    "Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
    "Um, I think so, Brainie, but why would anyone want to Pierce
    Brosnan?"
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  • From David Ritz@dritz@mindspring.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, May 16, 2021 18:47:23
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Sunday, 16 May 2021 16:19 -0400,
    in article <k7foI.404943$2N3.119149@fx33.iad>,
    JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

    On 2021-05-16 08:05, Alan Browne wrote:

    It already is a Unix machine.

    OS-X ...

    While you may refer to macOS 10, as OS-X, Apple does not and never
    has. The Mac OS X ("Mac OS Ten") was renamed macOS X (ten). The
    current macOS is macOS 11.x.x.

    ... has removed many Unix utilities over past few years, utilities
    needed to manage routers and such (telnet, ftp, tftp etc).

    Telnet is deprecated, as insecure. Use ssh for secure login remotely.

    % grep \ 23/ /etc/services
    telnet 23/udp # Telnet
    telnet 23/tcp # Telnet

    % grep ^ssh\ /etc/services
    ssh 22/udp # SSH Remote Login Protocol
    ssh 22/tcp # SSH Remote Login Protocol

    As with telnet, FTP is deprecated, for the same reason, sftp and tftp
    are installed by default, in macOS 11. I so not miss the command-line
    ftp client.

    % where sftp
    /usr/bin/sftp

    % where tftp
    /usr/bin/tftp

    Secure copy can also be used to transfer files.

    % where scp
    /usr/bin/scp

    All macOS versions 10.5 and greater are UNIX 03 certified.

    Feel free to install all the deprecated CLI utilities you want.

    --
    David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
    Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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  • From Dr Eberhard Lisse@nospam@lisse.NA to comp.sys.mac.system on Monday, May 17, 2021 14:52:58
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Not a big drama,

    On 16/05/2021 06:32, JF Mezei wrote:
    [...]
    I know I need to manually install Apache (web), Postfix (mail),
    Dovecot, Bind, OpenSSL. (and telnet, ftp, tftp to make it a unix
    machine), dhcp server etc.
    [...]
    It comes with Apache, Postfix, OpenSSL, telnet, ftp and tftp already,
    and most certainly with SSH. Bind and DHCP are easily installable with Homebrew.

    It also comes with VNC so you should even be able to log in with a GUI,
    but I have never tried this without a screen attached.

    I recall vaguely some form of rack where you could put several minis
    and even link them together somehow.


    el


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  • From Dr Eberhard Lisse@nospam@lisse.NA to comp.sys.mac.system on Monday, May 17, 2021 14:57:06
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Homebrew is your friend.

    On Big Sur I have telnet from Homebrew and only use NCFTP even if I have
    the stock FPT. On Big Sur TFTP is on /usr/bin so it's stock.

    el

    On 16/05/2021 22:19, JF Mezei wrote:
    On 2021-05-16 08:05, Alan Browne wrote:
    [...]
    OS-X has removed many Unix utilities over past few years, utilities
    needed to manage routers and such (telnet, ftp, tftp etc).
    [...]

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  • From Dr Eberhard Lisse@nospam@lisse.NA to comp.sys.mac.system on Monday, May 17, 2021 15:00:30
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    He wrote that he needs to manage routers. If a router has SSH it's of
    course much safer to use that, but I don't think many do and most
    certainly not older ones.

    el

    On 17/05/2021 01:47, David Ritz wrote:
    On Sunday, 16 May 2021 16:19 -0400,
    in article <k7foI.404943$2N3.119149@fx33.iad>,
    JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
    [...]>> ... has removed many Unix utilities over past few years, utilities
    needed to manage routers and such (telnet, ftp, tftp etc).

    Telnet is deprecated, as insecure. Use ssh for secure login remotely.
    [...]
    As with telnet, FTP is deprecated, for the same reason, sftp and tftp
    are installed by default, in macOS 11. I so not miss the command-line
    ftp client.
    [...]


