Say I were to buy a Mac Mini (m1) as a server.
Does anyone have experience running it as a headless server?
Right now, my Xserve has IPMI for lights out management (tune on and off etc). Newer mac don't have that. So I know I lose that.
First time it boots, can one gets its IP from a DHCP server, and use
screen sharing to get its display and do the initial config this way?
I know I need to manually install Apache (web), Postfix (mail), Dovecot, Bind, OpenSSL. (and telnet, ftp, tftp to make it a unix machine), dhcp
server etc.
Does Big Sur still support AFP file transfers or only down to SMB now?
The low power of M1 is attractive, but having to fight "Mac OS" to make
it into server is less and less attractive. If Big Sur doesn't even
support AFP, then a Linux box starts to be easier to deploy as a server.
On 2021-05-16 00:32, JF Mezei wrote:
Say I were to buy a Mac Mini (m1) as a server.
Does anyone have experience running it as a headless server?
Right now, my Xserve has IPMI for lights out management (tune on and off
etc). Newer mac don't have that. So I know I lose that.
First time it boots, can one gets its IP from a DHCP server, and use
screen sharing to get its display and do the initial config this way?
I know I need to manually install Apache (web), Postfix (mail), Dovecot,
Bind, OpenSSL. (and telnet, ftp, tftp to make it a unix machine), dhcp
server etc.
It already is a Unix machine.
Does Big Sur still support AFP file transfers or only down to SMB now?
Haven't kept up your Google Search payments?
The low power of M1 is attractive, but having to fight "Mac OS" to make
it into server is less and less attractive. If Big Sur doesn't even
support AFP, then a Linux box starts to be easier to deploy as a server.
You would probably need to configure basic things with a monitor
attached and turn on things like screensharing. Once all set up, you
could plug in a HDMI emulator dongle and do your session from another
Mac if not using SSH.
It's probably much more cost effective to go with Linux. I don't know
how powerful a machine you would need, but likely a used intel i5 would
do the job well enough. And for half of the year, at least, there is no energy cost at all.
It already is a Unix machine.
Haven't kept up your Google Search payments?
It's probably much more cost effective to go with Linux. I don't know
how powerful a machine you would need, but likely a used intel i5 would
do the job well enough. And for half of the year, at least, there is no energy cost at all.
I have noticed that when I reboot the laptop, I can't ssh into it until I login on it from the keyboard. I can ping it but various services I'd expect to be running don't allow me to connect. There must be something to configure
or install (Server perhaps?) that allows the system to run headless without someone logged in on the keyboard.
On 2021-05-16 08:05, Alan Browne wrote:
It already is a Unix machine.
OS-X ...
... has removed many Unix utilities over past few years, utilities
needed to manage routers and such (telnet, ftp, tftp etc).
I know I need to manually install Apache (web), Postfix (mail),[...]
Dovecot, Bind, OpenSSL. (and telnet, ftp, tftp to make it a unix
machine), dhcp server etc.
On 2021-05-16 08:05, Alan Browne wrote:[...]
OS-X has removed many Unix utilities over past few years, utilities[...]
needed to manage routers and such (telnet, ftp, tftp etc).
On Sunday, 16 May 2021 16:19 -0400,[...]>> ... has removed many Unix utilities over past few years, utilities
in article <k7foI.404943$2N3.119149@fx33.iad>,
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
[...]needed to manage routers and such (telnet, ftp, tftp etc).
Telnet is deprecated, as insecure. Use ssh for secure login remotely.
As with telnet, FTP is deprecated, for the same reason, sftp and tftp[...]
are installed by default, in macOS 11. I so not miss the command-line
ftp client.
On 2021-05-16 08:05, Alan Browne wrote:
It already is a Unix machine.
OS-X has removed many Unix utilities over past few years, utilities
needed to manage routers and such (telnet
, ftp,
tftp etc).
Got telnet on mine...
Not a big drama,
On 16/05/2021 06:32, JF Mezei wrote:
[...]
I know I need to manually install Apache (web), Postfix (mail),[...]
Dovecot, Bind, OpenSSL. (and telnet, ftp, tftp to make it a unix
machine), dhcp server etc.
It comes with Apache, Postfix, OpenSSL, telnet, ftp and tftp already,
and most certainly with SSH. Bind and DHCP are easily installable with Homebrew.
It also comes with VNC so you should even be able to log in with a GUI,
but I have never tried this without a screen attached.
I recall vaguely some form of rack where you could put several minis
and even link them together somehow.
On 2021-05-16 1:19 p.m., JF Mezei wrote:
On 2021-05-16 08:05, Alan Browne wrote:
It already is a Unix machine.
OS-X has removed many Unix utilities over past few years, utilities
needed to manage routers and such (telnet
Got telnet on mine...
tftp etc).
Got it.
No, ftp and telnet are deprecated, are not installed by default in
macOS, and hove absolutely nothing to do with whether a system is Unix
or not.
It is usually to install the current postfix and apache if you are
going to use those tools. Unbound is preferred for most uses over
bind.
It also comes with VNC so you should even be able to log in with a
GUI, but I have never tried this without a screen attached.
