It seems I have to do it monthly--
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
It seems I have to do it monthly
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
It seems I have to do it monthly
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Never. I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over
30 years of using computers - at home and at work - I have never needed
to search for anything.
On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
It seems I have to do it monthly
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Never.  I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over
30 years of using computers - at home and at work -Â I have never needed
to search for anything.
It seems I have to do it monthly
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
On 2021-07-01 8:31 p.m., Bob Campbell wrote:--- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
It seems I have to do it monthly
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Never.  I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over 30 years of using computers - at home and at work - I have never needed to search for anything.
Then you're an idiot or your use of computers is trivial.
Where does the need to insult people come from?
Insecurity?
el
On 2021-07-02 06:34 , Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-07-01 8:31 p.m., Bob Campbell wrote:
On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
It seems I have to do it monthly
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all >>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Never.  I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In
over 30 years of using computers - at home and at work -Â I have
never needed to search for anything.
Then you're an idiot or your use of computers is trivial.
On 2021-07-02 12:11 a.m., Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
Where does the need to insult people come from?
Insecurity?
el
On 2021-07-02 06:34 , Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-07-01 8:31 p.m., Bob Campbell wrote:
On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
It seems I have to do it monthly
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all >>>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in >>>>> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Never. I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In
over 30 years of using computers - at home and at work - I have
never needed to search for anything.
Then you're an idiot or your use of computers is trivial.
I don't suffer idiots gladly.
I'm not sorry about that.
The simple fact is that his post was completely unhelpful.
Where does the need to insult people come from?
Insecurity?
el--- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
On 2021-07-02 06:34 , Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-07-01 8:31 p.m., Bob Campbell wrote:
On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
It seems I have to do it monthly
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all >>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Never. I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over 30 >> years of using computers - at home and at work - I have never needed to >> search for anything.
Then you're an idiot or your use of computers is trivial.
It seems I have to do it monthly
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
It seems I have to do it monthly
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Never. I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over
30 years of using computers - at home and at work - I have never needed
to search for anything.
In article <ik7shnFpb6nU2@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
Where does the need to insult people come from?
he didn't insult anyone. what he said is an accurate description,
assuming the post is not trollbait.
Insecurity?
no.
and don't top post.
el
On 2021-07-02 06:34 , Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-07-01 8:31 p.m., Bob Campbell wrote:
On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
It seems I have to do it monthly
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all >>>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in >>>>> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Never.  I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over 30
years of using computers - at home and at work -Â I have never needed to >>>> search for anything.
Then you're an idiot or your use of computers is trivial.
In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.
el--- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
On 02/07/2021 13:37, nospam wrote:
In article <ik7shnFpb6nU2@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
Where does the need to insult people come from?
he didn't insult anyone. what he said is an accurate description,
assuming the post is not trollbait.
Insecurity?
no.
and don't top post.
el
On 2021-07-02 06:34 , Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-07-01 8:31 p.m., Bob Campbell wrote:
On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
It seems I have to do it monthly
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all >>>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in >>>>> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Never. I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over 30
years of using computers - at home and at work - I have never needed to >>>> search for anything.
Then you're an idiot or your use of computers is trivial.
On 2021 Jul 01, Bob Campbell wrote
(in article<G9OdnRZ_ovU-FUP9nZ2dnUU7-fnNnZ2d@supernews.com>):
On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
It seems I have to do it monthly
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Never. I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over
30 years of using computers - at home and at work - I have never needed
to search for anything.
Interesting. I have a 2 TB HDD and a 1 TB SSD internally on this machine, and
have access to over 40 TB of storage, by USB, in a NAS, and in network connections to other computers, Mac, Windows, and Linux. Finding files in all
that would be non-trivial without using search. So... how _do_ you find files? How much storage is on your machine(s)? How much time do you spend moving around files and folders? What is your objection to using search?
In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.
Ah, insecurity it is.
In message <ik8lofFu4fnU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.
And yet, it is also an accurate description of someone who claims to
have "never used search ever" or the other option, your use of a
computer is trivial.
I know someone who has never used search on her computer either. She is
an accountant. She runs two programs on her computer, and only two.
Google Chrome and her accounting software (whatever Peachtree became
when it was Borged). She has no need of search because the only data on
her computer is the accounting files. (Literally the only data, no
music, photos, videos, documents, nothing).
Your insistence on top-posting lends credence to the 'idiot'
possibility.
In message<ik8631Fr6jvU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
Ah, insecurity it is.
You are a troll shit and I claim my £5.
It seems I have to do it monthly
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
On 2021 Jul 01, Ant wrote
(in article<XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9nZ2dnUU7-QNQAAAA@earthlink.com>):
It seems I have to do it monthly
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
I???ve never manually rebuilt the Spotlight index in Big Sur. I last rebuilt the Spotlight index manually five or six years ago. Doing an update install usually rebuilds the Spotlight index automatically on reboot. There is usually no reason to rebuild the index after that.
Why do you think that you need to rebuild the index? Are you having problems with a search?
In article <slrnsdugq1.qb9.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
In message <ik8lofFu4fnU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse
<nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.
And yet, it is also an accurate description of someone who claims to
have "never used search ever" or the other option, your use of a
computer is trivial.
yep
I know someone who has never used search on her computer either. She is
an accountant. She runs two programs on her computer, and only two.
Google Chrome and her accounting software (whatever Peachtree became
when it was Borged). She has no need of search because the only data on
her computer is the accounting files. (Literally the only data, no
music, photos, videos, documents, nothing).
she might not need to search for photos or whatever on her computer,
but certainly she must have searched for stuff online using a search
engine in chrome and likely searched for specific transactions or
client data in the accounting software.
Your insistence on top-posting lends credence to the 'idiot'
possibility.
it guarantees it.
In message <ik8631Fr6jvU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
Ah, insecurity it is.
You are a troll shit and I claim my £5.
On 2021 Jul 02, Lewis wrote
(in article <slrnsdugsf.qb9.g.kreme@m1mini.local>):
In message<ik8631Fr6jvU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse
<nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
Ah, insecurity it is.
You are a troll shit and I claim my £5.
oh, there’s no doubt but that Ebie is a troll.
In article <ik7shnFpb6nU2@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:--- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
Where does the need to insult people come from?
he didn't insult anyone. what he said is an accurate description,
assuming the post is not trollbait.
Insecurity?
no.
and don't top post.
el
On 2021-07-02 06:34 , Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-07-01 8:31 p.m., Bob Campbell wrote:
On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
It seems I have to do it monthly
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all >>>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in >>>>> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Never.  I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over 30
years of using computers - at home and at work -Â I have never needed to >>>> search for anything.
Then you're an idiot or your use of computers is trivial.
In article <ik8lofFu4fnU1@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.
not when the word is appropriate and accurately describes someone, such
as when a person intentionally, deliberately and blatantly violates
usenet posting etiquette by top posting, especially after repeatedly
being told to not do that in numerous threads.
--- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113el
On 02/07/2021 13:37, nospam wrote:
In article <ik7shnFpb6nU2@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
<nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
Where does the need to insult people come from?
he didn't insult anyone. what he said is an accurate description,
assuming the post is not trollbait.
Insecurity?
no.
and don't top post.
el
On 2021-07-02 06:34 , Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-07-01 8:31 p.m., Bob Campbell wrote:
On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
It seems I have to do it monthly
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all >>>>>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in >>>>>>> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Never.  I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over 30
years of using computers - at home and at work -Â I have never needed to
search for anything.