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  • From Alan Baker@notonyourlife@no.no.no.no to comp.sys.mac.system on Monday, May 17, 2021 07:49:32
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021-05-16 1:19 p.m., JF Mezei wrote:
    On 2021-05-16 08:05, Alan Browne wrote:

    It already is a Unix machine.

    OS-X has removed many Unix utilities over past few years, utilities
    needed to manage routers and such (telnet

    Got telnet on mine...

    , ftp,

    Nope... ...but it's trivially obtainable.

    So beyond you of course.

    tftp etc).

    Got it.
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  • From bje@bje@ripco.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Monday, May 17, 2021 14:58:17
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    Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    Got telnet on mine...



    Apple removed it in High Sierra.

    So unless you are running something earlier, at some point you copied it over from another version or installed the home brew one.

    Random google search...

    https://osxdaily.com/2018/07/18/get-telnet-macos/

    -bruce
    bje@ripco.com
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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Monday, May 17, 2021 18:14:12
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <igf79dFeu16U1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
    Not a big drama,

    On 16/05/2021 06:32, JF Mezei wrote:
    [...]
    I know I need to manually install Apache (web), Postfix (mail),
    Dovecot, Bind, OpenSSL. (and telnet, ftp, tftp to make it a unix
    machine), dhcp server etc.
    [...]
    It comes with Apache, Postfix, OpenSSL, telnet, ftp and tftp already,
    and most certainly with SSH. Bind and DHCP are easily installable with Homebrew.

    No, ftp and telnet are deprecated, are not installed by default in
    macOS, and hove absolutely nothing to do with whether a system is Unix
    or not.

    It is usually to install the current postfix and apache if you are going
    to use those tools. Unbound is preferred for most uses over bind.

    It also comes with VNC so you should even be able to log in with a GUI,
    but I have never tried this without a screen attached.

    Works fine, but is "limited" to 1080p.

    I recall vaguely some form of rack where you could put several minis
    and even link them together somehow.

    There are many solutions.

    --
    If the Foo Fighters make another movie, I'll kill you myself.
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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Monday, May 17, 2021 18:22:19
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <s7tvpt$lqr$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
    On 2021-05-16 1:19 p.m., JF Mezei wrote:
    On 2021-05-16 08:05, Alan Browne wrote:

    It already is a Unix machine.

    OS-X has removed many Unix utilities over past few years, utilities
    needed to manage routers and such (telnet

    Got telnet on mine...

    Either you are not on a current (or even current-ish) macOS version or
    you installed it yourself.

    tftp etc).

    Got it.

    To be clear, ftp and tftp are different things. tftp (trivial FTP or
    also called tiny FTP) is much more limited in what it can do than ftp.
    For example, tftp does not support logins at all. The base protocol is
    also very limited in the size of data files it can transfer, though this
    is not usually a problem with modern implementations that support TFTP Blocksize.

    --
    Some humans would do anything to see if it was possible to do it. If
    you put a large switch in some cave somewhere, with a sign on it
    saying "End-of-the-World Switch. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH," the paint
    wouldn't even have time to dry.
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  • From Dr Eberhard W Lisse@nospam@lisse.NA to comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, May 18, 2021 23:14:44
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021-05-17 20:14 , Lewis wrote:
    [...]
    No, ftp and telnet are deprecated, are not installed by default in
    macOS, and hove absolutely nothing to do with whether a system is Unix
    or not.

    In my subsequent message I stated that my telnet comes from homebrew and
    that I always use ncftp over ftp even if the latter is installed. So I
    can't care less. Never mind the deprecation, but for some routers,
    especially legacy ones you need it.

    I did not make any statements with regards to MacOs being unixish.

    It is usually to install the current postfix and apache if you are
    going to use those tools. Unbound is preferred for most uses over
    bind.

    Postfix comes with MacOs but may need turning SIP off and on to make it autostart or listen to the port.