Works fine, but is "limited" to 1080p.
I recall vaguely some form of rack where you could put several minis
and even link them together somehow.
There are many solutions.
On 2021-05-17 20:14 , Lewis wrote:
[...]
No, ftp and telnet are deprecated, are not installed by default in
macOS, and hove absolutely nothing to do with whether a system is Unix
or not.
In my subsequent message
I did not make any statements with regards to MacOs being unixish.
It is usually to install the current postfix and apache if you are
going to use those tools. Unbound is preferred for most uses over
bind.
Postfix comes with MacOs but may need turning SIP off and on to make it autostart or listen to the port.
Apache comes with MacOs, but I have never even looked at running it.
Unbound is only a recursive name server whereas bind can be
authoritative and (bad idea) or recursive.
Preference lies purely and absolutely in the eyes of the beholder
It also comes with VNC so you should even be able to log in with a
GUI, but I have never tried this without a screen attached.
Works fine, but is "limited" to 1080p.
And that contributes exactly what? I am sure whatever resolution
whatever VNC implementation is sufficient to log in and to management
tasks.
And I hoped you had plunked me as promised.
Say I were to buy a Mac Mini (m1) as a server.
Does anyone have experience running it as a headless server?
Right now, my Xserve has IPMI for lights out management (tune on and off etc). Newer mac don't have that. So I know I lose that.
First time it boots, can one gets its IP from a DHCP server, and use
screen sharing to get its display and do the initial config this way?
I know I need to manually install Apache (web), Postfix (mail), Dovecot, Bind, OpenSSL. (and telnet, ftp, tftp to make it a unix machine), dhcp server etc.
Does Big Sur still support AFP file transfers or only down to SMB now?
The low power of M1 is attractive, but having to fight "Mac OS" to make--- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
it into server is less and less attractive. If Big Sur doesn't even
support AFP, then a Linux box starts to be easier to deploy as a server.
Unbound is only a recursive name server whereas bind can be
authoritative and (bad idea) or recursive.
Unbound is preferred for most uses over bind.
[...]Preference lies purely and absolutely in the eyes of the beholder
No, unbound is technically preferred by anyone who knows what they are
doing. You only run bind when you HAVE TO run bind.
On 19/05/2021 00:04, Lewis wrote:
[...]
Unbound is only a recursive name server whereas bind can be
authoritative and (bad idea) or recursive.
Unbound is preferred for most uses over bind.
By whom?
[...]Preference lies purely and absolutely in the eyes of the beholder
No, unbound is technically preferred by anyone who knows what they are
doing. You only run bind when you HAVE TO run bind.
And you would know this from what experience, exactly, (rather than
opinion)?
Decades of experience, not that you care. You go on and do whatever--- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
you want, but don't go recommending people run bind just because you do.
It is usual to install the CURRENT postfix and apache. Please read ALL
THE WORDS.
Unbound is preferred for most uses over bind.
Welcome to the decadian club, but then you probably don't run a TLD.
And as you go around insulting people using juvenile fecal language I recommend whatever I want.
On 2021-05-18 18:04, Lewis wrote:
It is usual to install the CURRENT postfix and apache. Please read ALL
THE WORDS.
But doing so over Apple supplied versions that are NOT in /usr/local
means a llt more work
than a simple install because you have to deal
with dual copies of software and ensure all the paths, scripts and
plists point to the correct copy and not the apple supplied copy.
And deal with the danger that a software update will make the apple
copy "live" again.
Unbound is preferred for most uses over bind.
Not if you're already setup with Bind (which was the software Apple
supplied with its last true Server offering with Snow Leopard Server).
In message <igl9jvFkfp9U1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.NA> wrote:[...]
Welcome to the decadian club, but then you probably don't run a TLD.
Neither do you.
In message <ltepI.386953$2A5.297169@fx45.iad> JF Mezei<jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
[...]On 2021-05-18 18:04, Lewis wrote:
It is usual to install the CURRENT postfix and apache. Please read
ALL THE WORDS.
But doing so over Apple supplied versions that are NOT in /usr/local
means a llt more work
Not really.
If you have a big investment into Bind the "if it ain't broken" applies.Not if you're already setup with Bind (which was the software Apple
supplied with its last true Server offering with Snow Leopard
Server).
Unbound is preferred for most uses over bind.
Neither bind nor unbound are installed by default on macOS (well, I am
sure bind is not, I am not sure unbound is not). Server is a strange
app and I haven't run it in many years.
On 2021-05-20 05:10 , Lewis wrote:
In message <igl9jvFkfp9U1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.NA> wrote:
Welcome to the decadian club, but then you probably don't run a TLD.
Neither do you.
Actually I do...
In message <ignbsfF25knU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
On 2021-05-20 05:10 , Lewis wrote:
In message <igl9jvFkfp9U1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard W Lisse
<el@lisse.NA> wrote:
Welcome to the decadian club, but then you probably don't run a
TLD.
Neither do you.
Actually I do...
No you do not. And you not knowing what a TLD is is proof you do not
know what the fuck you are talking about.