Then you're an idiot or your use of computers is trivial.
In message <ik8lofFu4fnU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.
And yet, it is also an accurate description of someone who claims to
have "never used search ever" or the other option, your use of a
computer is trivial.
I know someone who has never used search on her computer either. She
is an accountant. She runs two programs on her computer, and only
two. Google Chrome and her accounting software (whatever Peachtree
became when it was Borged). She has no need of search because the
only data on her computer is the accounting files. (Literally the
only data, no music, photos, videos, documents, nothing).
Your insistence on top-posting lends credence to the 'idiot'
possibility.
In message <020720211314417195%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <slrnsdugq1.qb9.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
In message <ik8lofFu4fnU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse
<nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.
And yet, it is also an accurate description of someone who claims to
have "never used search ever" or the other option, your use of a
computer is trivial.
yep
I know someone who has never used search on her computer either. She is
an accountant. She runs two programs on her computer, and only two.
Google Chrome and her accounting software (whatever Peachtree became
when it was Borged). She has no need of search because the only data on
her computer is the accounting files. (Literally the only data, no
music, photos, videos, documents, nothing).
she might not need to search for photos or whatever on her computer,
but certainly she must have searched for stuff online using a search
engine in chrome and likely searched for specific transactions or
client data in the accounting software.
I was thinking of the ;search; comparable to spotlight.
Your insistence on top-posting lends credence to the 'idiot'
possibility.
it guarantees it.
Yeah, I binned the idiot.
On 2021 Jul 01, Bob Campbell wrote
(in article<G9OdnRZ_ovU-FUP9nZ2dnUU7-fnNnZ2d@supernews.com>):
On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
It seems I have to do it monthly
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Never. I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over
30 years of using computers - at home and at work - I have never needed
to search for anything.
Interesting. I have a 2 TB HDD and a 1 TB SSD internally on this machine, and have access to over 40 TB of storage, by USB, in a NAS, and in network connections to other computers, Mac, Windows, and Linux. Finding files in all that would be non-trivial without using search. So... how _do_ you find files? How much storage is on your machine(s)? How much time do you spend moving around files and folders? What is your objection to using search?
Who's Ebie?
el
On 2021-07-02 20:18 , Wolffan wrote:
On 2021 Jul 02, Lewis wrote
(in article <slrnsdugsf.qb9.g.kreme@m1mini.local>):
In message<ik8631Fr6jvU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
Ah, insecurity it is.
You are a troll shit and I claim my £5.
oh, there’s no doubt but that Ebie is a troll.
I was expecting you to come in with your usual unhelpful comments in
fecal language.
On 2021-07-02 18:49 , Lewis wrote:
In message<ik8631Fr6jvU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
Ah, insecurity it is.
You are a troll shit and I claim my £5.
I find files like so:
find ~/Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/Managed/Bundles \
-depth 1 -name '*.tmbundle' \
-exec bash -c '
tput bold;
echo -n "$(defaults read "{}/info.plist" name): ";
tput sgr0;
echo $(if cd "{}/Syntaxes" 2>/dev/null;
then
for syntax in *.plist *.tmLanguage;
do
if [ -f "${syntax}" ];
then
/usr/libexec/PlistBuddy -c \
"Print :scopeName" "${syntax}" \
/dev/null \fi;
grep -v "[\{\}]";
done;
fi)' \; \
sort -f
or
find $HOME -not \( -path $HOME/Library -prune \) \
-not \( -path $HOME/Downloads -prune \) \
-not \( -path $HOME/.cpan -prune \) \
-name '*.pl' \
-type f \
-exec grep ^use {} ';' \
awk '{print $2}' \-e '#' -e '5.' -e 'v5.10' \
sed 's/;//g' \
sort -u \
grep -v \
-e ^and \
-e ^Apache \
-e ^base \
-e ^bytes \
-e ^constant \
-e ^experimental \
-e ^feature \
-e ^fields \
-e ^hasn \
-e ^lib \
-e ^open \
-e ^routines. \
-e ^strict \
-e ^subs \
-e ^sysread \
-e ^use \
-e ^vars \
-e ^version \
-e ^warnings \
-e ^when
for example.
I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
for large scale file shifting.
I have no objections to Spotlight per se, but I haven't needed it
either.
el
On 2021-07-02 14:46 , Wolffan wrote:
On 2021 Jul 01, Bob Campbell wrote
(in article<G9OdnRZ_ovU-FUP9nZ2dnUU7-fnNnZ2d@supernews.com>):
On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
It seems I have to do it monthly (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Never. I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over
30 years of using computers - at home and at work - I have never needed to search for anything.
Interesting. I have a 2 TB HDD and a 1 TB SSD internally on this machine, and
have access to over 40 TB of storage, by USB, in a NAS, and in network connections to other computers, Mac, Windows, and Linux. Finding files in all
that would be non-trivial without using search. So... how _do_ you find files? How much storage is on your machine(s)? How much time do you spend moving around files and folders? What is your objection to using search?
In comp.sys.mac.apps Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
On 2021 Jul 01, Ant wrote
(in article<XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9nZ2dnUU7-QNQAAAA@earthlink.com>):
It seems I have to do it monthly (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
I???ve never manually rebuilt the Spotlight index in Big Sur. I last rebuilt
the Spotlight index manually five or six years ago. Doing an update install usually rebuilds the Spotlight index automatically on reboot. There is usually no reason to rebuild the index after that.
Why do you think that you need to rebuild the index? Are you having problems
with a search?
Yes, it doesn't see all the thousands of Office files in ~/Documents. Rebuilding Spotlight fixes it temporarily. :(
On 2021 Jul 02, Ant wrote
(in article<bZGdnUE8CMjNDkL9nZ2dnUU7-I9j4p2d@earthlink.com>):
In comp.sys.mac.apps Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
On 2021 Jul 01, Ant wrote
(in article<XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9nZ2dnUU7-QNQAAAA@earthlink.com>):
It seems I have to do it monthly
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all >>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
I???ve never manually rebuilt the Spotlight index in Big Sur. I last rebuilt
the Spotlight index manually five or six years ago. Doing an update install
usually rebuilds the Spotlight index automatically on reboot. There is
usually no reason to rebuild the index after that.
Why do you think that you need to rebuild the index? Are you having problems
with a search?
Yes, it doesn't see all the thousands of Office files in ~/Documents.
Rebuilding Spotlight fixes it temporarily. :(
Ah...
1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.
2 check your system; Spotlight isn’t supposed to lose files unless there’s a directory problem. Run Disk Utility.
3 create a _full_ backup, using Time Machine or a utility like Carbon Copy Cloner, or, preferably, _two_ backups, one with Time Machine and one with CCC
or whatever. Compare the backups. If there are differences, you have significant directory damage. Nuke the volume, do a full restore, using both backups. You almost certainly have low-level problems on that volume, doing a
full backup (two backups, and check to see if there are differences) a reformat and restore should fix it. Unless there’s a hardware problem, and you need a new drive.
Having to rebuild the Spotlight index all the time is not normal. It’s a sign that your volume has a problem. Fix the problem, not the symptom.
It seems I have to do it monthly
And don't insult.
And yet you still are unable to follow through on your announce having plunked me and yet you can't resist being trolled. Other than that,
what overweight script kiddies living in their parents' basements do
don't concern me much.