    Apache comes with MacOs, but I have never even looked at running it.

    Unbound is only a recursive name server whereas bind can be
    authoritative and (bad idea) or recursive.

    Preference lies purely and absolutely in the eyes of the beholder and
    so I try and avoid running recursive name servers but several
    authoritative ones (all on linux though).

    It also comes with VNC so you should even be able to log in with a
    GUI, but I have never tried this without a screen attached.

    Works fine, but is "limited" to 1080p.

    And that contributes exactly what? I am sure whatever resolution
    whatever VNC implementation is sufficient to log in and to management
    tasks.

    I recall vaguely some form of rack where you could put several minis
    and even link them together somehow.

    There are many solutions.

    And I hoped you had plunked me as promised.

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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, May 18, 2021 22:04:22
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <igip26F5lshU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
    On 2021-05-17 20:14 , Lewis wrote:
    [...]
    No, ftp and telnet are deprecated, are not installed by default in
    macOS, and hove absolutely nothing to do with whether a system is Unix
    or not.

    In my subsequent message

    In the message I replied to you said your macOS version had telnet
    without specifying you'd installed it yourself. That would be misleading
    to someone who did not read your other message.

    I did not make any statements with regards to MacOs being unixish.

    Perhaps you should read the entire thread? And not snip relevant
    portions?

    Hint: posts are replies to the THREAD in mot cases, not to the
    individual. In short, get over yourself.

    It is usually to install the current postfix and apache if you are
    going to use those tools. Unbound is preferred for most uses over
    bind.

    Postfix comes with MacOs but may need turning SIP off and on to make it autostart or listen to the port.

    It is usual to install the CURRENT postfix and apache. Please read ALL
    THE WORDS.

    Apache comes with MacOs, but I have never even looked at running it.

    It is usual to install the CURRENT postfix and apache. Please read ALL
    THE WORDS.

    Unbound is only a recursive name server whereas bind can be
    authoritative and (bad idea) or recursive.

    Unbound is preferred for most uses over bind.

    Preference lies purely and absolutely in the eyes of the beholder

    No, unbound is technically preferred by anyone who knows what they are
    doing. You only run bind when you HAVE TO run bind.

    It also comes with VNC so you should even be able to log in with a
    GUI, but I have never tried this without a screen attached.

    Works fine, but is "limited" to 1080p.

    And that contributes exactly what? I am sure whatever resolution
    whatever VNC implementation is sufficient to log in and to management
    tasks.

    If you have a display larger than 1080p, you may wonder why you cannot
    make your shared screen fill your screen. People with 5K screens, for
    example.

    And I hoped you had plunked me as promised.

    Either I never said anything like that, or you have shifted your
    headers to evade killfiles.


    --
    what was supposed to be so special about a full moon? It was only a
    big circle of light. And the dark of the moon was only darkness.
    But half-way between the two, when the moon was between the
    worlds of light and dark, when even the moon lived on the edge...
    maybe then a witch could believe in the moon. --Witches Abroad
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  • From Rachel Phillips@rmaniacnyc@gmail.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Wednesday, May 19, 2021 03:29:07
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Yes, you can install XAMP or MAMP. they install apache web server, mysql/mariadb php.
    also there is bitnami also 'report server' it also comes with server , mariadb They can all be installed so you can try them all.

    You can get telnet by homebrew, then in terminal do , brew install telnet
    I prefer homebrew over port, some say port is not good at managing dependency, as last resort ill use port





    On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 12:32:35 AM UTC-4, JF Mezei wrote:
    Say I were to buy a Mac Mini (m1) as a server.

    Does anyone have experience running it as a headless server?

    Right now, my Xserve has IPMI for lights out management (tune on and off etc). Newer mac don't have that. So I know I lose that.
    First time it boots, can one gets its IP from a DHCP server, and use
    screen sharing to get its display and do the initial config this way?