No you do not. And you not knowing what a TLD is is proof you do not
know what the fuck you are talking about.
On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:14:56 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
No you do not. And you not knowing what a TLD is is proof you do not
know what the fuck you are talking about.
He does, actually. Look up who owns/manages the .na TLD.
On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:14:56 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
No you do not. And you not knowing what a TLD is is proof you do not
know what the fuck you are talking about.
He does, actually. Look up who owns/manages the .na TLD.
He does, actually. Look up who owns/manages the .na TLD.
contact: administrative
name: NA Domain Administrators
organisation: Namibian Network Information Center
address: 106, Fischreiher Street
address: PO Box 7022
address: Swakopmund
address: 13002
address: Namibia
phone: +264 81 124 6733
fax-no: +264 88 624273
e-mail: dns-admin@na-nic.com.na
On Fri, 21 May 2021 21:01:00 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
He does, actually. Look up who owns/manages the .na TLD.
contact: administrative
name: NA Domain Administrators
organisation: Namibian Network Information Center
address: 106, Fischreiher Street
address: PO Box 7022
address: Swakopmund
address: 13002
address: Namibia
phone: +264 81 124 6733
fax-no: +264 88 624273
e-mail: dns-admin@na-nic.com.na
Indeed, and if you look into "Namibian Network Information Center",
you will find this:
"Eberhard Lisse is the Managing Director of the Namibian Network Information Centre, the ccTLD Manager of .na"
On 5/21/21 6:35 PM, Sonny T. Larsen wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2021 21:01:00 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
He does, actually. Look up who owns/manages the .na TLD.
contact: administrative
name: NA Domain Administrators
organisation: Namibian Network Information Center
address: 106, Fischreiher Street
address: PO Box 7022
address: Swakopmund
address: 13002
address: Namibia
phone: +264 81 124 6733
fax-no: +264 88 624273
e-mail: dns-admin@na-nic.com.na
Indeed, and if you look into "Namibian Network Information Center",
you will find this:
"Eberhard Lisse is the Managing Director of the Namibian Network Information >> Centre, the ccTLD Manager of .na"
Lewis doesn't always complete his homework before posting.
In message <s89m7g$g0q$1@gioia.aioe.org> YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> wrote:[...]
On 5/21/21 6:35 PM, Sonny T. Larsen wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2021 21:01:00 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
He does, actually. Look up who owns/manages the .na TLD.
[...]organisation: Namibian Network Information Center
--- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
Indeed, and if you look into "Namibian Network Information Center",
you will find this:
"Eberhard Lisse is the Managing Director of the Namibian Network
Information Centre, the ccTLD Manager of .na"
Lewis doesn't always complete his homework before posting.
Excuse you, I do not have any homework at all; it is not my job to vet random posters on usenet. And this all assumes this blowhard dipshit
is who he says he is. And he is a dipshit if he is telling people who
have no need to use bind they should use bind.
Some people need bind, most people do not and should not be using it.
Excuse you, I do not have any homework at all; it is not my job to vet
random posters on usenet.
On 2021-05-21 22:48, Lewis wrote:
Excuse you, I do not have any homework at all; it is not my job to vet
random posters on usenet.
Yet, you make it your full time job to insult users and try to destroy
their reputation at every oppportunity you have.
In message <mBfqI.621945$%W6.7934@fx44.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
On 2021-05-21 22:48, Lewis wrote:
Excuse you, I do not have any homework at all; it is not my job to
vet random posters on usenet.
Yet, you make it your full time job to insult users and try to
destroy their reputation at every oppportunity you have.
People who say stupid things get corrected. You constantly say stupid things, make shit up, and constantly claim people are lying based on
your idiotic made-up bullshitlies and misunderstandings.
In message <s89m7g$g0q$1@gioia.aioe.org> YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 5/21/21 6:35 PM, Sonny T. Larsen wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2021 21:01:00 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
He does, actually. Look up who owns/manages the .na TLD.
contact: administrative
name: NA Domain Administrators
organisation: Namibian Network Information Center
address: 106, Fischreiher Street
address: PO Box 7022
address: Swakopmund
address: 13002
address: Namibia
phone: +264 81 124 6733
fax-no: +264 88 624273
e-mail: dns-admin@na-nic.com.na
Indeed, and if you look into "Namibian Network Information Center",
you will find this:
"Eberhard Lisse is the Managing Director of the Namibian Network Information
Centre, the ccTLD Manager of .na"
Lewis doesn't always complete his homework before posting.
Excuse you, I do not have any homework at all; it is not my job to vet
random posters on usenet. And this all assumes this blowhard dipshit is
who he says he is. And he is a dipshit if he is telling people who have
no need to use bind they should use bind.
Some people need bind, most people do not and should not be using it.
Remind me where said "He is telling people who have no need to use bind
they should use bind." I don't read his posts as I have kill filed. I
didn't see it any of the messages you repeated his text.
In message <s8e947$qgc$1@gioia.aioe.org> YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> wrote:
Remind me where said "He is telling people who have no need to use bind
they should use bind." I don't read his posts as I have kill filed. I
didn't see it any of the messages you repeated his text.
Look harder?
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