I find files like so:
find ~/Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/Managed/Bundles \
-depth 1 -name '*.tmbundle' \
-exec bash -c '
tput bold;
echo -n "$(defaults read "{}/info.plist" name): ";
tput sgr0;
echo $(if cd "{}/Syntaxes" 2>/dev/null;
then
for syntax in *.plist *.tmLanguage;
do
if [ -f "${syntax}" ];
then
/usr/libexec/PlistBuddy -c \
"Print :scopeName" "${syntax}" \
2>/dev/null \
| grep -v "[\{\}]";
fi;
done;
fi)' \; \
| sort -f
or
find $HOME -not \( -path $HOME/Library -prune \) \
-not \( -path $HOME/Downloads -prune \) \
-not \( -path $HOME/.cpan -prune \) \
-name '*.pl' \
-type f \
-exec grep ^use {} ';' \
|awk '{print $2}' \
|sed 's/;//g' \
|sort -u \
|grep -v \
-e '#' -e '5.' -e 'v5.10' \
-e ^and \
-e ^Apache \
-e ^base \
-e ^bytes \
-e ^constant \
-e ^experimental \
-e ^feature \
-e ^fields \
-e ^hasn \
-e ^lib \
-e ^open \
-e ^routines. \
-e ^strict \
-e ^subs \
-e ^sysread \
-e ^use \
-e ^vars \
-e ^version \
-e ^warnings \
-e ^when
for example.
I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
for large scale file shifting.
I have no objections to Spotlight per se, but I haven't needed it
either.
One of the first things I do with all my Macs is to DISABLE
Spotlight and never use it, ever.
On 2021 Jul 03, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote
(in article <ikahsbFahfgU3@mid.individual.net>):
Who's Ebie?
that’d be you, Ebie.
Your continual top-posting is one of the marks of the more idiotic trolls. Your inability to make interesting posts is another. Keep it up and you’ll be killfiled.
el
On 2021-07-02 20:18 , Wolffan wrote:
On 2021 Jul 02, Lewis wrote
(in article <slrnsdugsf.qb9.g.kreme@m1mini.local>):
In message<ik8631Fr6jvU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse
<nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
Ah, insecurity it is.
You are a troll shit and I claim my £5.
oh, there’s no doubt but that Ebie is a troll.
In article <ikaht1FahfgU4@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:--- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
And don't insult.
if you're going to ask others to not insult, it's a good idea to not do
so yourself.
In article <ikaii8FalpoU1@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
And yet you still are unable to follow through on your announce having
plunked me and yet you can't resist being trolled. Other than that,
what overweight script kiddies living in their parents' basements do
don't concern me much.
On 2021 Jul 03, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote
(in article <ikaj5sFapbsU1@mid.individual.net>):
I find files like so:
find ~/Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/Managed/Bundles \
-depth 1 -name '*.tmbundle' \
-exec bash -c '
tput bold;
echo -n "$(defaults read "{}/info.plist" name): ";
tput sgr0;
echo $(if cd "{}/Syntaxes" 2>/dev/null;
then
for syntax in *.plist *.tmLanguage;
do
if [ -f "${syntax}" ];
then
/usr/libexec/PlistBuddy -c \
"Print :scopeName" "${syntax}" \
/dev/null \fi;
grep -v "[\{\}]";
done;
fi)' \; \
sort -f
or
find $HOME -not \( -path $HOME/Library -prune \) \
-not \( -path $HOME/Downloads -prune \) \
-not \( -path $HOME/.cpan -prune \) \
-name '*.pl' \
-type f \
-exec grep ^use {} ';' \
awk '{print $2}' \-e '#' -e '5.' -e 'v5.10' \
sed 's/;//g' \
sort -u \
grep -v \
-e ^and \
-e ^Apache \
-e ^base \
-e ^bytes \
-e ^constant \
-e ^experimental \
-e ^feature \
-e ^fields \
-e ^hasn \
-e ^lib \
-e ^open \
-e ^routines. \
-e ^strict \
-e ^subs \
-e ^sysread \
-e ^use \
-e ^vars \
-e ^version \
-e ^warnings \
-e ^when
for example.
I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
for large scale file shifting.
I have no objections to Spotlight per se, but I haven't needed it
either.
el
going to a lot of trouble writing scripts vs just using the built in search feature... decisions, decisions.
giving a damn about a troll’s opinions... hmm, nope.
Say bye, Ebie. You’re about to be plonked.
On 2021-07-02 14:46 , Wolffan wrote:
On 2021 Jul 01, Bob Campbell wrote
(in article<G9OdnRZ_ovU-FUP9nZ2dnUU7-fnNnZ2d@supernews.com>):
On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
It seems I have to do it monthly
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all >>>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in >>>>> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Never. I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over
30 years of using computers - at home and at work - I have never needed >>>> to search for anything.
Interesting. I have a 2 TB HDD and a 1 TB SSD internally on this machine, >>> and
have access to over 40 TB of storage, by USB, in a NAS, and in network
connections to other computers, Mac, Windows, and Linux. Finding files in >>> all
that would be non-trivial without using search. So... how _do_ you find
files? How much storage is on your machine(s)? How much time do you spend >>> moving around files and folders? What is your objection to using search?
In article <ikaj5sFapbsU1@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
I find files like so:
find ~/Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/Managed/Bundles \
-depth 1 -name '*.tmbundle' \
-exec bash -c '
tput bold;
echo -n "$(defaults read "{}/info.plist" name): ";
tput sgr0;
echo $(if cd "{}/Syntaxes" 2>/dev/null;
then
for syntax in *.plist *.tmLanguage;
do
if [ -f "${syntax}" ];
then
/usr/libexec/PlistBuddy -c \
"Print :scopeName" "${syntax}" \
2>/dev/null \
| grep -v "[\{\}]";
fi;
done;
fi)' \; \
| sort -f
or
find $HOME -not \( -path $HOME/Library -prune \) \
-not \( -path $HOME/Downloads -prune \) \
-not \( -path $HOME/.cpan -prune \) \
-name '*.pl' \
-type f \
-exec grep ^use {} ';' \
|awk '{print $2}' \
|sed 's/;//g' \
|sort -u \
|grep -v \
-e '#' -e '5.' -e 'v5.10' \
-e ^and \
-e ^Apache \
-e ^base \
-e ^bytes \
-e ^constant \
-e ^experimental \
-e ^feature \
-e ^fields \
-e ^hasn \
-e ^lib \
-e ^open \
-e ^routines. \
-e ^strict \
-e ^subs \
-e ^sysread \
-e ^use \
-e ^vars \
-e ^version \
-e ^warnings \
-e ^when
for example.
looks like 'idiot' was actually a compliment.
even an idiot is not stupid enough to think the above is a good idea.
you're also a hypocrite for calling others 'overweight script kiddies'
when you have your own fucked up script, one which a true script
kiddie would laugh at.
I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
for large scale file shifting.
what you're doing is not only very slow, highly inefficient and
*extremely* limited, but it's also *lot* of effort to maintain and fundamentally broken.
the computer is there to do the work for you, not the other way
around.
I have no objections to Spotlight per se, but I haven't needed it
either.
you obviously do have objections to it along with greatly limiting
your ability to effectively search.
On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:--- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
It seems I have to do it monthly
Answer here: NEVER.
One of the first things I do with all my Macs is to DISABLE Spotlight
and never use it, ever.
I use "EasyFind" and "Find Any File" when I need to "search" for
something...
Leave the Applications enabled or you loose the Software Update, unless
this is not a required feature.
Aha.
Besides that I did not say either was a good idea, or easy to maintain,
both do the job. The former isn't even my own idea, comes from the
TextMate Support Group, but you of course can easily find the scopenames
of all installed TextMate2 bundles with Spotlight.