    I know I need to manually install Apache (web), Postfix (mail), Dovecot, Bind, OpenSSL. (and telnet, ftp, tftp to make it a unix machine), dhcp server etc.

    Does Big Sur still support AFP file transfers or only down to SMB now?



    The low power of M1 is attractive, but having to fight "Mac OS" to make
    it into server is less and less attractive. If Big Sur doesn't even
    support AFP, then a Linux box starts to be easier to deploy as a server.
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  • From Dr Eberhard Lisse@nospam@lisse.NA to comp.sys.mac.system on Wednesday, May 19, 2021 15:56:16
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 19/05/2021 00:04, Lewis wrote:

    [...]
    Unbound is only a recursive name server whereas bind can be
    authoritative and (bad idea) or recursive.

    Unbound is preferred for most uses over bind.

    By whom?

    Preference lies purely and absolutely in the eyes of the beholder

    No, unbound is technically preferred by anyone who knows what they are
    doing. You only run bind when you HAVE TO run bind.
    [...]

    And you would know this from what experience, exactly, (rather than
    opinion)?

    el



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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Wednesday, May 19, 2021 16:02:38
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <igkjo2FgcdfU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
    On 19/05/2021 00:04, Lewis wrote:

    [...]
    Unbound is only a recursive name server whereas bind can be
    authoritative and (bad idea) or recursive.

    Unbound is preferred for most uses over bind.

    By whom?

    Preference lies purely and absolutely in the eyes of the beholder

    No, unbound is technically preferred by anyone who knows what they are
    doing. You only run bind when you HAVE TO run bind.
    [...]

    And you would know this from what experience, exactly, (rather than
    opinion)?

    Decades of experience, not that you care. You go on and do whatever
    you want, but don't go recommending people run bind just because you do.

    --
    'Where do shadows come from? That's where the wind is blowing!'
    --Colour of Magic
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  • From Dr Eberhard W Lisse@el@lisse.NA to comp.sys.mac.system on Wednesday, May 19, 2021 22:09:34
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    Welcome to the decadian club, but then you probably don't run a TLD.

    And as you go around insulting people using juvenile fecal language I
    recommend whatever I want.

    el

    On 2021-05-19 18:02 , Lewis wrote:
    [...]
    Decades of experience, not that you care. You go on and do whatever
    you want, but don't go recommending people run bind just because you do.
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  • From JF Mezei@jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca to comp.sys.mac.system on Wednesday, May 19, 2021 16:23:45
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021-05-18 18:04, Lewis wrote:

    It is usual to install the CURRENT postfix and apache. Please read ALL
    THE WORDS.

    But doing so over Apple supplied versions that are NOT in /usr/local
    means a llt more work than a simple install because you have to deal
    with dual copies of software and ensure all the paths, scripts and
    plists point to the correct copy and not the apple supplied copy. And
    deal with the danger that a software update will make the apple copy
    "live" again.


    Unbound is preferred for most uses over bind.

    Not if you're already setup with Bind (which was the software Apple
    supplied with its last true Server offering with Snow Leopard Server).


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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, May 20, 2021 03:10:45
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <igl9jvFkfp9U1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.NA> wrote:
    Welcome to the decadian club, but then you probably don't run a TLD.

    Neither do you.

    And as you go around insulting people using juvenile fecal language I recommend whatever I want.

    And I will call you out for your stupidity EVERY SINGLE TIME.

    Have fun.

    --
    A TRAINED APE COULD NOT TEACH GYM Bart chalkboard Ep. AABF15
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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, May 20, 2021 03:17:46
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    In message <ltepI.386953$2A5.297169@fx45.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
    On 2021-05-18 18:04, Lewis wrote:

    It is usual to install the CURRENT postfix and apache. Please read ALL
    THE WORDS.

    But doing so over Apple supplied versions that are NOT in /usr/local
    means a llt more work

    Not really.

    than a simple install because you have to deal
    with dual copies of software and ensure all the paths, scripts and
    plists point to the correct copy and not the apple supplied copy.

    This is not difficult, and is part of the build process where you
    specify the directories to be used. In fact, it is trivial to have
    separate RUNNING versions of Apache or postfix on the same machine.

    And deal with the danger that a software update will make the apple
    copy "live" again.

    Nope. That does not happen. the only way for the apple copy to be live
    is for you to specifically enable it.

    Unbound is preferred for most uses over bind.

    Not if you're already setup with Bind (which was the software Apple
    supplied with its last true Server offering with Snow Leopard Server).

    Unbound is preferred for most uses over bind.

    Neither bind nor unbound are installed by default on macOS (well, I am
    sure bind is not, I am not sure unbound is not). Server is a strange app
    and I haven't run it in many years.

    --
    Science is the foot that kicks magic square in the nuts.
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  • From Dr Eberhard W Lisse@nospam@lisse.NA to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, May 20, 2021 17:00:30
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Actually I do...

    ...Since 30 years and 12 days.

    el

    On 2021-05-20 05:10 , Lewis wrote:
    In message <igl9jvFkfp9U1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.NA> wrote:
    Welcome to the decadian club, but then you probably don't run a TLD.

    Neither do you.
    [...]
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  • From Dr Eberhard W Lisse@nospam@lisse.NA to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, May 20, 2021 17:27:13
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021-05-20 05:17 , Lewis wrote:
    In message <ltepI.386953$2A5.297169@fx45.iad> JF Mezei
    <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
    On 2021-05-18 18:04, Lewis wrote:

    It is usual to install the CURRENT postfix and apache. Please read
    ALL THE WORDS.

    But doing so over Apple supplied versions that are NOT in /usr/local
    means a llt more work

    Not really.
    [...]

    Looks like Homebrew does not contain Postfix. Big Sur comes with 3.5.7
    which is the previous stable release and I am sure one of the next MacOs updates will go to 3.6.0 the current stable version which came out last
    month.

    It is relatively easy to configure, the need to disable and then
    re-enable SIP in order to make it listen to port 25 is a small nuisance, because you may have to do it after each update.

    Apache is 2.4.46 which is the current stable release, but then I do not
    run Apache on Macs.


    Not if you're already setup with Bind (which was the software Apple
    supplied with its last true Server offering with Snow Leopard
    Server).
    If you have a big investment into Bind the "if it ain't broken" applies.

    Unbound is preferred for most uses over bind.

    Repeating this nonsense does not make it any less nonsense. Not even
    Jaap Akkerhuis proposes that.

    Neither bind nor unbound are installed by default on macOS (well, I am
    sure bind is not, I am not sure unbound is not). Server is a strange
    app and I haven't run it in many years.

    Neither comes with MacOs. But both are easily installed via Homebrew.

    el
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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, May 20, 2021 19:14:56
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <ignbsfF25knU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
    On 2021-05-20 05:10 , Lewis wrote:
    In message <igl9jvFkfp9U1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.NA> wrote:
    Welcome to the decadian club, but then you probably don't run a TLD.

    Neither do you.

    Actually I do...

    No you do not. And you not knowing what a TLD is is proof you do not
    know what the fuck you are talking about.

    --
    "Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
    "I think so, Brain, but if we give peas a chance, won't the lima
    beans feel left out?"
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  • From Dr Eberhard W Lisse@el@lisse.NA to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, May 21, 2021 07:42:58
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Carry on living in your alternate reality.

    I would however submit, that these childish insults using fecal language
    are violating Netiquette more than top posting, and if your mother finds
    out that you are kiddie-scripting again she'll probably wash your mouth
    out with soap.

    el



    On 2021-05-20 21:14 , Lewis wrote:
    In message <ignbsfF25knU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
    On 2021-05-20 05:10 , Lewis wrote:
    In message <igl9jvFkfp9U1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard W Lisse
    <el@lisse.NA> wrote:
    Welcome to the decadian club, but then you probably don't run a
    TLD.