And you can easily find in Spotlight the CPAM modules used in all Perl scripts other then the ones in Library Downloads and the CPAN modules
itself, of course.
It takes no effort whatsoever to maintain, in particular since there is
no need to maintain.
I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
for large scale file shifting.
But then why am I explaining myself to children when I could rather
troll them?
On 2021-07-03 18:59 , nospam wrote:
In article <ikaht1FahfgU4@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
And don't insult.
if you're going to ask others to not insult, it's a good idea to not do
so yourself.
Agreed. This is why I don't do it.
el
On 2021-07-03 18:59 , nospam wrote:
In article <ikaj5sFapbsU1@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
I find files like so:
find ~/Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/Managed/Bundles \
-depth 1 -name '*.tmbundle' \
-exec bash -c '
tput bold;
echo -n "$(defaults read "{}/info.plist" name): ";
tput sgr0;
echo $(if cd "{}/Syntaxes" 2>/dev/null;
then
for syntax in *.plist *.tmLanguage;
do
if [ -f "${syntax}" ];
then
/usr/libexec/PlistBuddy -c \
"Print :scopeName" "${syntax}" \
2>/dev/null \
| grep -v "[\{\}]";
fi;
done;
fi)' \; \
| sort -f
or
find $HOME -not \( -path $HOME/Library -prune \) \
-not \( -path $HOME/Downloads -prune \) \
-not \( -path $HOME/.cpan -prune \) \
-name '*.pl' \
-type f \
-exec grep ^use {} ';' \
|awk '{print $2}' \
|sed 's/;//g' \
|sort -u \
|grep -v \
-e '#' -e '5.' -e 'v5.10' \
-e ^and \
-e ^Apache \
-e ^base \
-e ^bytes \
-e ^constant \
-e ^experimental \
-e ^feature \
-e ^fields \
-e ^hasn \
-e ^lib \
-e ^open \
-e ^routines. \
-e ^strict \
-e ^subs \
-e ^sysread \
-e ^use \
-e ^vars \
-e ^version \
-e ^warnings \
-e ^when
for example.
looks like 'idiot' was actually a compliment.
even an idiot is not stupid enough to think the above is a good idea.
you're also a hypocrite for calling others 'overweight script kiddies'
when you have your own fucked up script, one which a true script
kiddie would laugh at.
I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
for large scale file shifting.
what you're doing is not only very slow, highly inefficient and
*extremely* limited, but it's also *lot* of effort to maintain and fundamentally broken.
the computer is there to do the work for you, not the other way
around.
I have no objections to Spotlight per se, but I haven't needed it
either.
you obviously do have objections to it along with greatly limiting
your ability to effectively search.
On 03 Jul 2021 at 20:43:57 BST, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
Leave the Applications enabled or you loose the Software Update, unless this is not a required feature.
On whom would he be loosing it?
On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
It seems I have to do it monthly
Answer here: NEVER.
One of the first things I do with all my Macs is to DISABLE
Spotlight and never use it, ever.
I use "EasyFind" and "Find Any File" when I need to "search"
for something...
On 2021-07-03, Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
On 2021 Jul 02, Ant wrote
(in article<bZGdnUE8CMjNDkL9nZ2dnUU7-I9j4p2d@earthlink.com>):
In comp.sys.mac.apps Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
On 2021 Jul 01, Ant wrote
(in article<XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9nZ2dnUU7-QNQAAAA@earthlink.com>):
It seems I have to do it monthly
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all >>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in >>>> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
I???ve never manually rebuilt the Spotlight index in Big Sur. I last rebuilt
the Spotlight index manually five or six years ago. Doing an update install
usually rebuilds the Spotlight index automatically on reboot. There is >> > usually no reason to rebuild the index after that.
Why do you think that you need to rebuild the index? Are you having problems
with a search?
Yes, it doesn't see all the thousands of Office files in ~/Documents.
Rebuilding Spotlight fixes it temporarily. :(
Ah...
1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.
2 check your system; Spotlight isn???t supposed to lose files unless there???s a directory problem. Run Disk Utility.
3 create a _full_ backup, using Time Machine or a utility like Carbon Copy Cloner, or, preferably, _two_ backups, one with Time Machine and one with CCC
or whatever. Compare the backups. If there are differences, you have significant directory damage. Nuke the volume, do a full restore, using both
backups. You almost certainly have low-level problems on that volume, doing a
full backup (two backups, and check to see if there are differences) a reformat and restore should fix it. Unless there???s a hardware problem, and
you need a new drive.
Having to rebuild the Spotlight index all the time is not normal. It???s a sign that your volume has a problem. Fix the problem, not the symptom.
Yep. Something is definitely wrong.
On 2021-07-03, Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
On 2021 Jul 02, Ant wrote
(in article<bZGdnUE8CMjNDkL9nZ2dnUU7-I9j4p2d@earthlink.com>):
In comp.sys.mac.apps Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
On 2021 Jul 01, Ant wrote
(in article<XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9nZ2dnUU7-QNQAAAA@earthlink.com>):
It seems I have to do it monthly
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all >>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in >>>> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
I???ve never manually rebuilt the Spotlight index in Big Sur. I last rebuilt
the Spotlight index manually five or six years ago. Doing an update install
usually rebuilds the Spotlight index automatically on reboot. There is >> > usually no reason to rebuild the index after that.
Why do you think that you need to rebuild the index? Are you having problems
with a search?
Yes, it doesn't see all the thousands of Office files in ~/Documents.
Rebuilding Spotlight fixes it temporarily. :(
Ah...
1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.
2 check your system; Spotlight isn???t supposed to lose files unless there???s a directory problem. Run Disk Utility.
3 create a _full_ backup, using Time Machine or a utility like Carbon Copy Cloner, or, preferably, _two_ backups, one with Time Machine and one with CCC
or whatever. Compare the backups. If there are differences, you have significant directory damage. Nuke the volume, do a full restore, using both
backups. You almost certainly have low-level problems on that volume, doing a
full backup (two backups, and check to see if there are differences) a reformat and restore should fix it. Unless there???s a hardware problem, and
you need a new drive.
Having to rebuild the Spotlight index all the time is not normal. It???s a sign that your volume has a problem. Fix the problem, not the symptom.
Yep. Something is definitely wrong.
In article <ikbsqmFil63U1@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
Aha.
Besides that I did not say either was a good idea, or easy to maintain,
both do the job. The former isn't even my own idea, comes from the
TextMate Support Group, but you of course can easily find the scopenames
of all installed TextMate2 bundles with Spotlight.
it doesn't do the job, nor can it. it's fundamentally broken, along
with being slow and inefficient at what little it does do.
the real problem is you have *no* clue as to why that is.
And you can easily find in Spotlight the CPAM modules used in all Perl
scripts other then the ones in Library Downloads and the CPAN modules
itself, of course.
It takes no effort whatsoever to maintain, in particular since there is
no need to maintain.
it takes quite a bit of effort, by your own admission:
I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
for large scale file shifting.
But then why am I explaining myself to children when I could rather
troll them?
what were you saying about not insulting?
In article <ikbs6oFig77U3@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
On 2021-07-03 18:59 , nospam wrote:
In article <ikaht1FahfgU4@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W LisseAgreed. This is why I don't do it.
<nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
And don't insult.
if you're going to ask others to not insult, it's a good idea to not do
so yourself.
top posting fixed.
not only do you continue to insult, but your trolling skills suck and
you are a liar.
--- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
el
On 2021-07-03 18:59 , nospam wrote:
In article <ikaj5sFapbsU1@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
<nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
I find files like so:
find ~/Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/Managed/Bundles \
-depth 1 -name '*.tmbundle' \
-exec bash -c '
tput bold;
echo -n "$(defaults read "{}/info.plist" name): ";
tput sgr0;
echo $(if cd "{}/Syntaxes" 2>/dev/null;
then
for syntax in *.plist *.tmLanguage;
do
if [ -f "${syntax}" ];
then
/usr/libexec/PlistBuddy -c \
"Print :scopeName" "${syntax}" \
2>/dev/null \
| grep -v "[\{\}]";
fi;
done;
fi)' \; \
| sort -f
or
find $HOME -not \( -path $HOME/Library -prune \) \
-not \( -path $HOME/Downloads -prune \) \
-not \( -path $HOME/.cpan -prune \) \
-name '*.pl' \
-type f \
-exec grep ^use {} ';' \
|awk '{print $2}' \
|sed 's/;//g' \
|sort -u \
|grep -v \
-e '#' -e '5.' -e 'v5.10' \
-e ^and \
-e ^Apache \
-e ^base \
-e ^bytes \
-e ^constant \
-e ^experimental \
-e ^feature \
-e ^fields \
-e ^hasn \
-e ^lib \
-e ^open \
-e ^routines. \
-e ^strict \
-e ^subs \
-e ^sysread \
-e ^use \
-e ^vars \
-e ^version \
-e ^warnings \
-e ^when
for example.
looks like 'idiot' was actually a compliment.
even an idiot is not stupid enough to think the above is a good idea.
you're also a hypocrite for calling others 'overweight script kiddies'
when you have your own fucked up script, one which a true script
kiddie would laugh at.
I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
for large scale file shifting.
what you're doing is not only very slow, highly inefficient and
*extremely* limited, but it's also *lot* of effort to maintain and
fundamentally broken.
the computer is there to do the work for you, not the other way
around.
I have no objections to Spotlight per se, but I haven't needed it
either.
you obviously do have objections to it along with greatly limiting
your ability to effectively search.
On 03 Jul 2021 at 20:43:57 BST, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
Leave the Applications enabled or you loose the Software Update, unless
this is not a required feature.
On whom would he be loosing it?
My understanding is that Sftware Update doesn't work if you
remove Applications from SPolight.
el
On 2021-07-03 21:59 , TimS wrote:
On 03 Jul 2021 at 20:43:57 BST, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA>
wrote:
Leave the Applications enabled or you loose the Software Update, unless
this is not a required feature.
On whom would he be loosing it?
On 2021-07-04 3:15 p.m., Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
My understanding is that Sftware Update doesn't work if you
remove Applications from SPolight.
Your understanding based on...
...what?
el
On 2021-07-03 21:59 , TimS wrote:
On 03 Jul 2021 at 20:43:57 BST, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
Leave the Applications enabled or you loose the Software Update, unless >>>> this is not a required feature.
On whom would he be loosing it?
It seems I have to do it monthly
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
It seems I have to do it monthlyNow that I read your message again, it rings a bell. Years ago, I
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
started using OpenOffice. The default for text files is .ODT.
I discovered that Spotlight wouldn't always find ODT files whose content contained the search term. For some reason, if I rebuilt Spotlight, it
would show some of the ODT files with the term.
I used to know how to view the components of an ODT file. I wish I knew
how to do it now. It saves the text as a ZIP file. DOCX also uses ZIP. Evidently, Spotlight normally ignores ZIP files.
For years, I hoped this would be fixed in an OS update. If Apple hasn't fixed it, I should.
Will EasyFind search contents of ZIP files? If there's no way to search them, I need to convert ODT files to another format. What's a good searchable format for word processor documents?
Having removed Applications from Spotlight.
el
On 05/07/2021 00:18, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-07-04 3:15 p.m., Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
My understanding is that Sftware Update doesn't work if you
remove Applications from SPolight.
Your understanding based on...
...what?
el
On 2021-07-03 21:59 , TimS wrote:
On 03 Jul 2021 at 20:43:57 BST, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
<nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
Leave the Applications enabled or you loose the Software Update,
unless
this is not a required feature.
On whom would he be loosing it?
On 2021-07-05 1:59 a.m., Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:[...]
Having removed Applications from Spotlight.
How did you remove Applications from Spotlight...
...and for goodness sake... ...WHY?
Klicking it off in System Preferences -> Spotlight -> Search Results
Experimenting.
el
On 2021-07-05 23:07 , Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-07-05 1:59 a.m., Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:[...]
Having removed Applications from Spotlight.
How did you remove Applications from Spotlight...
...and for goodness sake... ...WHY?
On 2021-07-05 4:05 p.m., Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
Klicking it off in System Preferences -> Spotlight -> Search Results
Experimenting.
el
On 2021-07-05 23:07 , Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-07-05 1:59 a.m., Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:[...]
Having removed Applications from Spotlight.
How did you remove Applications from Spotlight...
...and for goodness sake... ...WHY?
And did you actually see that it wouldn't find updates...
...or did you just read it on the internet?
The words Klicking and Experimenting would imply I actually did that.
A few years (OS versions ago). SInce then I turn everything but
Applications
off.
el
On 2021-07-06 01:07 , Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-07-05 4:05 p.m., Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
Klicking it off in System Preferences -> Spotlight -> Search Results
Experimenting.
el
On 2021-07-05 23:07 , Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-07-05 1:59 a.m., Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:[...]
Having removed Applications from Spotlight.
How did you remove Applications from Spotlight...
...and for goodness sake... ...WHY?
And did you actually see that it wouldn't find updates...
...or did you just read it on the internet?
And did you actually see that it wouldn't find updates...
...or did you just read it on the internet?
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
And did you actually see that it wouldn't find updates...
...or did you just read it on the internet?
He's not correct anyways.
I've had everything (yes, everything) deselected in Spotlight for the past few years and I still get periodic software update notifications.
Turning everything off only disables the command-spacebar search from doing anything, which is fine because I never found a practical use for that and really only need to find file names, which still works fine with the finder search.
-bruce
bje@ripco.com
In article <sc19mh$su7$1@remote6hme0.ripco.com>, <bje@ripco.com> wrote:
And did you actually see that it wouldn't find updates...
...or did you just read it on the internet?
He's not correct anyways.
no surprise there. he's quite clueless.
I've had everything (yes, everything) deselected in Spotlight for the past >> few years and I still get periodic software update notifications.
that is normal.
disabling spotlight entirely will cause problems.
Clue thy name is nospam...
el
On 06/07/2021 13:24, nospam wrote:
In article <sc19mh$su7$1@remote6hme0.ripco.com>, <bje@ripco.com> wrote:
And did you actually see that it wouldn't find updates...
...or did you just read it on the internet?
He's not correct anyways.
no surprise there. he's quite clueless.
I've had everything (yes, everything) deselected in Spotlight for the past >>> few years and I still get periodic software update notifications.
that is normal.
disabling spotlight entirely will cause problems.
[...]
Important: If you exclude certain files and folders you may not be
notified when updates become available for some apps. If you
exclude your entire internal disk, you won?t be notified about any
updates.
[...]
From
https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/change-spotlight-preferences-mchlp2811/mac
[...]
    Important: If you exclude certain files and folders you may not be
    notified when updates become available for some apps. If you
    exclude your entire internal disk, you won’t be notified about any
    updates.
[...]