    Neither do you.

    Actually I do...

    No you do not. And you not knowing what a TLD is is proof you do not
    know what the fuck you are talking about.

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  • From Sonny T. Larsen@sonny@unix.dk to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, May 21, 2021 11:21:49
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:14:56 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:

    No you do not. And you not knowing what a TLD is is proof you do not
    know what the fuck you are talking about.

    He does, actually. Look up who owns/manages the .na TLD.

    --
    /Sonny - #include <std.disclaimer.h>

    "I don't have an attitude problem, you have a perception problem."
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  • From Dr Eberhard W Lisse@nospam@lisse.NA to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, May 21, 2021 14:28:11
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Spoilsport :-)-O


    el

    On 2021-05-21 13:21 , Sonny T. Larsen wrote:
    On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:14:56 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:

    No you do not. And you not knowing what a TLD is is proof you do not
    know what the fuck you are talking about.

    He does, actually. Look up who owns/manages the .na TLD.


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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, May 21, 2021 21:01:00
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <slrnsaf5ud.1evg.sonny@tux.nerdheaven.dk> Sonny T. Larsen <sonny@unix.dk> wrote:
    On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:14:56 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:

    No you do not. And you not knowing what a TLD is is proof you do not
    know what the fuck you are talking about.

    He does, actually. Look up who owns/manages the .na TLD.

    contact: administrative
    name: NA Domain Administrators
    organisation: Namibian Network Information Center
    address: 106, Fischreiher Street
    address: PO Box 7022
    address: Swakopmund
    address: 13002
    address: Namibia
    phone: +264 81 124 6733
    fax-no: +264 88 624273
    e-mail: dns-admin@na-nic.com.na


    --
    Don't be too sure I'm as crooked as I'm supposed to be. ~ Sam Spade
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  • From Sonny T. Larsen@sonny@unix.dk to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, May 21, 2021 22:35:37
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Fri, 21 May 2021 21:01:00 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:

    He does, actually. Look up who owns/manages the .na TLD.

    contact: administrative
    name: NA Domain Administrators
    organisation: Namibian Network Information Center
    address: 106, Fischreiher Street
    address: PO Box 7022
    address: Swakopmund
    address: 13002
    address: Namibia
    phone: +264 81 124 6733
    fax-no: +264 88 624273
    e-mail: dns-admin@na-nic.com.na

    Indeed, and if you look into "Namibian Network Information Center",
    you will find this:

    "Eberhard Lisse is the Managing Director of the Namibian Network Information Centre, the ccTLD Manager of .na"

    --
    /Sonny - #include <std.disclaimer.h>

    "I don't have an attitude problem, you have a perception problem."
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  • From YK@youkidding@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, May 21, 2021 21:19:47
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 5/21/21 6:35 PM, Sonny T. Larsen wrote:
    On Fri, 21 May 2021 21:01:00 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:

    He does, actually. Look up who owns/manages the .na TLD.

    contact: administrative
    name: NA Domain Administrators
    organisation: Namibian Network Information Center
    address: 106, Fischreiher Street
    address: PO Box 7022
    address: Swakopmund
    address: 13002
    address: Namibia
    phone: +264 81 124 6733
    fax-no: +264 88 624273
    e-mail: dns-admin@na-nic.com.na

    Indeed, and if you look into "Namibian Network Information Center",
    you will find this:

    "Eberhard Lisse is the Managing Director of the Namibian Network Information Centre, the ccTLD Manager of .na"


    Lewis doesn't always complete his homework before posting.