On 06/07/2021 16:23, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
Clue thy name is nospam...
el
On 06/07/2021 13:24, nospam wrote:
In article <sc19mh$su7$1@remote6hme0.ripco.com>, <bje@ripco.com> wrote:
And did you actually see that it wouldn't find updates...
...or did you just read it on the internet?
He's not correct anyways.
no surprise there. he's quite clueless.
I've had everything (yes, everything) deselected in Spotlight for
the past
few years and I still get periodic software update notifications.
that is normal.
disabling spotlight entirely will cause problems.
On 2021-07-06 7:36 a.m., Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:[...]
From
https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/change-spotlight-preferences-mchlp2811/mac
[...]
     Important: If you exclude certain files and folders you may not be
     notified when updates become available for some apps. If you
     exclude your entire internal disk, you won’t be notified about any
     updates.
[...]
As I thought: you read it on the internet.
That is if you add certain folders in the PRIVACY tab.
NOT remove the category from Search Results.
Yada, yada, yada...
quite lame actually.
el
On 2021-07-06 18:41 , Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-07-06 7:36 a.m., Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:[...]
From
https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/change-spotlight-preferences-mchlp2811/mac
[...]
     Important: If you exclude certain files and folders you may not be
     notified when updates become available for some apps. If you >>>      exclude your entire internal disk, you won’t be notified about any
     updates.
[...]
As I thought: you read it on the internet.
That is if you add certain folders in the PRIVACY tab.
NOT remove the category from Search Results.
On 2021-07-06 3:39 p.m., Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:[...]
Yada, yada, yada...
quite lame actually.
I notice you don't actually deny that I accurately described what you
did...
...and the article that you excerpted the part of the article that
explicitly said that the information you provided pertained solely to
using the option exclude certain files and folders.
Your childish meta-discussion about the exegesis of posts made or not
made is boring. Or perhaps, your boring meta-discussion about the
exegesis of posts made or not made is childish.
Point is, that if one turns off Spotlight one may lose Update
notifications.
And further point is, that if one clicks off everything but Applications
(and perhaps also the home directory), this should conserve Updates
while taking much less time and resources for the indexing (which is
what bothers most most as it can slow down the machine). The size of
the index doesn't matter these days much any more.
el
On 07/07/2021 00:50, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-07-06 3:39 p.m., Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:[...]
Yada, yada, yada...
quite lame actually.
I notice you don't actually deny that I accurately described what you
did...
...and the article that you excerpted the part of the article that
explicitly said that the information you provided pertained solely to
using the option exclude certain files and folders.
On 2021-07-07 2:59 a.m., Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
Your childish meta-discussion about the exegesis of posts made or not
made is boring. Or perhaps, your boring meta-discussion about the
exegesis of posts made or not made is childish.
Point is, that if one turns off Spotlight one may lose Update
notifications.
Nope.
The point is that you claimed to do one thing, but then your posted article was about another.
I guess that's why you once again snipped the information I provided that showed that.
And further point is, that if one clicks off everything but Applications
(and perhaps also the home directory), this should conserve Updates
while taking much less time and resources for the indexing (which is
what bothers most most as it can slow down the machine). The size of
the index doesn't matter these days much any more.
Actually, after the index is first built, the ongoing indexing takes almost no time at all.
Another thing you clearly don't understand.
el
On 07/07/2021 00:50, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-07-06 3:39 p.m., Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:[...]
Yada, yada, yada...
quite lame actually.
I notice you don't actually deny that I accurately described what you
did...
...and the article that you excerpted the part of the article that
explicitly said that the information you provided pertained solely to
using the option exclude certain files and folders.
Having to rebuild the Spotlight index all the time is not normal. It???s a
sign that your volume has a problem. Fix the problem, not the symptom.
Yep. Something is definitely wrong.
Yeah, I need to figure out what is wrong since it happened again late
last night after reindexing a few days ago. It was not finding all
matched Office documents in Documents folder (almost 1,700 files and 16
GB). 2020 Intel MacBook Pro's Disk Utility app found nothing wrong.
Reboot didn't help. :(
Ah...
1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.
2 check your system; Spotlight isn???t supposed to lose files unless there???s a directory problem. Run Disk Utility.
3 create a _full_ backup, using Time Machine or a utility like Carbon Copy Cloner, or, preferably, _two_ backups, one with Time Machine and one with CCC
or whatever. Compare the backups. If there are differences, you have significant directory damage. Nuke the volume, do a full restore, using both backups. You almost certainly have low-level problems on that volume, doing a
full backup (two backups, and check to see if there are differences) a reformat and restore should fix it. Unless there???s a hardware problem, and you need a new drive.
In comp.sys.mac.software Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
...
Ah...
1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.
My elder client loves to stuff everything in ~/Documents including
images, audios, and videos. I told him not to do that. He doesn't
listen. :(
2 check your system; Spotlight isn???t supposed to lose files unless
there???s a directory problem. Run Disk Utility.
Disk Utility app found no problems in SSD and all of its default partitions.
We will try that when it's really bad. We do use Time Machine with
external HDDs. I am sure the physical SSD is fine. I wonder if the
Chinese documents, since Windows 98 days, are messing up Spotlight
index.
My elder client loves to stuff everything in ~/Documents including
images, audios, and videos. I told him not to do that. He doesn't
listen. :(
He's right. There is no reason other than one's own sense of
organization, tp specialize folders. You can certainly put all your data
into a single folder if that is what works for you.
The main exception was, though I think no longer is, the Desktop folder
where having too many items on it would cause various annoyances and slow-downs.
In message <9f-dncK4gdGiZ3r9nZ2dnUU7-WudnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
In comp.sys.mac.software Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
...
Ah...
1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.
My elder client loves to stuff everything in ~/Documents including
images, audios, and videos. I told him not to do that. He doesn't
listen. :(
He's right. There is no reason other than one's own sense of
organization, tp specialize folders. You can certainly put all your data
into a single folder if that is what works for you.
The main exception was, though I think no longer is, the Desktop folder
where having too many items on it would cause various annoyances and slow-downs.
Despite the advice, using sub folders will not make the slightest impact
on Spotlight.
2 check your system; Spotlight isn???t supposed to lose files unless
there???s a directory problem. Run Disk Utility.
Disk Utility app found no problems in SSD and all of its default partitions.
I suspect the issue it the Office.mdimporter file, since it is office
files that seem to be the issue.
We will try that when it's really bad. We do use Time Machine with external HDDs. I am sure the physical SSD is fine. I wonder if the
Chinese documents, since Windows 98 days, are messing up Spotlight
index.
That makes me suspect the Office.mdimporter even more.
In comp.sys.mac.apps Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
That makes me suspect the Office.mdimporter even more.
So, what should I try with it? What do I run in Terminal with it if reindexing all of my client's datas doesn't work?
In article <slrnsegifm.1il6.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
My elder client loves to stuff everything in ~/Documents including
images, audios, and videos. I told him not to do that. He doesn't
listen. :(
He's right. There is no reason other than one's own sense of
organization, tp specialize folders. You can certainly put all your data
into a single folder if that is what works for you.
The main exception was, though I think no longer is, the Desktop folder
where having too many items on it would cause various annoyances and
slow-downs.
that hasn't been an issue since at least as far back as tiger/10.4 or panther/10.3 (don't remember exactly when) and macs which had
relatively small amounts of memory.
My elder client loves to stuff everything in ~/Documents including
images, audios, and videos. I told him not to do that. He doesn't
listen. :(
He's right. There is no reason other than one's own sense of
organization, tp specialize folders. You can certainly put all your data >> into a single folder if that is what works for you.