    YK
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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, May 22, 2021 02:48:23
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <s89m7g$g0q$1@gioia.aioe.org> YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 5/21/21 6:35 PM, Sonny T. Larsen wrote:
    On Fri, 21 May 2021 21:01:00 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:

    He does, actually. Look up who owns/manages the .na TLD.

    contact: administrative
    name: NA Domain Administrators
    organisation: Namibian Network Information Center
    address: 106, Fischreiher Street
    address: PO Box 7022
    address: Swakopmund
    address: 13002
    address: Namibia
    phone: +264 81 124 6733
    fax-no: +264 88 624273
    e-mail: dns-admin@na-nic.com.na

    Indeed, and if you look into "Namibian Network Information Center",
    you will find this:

    "Eberhard Lisse is the Managing Director of the Namibian Network Information >> Centre, the ccTLD Manager of .na"


    Lewis doesn't always complete his homework before posting.

    Excuse you, I do not have any homework at all; it is not my job to vet
    random posters on usenet. And this all assumes this blowhard dipshit is
    who he says he is. And he is a dipshit if he is telling people who have
    no need to use bind they should use bind.

    Some people need bind, most people do not and should not be using it.

    --
    Join the Bastards of Castle Black today!
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  • From Dr Eberhard W Lisse@nospam@lisse.NA to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, May 22, 2021 14:53:42
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    While it is no your job to vet anyone, not that you'll have job, sitting
    on your mother's basement, hiding behind an obfuscated address, it was
    you who stated, categorically at that, that this dipshit (yours truly)
    does not know what a TLD is, whereas you had decades worth of
    experience.

    I can not see anything in the charter of this newsgroup about randomness
    of posters, by the way, but then you are projecting (that Bind is too
    difficult for you) by way of your usual fecal language anyway.

    That dipshit (yours truly) is the second longest uninterrupted serving
    (cc)TLD manager (since (a few lines further down in the WHOIS)
    1991-05-08) and has been using the authoritative name servers Bind
    4/8/9), Knot DNS and YADIFA, with cursory looks at NSD and OpenDNS and
    the recursive/caching (parts of) Bind, Unbound and Knot Resolver
    sufficently enough to be able to set up DNSSEC (if you knew what that
    is) already in 2009, with inline signing (also looking at OpenDNSSEC).

    That said, as usual your statement, even now a little less categorial,
    does not contribute. It depends entirely what the OP wants to do.

    If he wants to run an authoritative name server, he can NOT do that with
    a recursive name server (such as Unbound).

    If he wants to run a resolving/caching name server and a has significant investment in experience and/or training and so forth (or even a working
    setup aka, "it ain't broken") in Bind, there is no need, what so effing
    ever, to move away from Bind.

    There is of course also the question of redundancy, having one name
    server (brand/version) for everything runs the risk of falling
    vulnerable to exploits should they occur, hence using a mix of software
    (and hardware) is always prudent. And has teaching moments.

    But, then, what would a wannabe like you know about grownup stuff?

    el

    On 2021-05-22 04:48 , Lewis wrote:
    In message <s89m7g$g0q$1@gioia.aioe.org> YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 5/21/21 6:35 PM, Sonny T. Larsen wrote:
    On Fri, 21 May 2021 21:01:00 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
    He does, actually. Look up who owns/manages the .na TLD.

    [...]
    organisation: Namibian Network Information Center
    [...]

    Indeed, and if you look into "Namibian Network Information Center",
    you will find this:

    "Eberhard Lisse is the Managing Director of the Namibian Network
    Information Centre, the ccTLD Manager of .na"


    Lewis doesn't always complete his homework before posting.

    Excuse you, I do not have any homework at all; it is not my job to vet random posters on usenet. And this all assumes this blowhard dipshit
    is who he says he is. And he is a dipshit if he is telling people who
    have no need to use bind they should use bind.

    Some people need bind, most people do not and should not be using it.
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  • From JF Mezei@jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, May 22, 2021 18:29:37
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021-05-21 22:48, Lewis wrote:

    Excuse you, I do not have any homework at all; it is not my job to vet
    random posters on usenet.