The main exception was, though I think no longer is, the Desktop folder
where having too many items on it would cause various annoyances and
slow-downs.
that hasn't been an issue since at least as far back as tiger/10.4 or panther/10.3 (don't remember exactly when) and macs which had
relatively small amounts of memory.
I thought I remembered someone having issues in Lion in this group, but
it was thousands of files on the desktop. I could be misremembering.
In message <Pq-dnavmp5EHNHX9nZ2dnUU7-KfNnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
In comp.sys.mac.apps Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
That makes me suspect the Office.mdimporter even more.
So, what should I try with it? What do I run in Terminal with it if reindexing all of my client's datas doesn't work?
I have no advice on that as I do not use MS Word at all and have not for
many many years. My word processing needs are nearly-non existent, and
for the few documents I need to "word process" I will generally use
Pages, or if it is simple, markdown -> HMTL.
I *detest* all versions of Word after 5.1 (Mac), and that version does
not run on any OS in the last 20+ years.
mention that Office is v16.50 (365 subscription from USC.edu). https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7368240 mentioned putting HD (SSD
in my case) into Spotlight's preferences' privacy tab to remove all and reindex all beside ~/Documents. Now, I need to wait for Spotlight to
reindex ALL datas in this account. :(
In article <slrnsehkn7.2js5.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
My elder client loves to stuff everything in ~/Documents including
images, audios, and videos. I told him not to do that. He doesn't
listen. :(
He's right. There is no reason other than one's own sense of
organization, tp specialize folders. You can certainly put all your data >> >> into a single folder if that is what works for you.
The main exception was, though I think no longer is, the Desktop folder >> >> where having too many items on it would cause various annoyances and
slow-downs.
that hasn't been an issue since at least as far back as tiger/10.4 or
panther/10.3 (don't remember exactly when) and macs which had
relatively small amounts of memory.
I thought I remembered someone having issues in Lion in this group, but
it was thousands of files on the desktop. I could be misremembering.
thousands of files in *any* folder is going to cause problems.
I miss the old days. I haven't killed anyone in years.
I thought I remembered someone having issues in Lion in this group, but
it was thousands of files on the desktop. I could be misremembering.
thousands of files in *any* folder is going to cause problems.
Not on a modern machine/OS it doesn't. There are 37,336 files in a
single folder in my Documents folder. The only issue is that the first
time I open that folder, it takes about 10-20 seconds to load the Finder window.
In article <slrnsejcf8.2iu1.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
I thought I remembered someone having issues in Lion in this group, but >> >> it was thousands of files on the desktop. I could be misremembering.
thousands of files in *any* folder is going to cause problems.
Not on a modern machine/OS it doesn't. There are 37,336 files in a
single folder in my Documents folder. The only issue is that the first
time I open that folder, it takes about 10-20 seconds to load the Finder
window.
10-20 seconds to open a window would be considered to be a problem.
In article <slrnsejcf8.2iu1.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
I thought I remembered someone having issues in Lion in this group, but >>>> it was thousands of files on the desktop. I could be misremembering.
thousands of files in *any* folder is going to cause problems.
Not on a modern machine/OS it doesn't. There are 37,336 files in a
single folder in my Documents folder. The only issue is that the first
time I open that folder, it takes about 10-20 seconds to load the Finder
window.
10-20 seconds to open a window would be considered to be a problem.
In message <Pq-dnavmp5EHNHX9nZ2dnUU7-KfNnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
In comp.sys.mac.apps Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
That makes me suspect the Office.mdimporter even more.
So, what should I try with it? What do I run in Terminal with it if reindexing all of my client's datas doesn't work?
I have no advice on that as I do not use MS Word at all and have not for
many many years. My word processing needs are nearly-non existent, and
for the few documents I need to "word process" I will generally use
Pages, or if it is simple, markdown -> HMTL.
I *detest* all versions of Word after 5.1 (Mac), and that version does
not run on any OS in the last 20+ years.
In article <slrnsehkl4.2js5.g.kreme@m1mini.local>,
Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
In message <Pq-dnavmp5EHNHX9nZ2dnUU7-KfNnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
In comp.sys.mac.apps Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
That makes me suspect the Office.mdimporter even more.
So, what should I try with it? What do I run in Terminal with it if
reindexing all of my client's datas doesn't work?
I have no advice on that as I do not use MS Word at all and have not for
many many years. My word processing needs are nearly-non existent, and
for the few documents I need to "word process" I will generally use
Pages, or if it is simple, markdown -> HMTL.
I *detest* all versions of Word after 5.1 (Mac), and that version does
not run on any OS in the last 20+ years.
I can run 5.1 and 11.6.1 (part of Office 2004) on my old PowerPC G4 with Tiger.
--- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113Trying?if you quote yoda, i swear upon everything holy that i will book a
flight to okinawa to kick your ass.
In message <super70s-C8105C.18033511072021@reader02.eternal-september.org> super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
In article <slrnsehkl4.2js5.g.kreme@m1mini.local>,
Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
I *detest* all versions of Word after 5.1 (Mac), and that version does
not run on any OS in the last 20+ years.
I can run 5.1 and 11.6.1 (part of Office 2004) on my old PowerPC G4 with Tiger.
No, you can run 5.1 in a MacOS 9 CLASSIC environment running under
Tiger,
So no, Word 5.1 cannot run on any OS in the last 22 years (MacOS 9 was released in 1999).
Other than an April 1 issue of TidBITS back in 2003, there was never a versions of Word 5.1 for Mac OS X.
On 2021-07-05 1:46 p.m., J Burns wrote:
On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
It seems I have to do it monthlyNow that I read your message again, it rings a bell. Years ago, I
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
started using OpenOffice. The default for text files is .ODT.
I discovered that Spotlight wouldn't always find ODT files whose
content contained the search term. For some reason, if I rebuilt
Spotlight, it would show some of the ODT files with the term.
I used to know how to view the components of an ODT file. I wish I
knew how to do it now. It saves the text as a ZIP file. DOCX also
uses ZIP. Evidently, Spotlight normally ignores ZIP files.
For years, I hoped this would be fixed in an OS update. If Apple
hasn't fixed it, I should.
Will EasyFind search contents of ZIP files? If there's no way to
search them, I need to convert ODT files to another format. What's a
good searchable format for word processor documents?
'LibreOffice comes with a Spotlight importer in its bundle. You can
confirm this with the following terminal command:
    /usr/bin/mdimport -L
, which lists available importers and included in this list should be:
"/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.
mdimporter"'
<https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7484775>
And running "mdimport -L" on my own system shows:
'"/Applications/OpenOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter",
On 7/5/21 5:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-07-05 1:46 p.m., J Burns wrote:
Darn! I got distracted and just now remembered that I'd posted a
question!
When I ask Terminal for a list, the two Applications importers are Thunderbird and LibreOffice.
Under Applications in the Finder, when I check the Contents of
LibreOffice and OpenOffice, each has its importer in Libraries. I
wonder why the OpenOffice importer doesn't show up in /user/bin.
On 2021-07-16, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
On 7/5/21 5:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-07-05 1:46 p.m., J Burns wrote:
Darn! I got distracted and just now remembered that I'd posted a
question!
Well let's see how long it takes you to respond to this...
When I ask Terminal for a list, the two Applications importers are
Thunderbird and LibreOffice.
What do you mean by "ask Terminal for a list"?
Are you trying to say you ran "mdimport -L" in Terminal, and you did see
an importer for LibreOffice in that listing?