    Yet, you make it your full time job to insult users and try to destroy
    their reputation at every oppportunity you have.
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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, May 22, 2021 23:32:02
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <mBfqI.621945$%W6.7934@fx44.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
    On 2021-05-21 22:48, Lewis wrote:

    Excuse you, I do not have any homework at all; it is not my job to vet
    random posters on usenet.

    Yet, you make it your full time job to insult users and try to destroy
    their reputation at every oppportunity you have.

    People who say stupid things get corrected. You constantly say stupid
    things, make shit up, and constantly claim people are lying based on
    your idiotic made-up bullshitlies and misunderstandings.


    --
    I'd like to move us right along to a Peter Gibbons. Now we had a
    chance to meet this young man, and boy that's just a straight
    shooter with upper management written all over him.
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  • From Dr Eberhard W Lisse@nospam@lisse.NA to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, May 23, 2021 16:07:45
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Overweight children who sit in their mother's basement need the Usenet
    because they don't have a life.

    el

    On 2021-05-23 01:32 , Lewis wrote:
    In message <mBfqI.621945$%W6.7934@fx44.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
    On 2021-05-21 22:48, Lewis wrote:

    Excuse you, I do not have any homework at all; it is not my job to
    vet random posters on usenet.

    Yet, you make it your full time job to insult users and try to
    destroy their reputation at every oppportunity you have.

    People who say stupid things get corrected. You constantly say stupid things, make shit up, and constantly claim people are lying based on
    your idiotic made-up bullshitlies and misunderstandings.


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  • From YK@youkidding@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, May 23, 2021 15:06:48
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 5/21/21 10:48 PM, Lewis wrote:
    In message <s89m7g$g0q$1@gioia.aioe.org> YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 5/21/21 6:35 PM, Sonny T. Larsen wrote:
    On Fri, 21 May 2021 21:01:00 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:

    He does, actually. Look up who owns/manages the .na TLD.

    contact: administrative
    name: NA Domain Administrators
    organisation: Namibian Network Information Center
    address: 106, Fischreiher Street
    address: PO Box 7022
    address: Swakopmund
    address: 13002
    address: Namibia
    phone: +264 81 124 6733
    fax-no: +264 88 624273
    e-mail: dns-admin@na-nic.com.na

    Indeed, and if you look into "Namibian Network Information Center",
    you will find this:

    "Eberhard Lisse is the Managing Director of the Namibian Network Information
    Centre, the ccTLD Manager of .na"


    Lewis doesn't always complete his homework before posting.

    Excuse you, I do not have any homework at all; it is not my job to vet
    random posters on usenet. And this all assumes this blowhard dipshit is
    who he says he is. And he is a dipshit if he is telling people who have
    no need to use bind they should use bind.

    Some people need bind, most people do not and should not be using it.

    Remind me where said "He is telling people who have no need to use bind
    they should use bind." I don't read his posts as I have kill filed. I
    didn't see it any of the messages you repeated his text.

    YK


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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Monday, May 24, 2021 00:40:36
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <s8e947$qgc$1@gioia.aioe.org> YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Remind me where said "He is telling people who have no need to use bind
    they should use bind." I don't read his posts as I have kill filed. I
    didn't see it any of the messages you repeated his text.

    Look harder?

    --
    "As God as my witness, I though turkeys could fly," Arthur Carlson,
    WKRP in Cincinnati
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  • From Dr Eberhard W Lisse@nospam@lisse.NA to comp.sys.mac.system,"\\" on Monday, May 24, 2021 07:55:32
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    I's not there of course.

    On 2021-05-24 02:40 , Lewis wrote:
    In message <s8e947$qgc$1@gioia.aioe.org> YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Remind me where said "He is telling people who have no need to use bind
    they should use bind." I don't read his posts as I have kill filed. I
    didn't see it any of the messages you repeated his text.

    Look harder?


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