Under Applications in the Finder, when I check the Contents of
LibreOffice and OpenOffice, each has its importer in Libraries. I
wonder why the OpenOffice importer doesn't show up in /user/bin.
Importers aren't in /usr/bin - that's where the mdimport tools is
installed. Importers are typically installed in one of the "Library" directories or inside of application bundles.
On 7/16/21 3:28 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2021-07-16, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
On 7/5/21 5:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-07-05 1:46 p.m., J Burns wrote:
Darn! I got distracted and just now remembered that I'd posted a
question!
Well let's see how long it takes you to respond to this...
When I ask Terminal for a list, the two Applications importers are
Thunderbird and LibreOffice.
What do you mean by "ask Terminal for a list"?
Are you trying to say you ran "mdimport -L" in Terminal, and you did see
an importer for LibreOffice in that listing?
Yes.
"/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImport er.mdimporter",
"/Applications/Thunderbird.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/thunderbird.mdimpo rter"
In the Open Office application bundle, in the Spotlight folder, I find OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter
Under Applications in the Finder, when I check the Contents of
LibreOffice and OpenOffice, each has its importer in Libraries. I
wonder why the OpenOffice importer doesn't show up in /user/bin.
Importers aren't in /usr/bin - that's where the mdimport tools is
installed. Importers are typically installed in one of the "Library"
directories or inside of application bundles.
But "mdimport -L" doesn't seem to find it.
Spotlight will find some but not all ODT documents with a certain name
in their content. It looks as if it hasn't seen the content of those
that haven't been opened in years.
Lately, I've been repeatedly sidetracked researching the history of
bicycles.
On 7/16/21 3:28 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2021-07-16, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
On 7/5/21 5:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-07-05 1:46 p.m., J Burns wrote:
Darn! I got distracted and just now remembered that I'd posted a
question!
Well let's see how long it takes you to respond to this...
When I ask Terminal for a list, the two Applications importers are
Thunderbird and LibreOffice.
What do you mean by "ask Terminal for a list"?
Are you trying to say you ran "mdimport -L" in Terminal, and you did see
an importer for LibreOffice in that listing?
Yes.
"/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter",
"/Applications/Thunderbird.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/thunderbird.mdimporter"
In the Open Office application bundle, in the Spotlight folder, I find OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporterUnder Applications in the Finder, when I check the Contents of
LibreOffice and OpenOffice, each has its importer in Libraries. I
wonder why the OpenOffice importer doesn't show up in /user/bin.
Importers aren't in /usr/bin - that's where the mdimport tools is
installed. Importers are typically installed in one of the "Library"
directories or inside of application bundles.
But "mdimport -L" doesn't seem to find it.
Are you trying to say you ran "mdimport -L" in Terminal, and you did see
an importer for LibreOffice in that listing?
Yes.
"/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter"
Spotlight will find some but not all ODT documents with a certain name
in their content. It looks as if it hasn't seen the content of those
that haven't been opened in years.
Lately, I've been repeatedly sidetracked researching the history of bicycles.
If I had to guess, I'd say this is due to a bug in the LibreOffice
Spotlight plugin.
If I had to guess, I'd say this is due to a bug in the LibreOffice Spotlight plugin.
A bug in LibreOffice? UNPOSSIBLE! <VBG>
In article <slrnsg10bg.16d1.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
If I had to guess, I'd say this is due to a bug in the LibreOffice
Spotlight plugin.
A bug in LibreOffice? UNPOSSIBLE! <VBG>
it's what they do best.
In message <270720211842368486%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <slrnsg10bg.16d1.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
If I had to guess, I'd say this is due to a bug in the LibreOffice
Spotlight plugin.
A bug in LibreOffice? UNPOSSIBLE! <VBG>
it's what they do best.
To be fair, they are largely copying MS Office functionality, perhaps
they are emulating the bugs as well?
On 2021-07-26, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
On 7/16/21 3:28 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2021-07-16, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
On 7/5/21 5:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-07-05 1:46 p.m., J Burns wrote:
Darn! I got distracted and just now remembered that I'd posted a
question!
Well let's see how long it takes you to respond to this...
When I ask Terminal for a list, the two Applications importers are
Thunderbird and LibreOffice.
What do you mean by "ask Terminal for a list"?
Are you trying to say you ran "mdimport -L" in Terminal, and you did see >>> an importer for LibreOffice in that listing?
Yes.
"/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter",
"/Applications/Thunderbird.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/thunderbird.mdimporter"
In the Open Office application bundle, in the Spotlight folder, I findUnder Applications in the Finder, when I check the Contents of
LibreOffice and OpenOffice, each has its importer in Libraries. I
wonder why the OpenOffice importer doesn't show up in /user/bin.
Importers aren't in /usr/bin - that's where the mdimport tools is
installed. Importers are typically installed in one of the "Library"
directories or inside of application bundles.
OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter
But "mdimport -L" doesn't seem to find it.
I'm confused.
Did you not just above say that "mdimport -L" *did* find it?
I quote:
Are you trying to say you ran "mdimport -L" in Terminal, and you did see >>> an importer for LibreOffice in that listing?
Yes.
"/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter"
What am I missing?
--- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113Spotlight will find some but not all ODT documents with a certain name
in their content. It looks as if it hasn't seen the content of those
that haven't been opened in years.
If I had to guess, I'd say this is due to a bug in the LibreOffice
Spotlight plugin.
Lately, I've been repeatedly sidetracked researching the history of
bicycles.
Okay.
On 7/27/21 11:58 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2021-07-26, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
On 7/16/21 3:28 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2021-07-16, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:In the Open Office application bundle, in the Spotlight folder, I
On 7/5/21 5:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
Importers aren't in /usr/bin - that's where the mdimport tools is
installed. Importers are typically installed in one of the
"Library" directories or inside of application bundles.
find OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter
But "mdimport -L" doesn't seem to find it.
I'm confused.
Did you not just above say that "mdimport -L" *did* find it?
I quote:
Are you trying to say you ran "mdimport -L" in Terminal, and you
did see an importer for LibreOffice in that listing?
Yes.
"/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter"
What am I missing?
I use OpenOffice but at some time installed LibreOffice. It seems
"mdimport -L" didn't find the mdimporter in the OpenOffice bundle.
Should I use Appcleaner to get rid of both apps, then reinstall OpenOffice?
On 2021-07-31, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
On 7/27/21 11:58 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2021-07-26, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
On 7/16/21 3:28 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2021-07-16, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:In the Open Office application bundle, in the Spotlight folder, I
On 7/5/21 5:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
Importers aren't in /usr/bin - that's where the mdimport tools is
installed. Importers are typically installed in one of the
"Library" directories or inside of application bundles.
find OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter
But "mdimport -L" doesn't seem to find it.
I'm confused.
Did you not just above say that "mdimport -L" *did* find it?
I quote:
Are you trying to say you ran "mdimport -L" in Terminal, and you
did see an importer for LibreOffice in that listing?
Yes.
"/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter"
What am I missing?
I use OpenOffice but at some time installed LibreOffice. It seems
"mdimport -L" didn't find the mdimporter in the OpenOffice bundle.
Ah - sorry, I missed that distinction.
Should I use Appcleaner to get rid of both apps, then reinstall OpenOffice?
I wouldn't think an app cleaner is required (and they often cause more problems than they solve by deleting things they shouldn't anyway). Just reinstall it over what you already have (or drag the app to the trash
first).
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