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I use a Topaz Labs image editing product (Clean 3) which Topaz has
recently announced it's no longer supporting, and Topaz Labs won't
guarantee that Clean 3 will work effectively in Big Sur (so I'm still
using O. S. Catalina).

Clean 3 is launched from within Photoshop.

I was notified by another user of Clean 3 that Clean 3 works under Big
Sur, but he wrote that a 22-megabyte file took 40 seconds to process in
Clean 3. I'm using mostly 75-megabyte files, so I fear that when I
upgrade to Big Sur, the 75-megabyte files might too big for Clean 3 to process, or might take too long to render, making Clean 3's use
practical.

I wonder if I could continue to use Clean 3 and my current Photoshop
2020 on a secondary computer with Catalina as the operating system.

I'm thinking that when I buy a new Mac with Big Sur operating system on
it, I'll use that Mac as my primary computer. How could I efficiently
send my JPEGs or TIFFs from the new, primary Mac using Big Sur to my
old Mac that has Catalina and Clean 3 on it, for me to process in
Photoshop and Clean 3 under Catalina operating system, and then send
the processed files back to my new Mac that will have Big Sur on it so
that I can continue to use Clean 3?

Tom


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On 12-Jul-2021 at 10:19:54PM PDT, "Tom Evans" <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:

I use a Topaz Labs image editing product (Clean 3) which Topaz has
recently announced it's no longer supporting, and Topaz Labs won't
guarantee that Clean 3 will work effectively in Big Sur (so I'm still
using O. S. Catalina).

Clean 3 is launched from within Photoshop.

I was notified by another user of Clean 3 that Clean 3 works under Big
Sur, but he wrote that a 22-megabyte file took 40 seconds to process in
Clean 3. I'm using mostly 75-megabyte files, so I fear that when I
upgrade to Big Sur, the 75-megabyte files might too big for Clean 3 to process, or might take too long to render, making Clean 3's use
practical.

I wonder if I could continue to use Clean 3 and my current Photoshop
2020 on a secondary computer with Catalina as the operating system.

I'm thinking that when I buy a new Mac with Big Sur operating system on
it, I'll use that Mac as my primary computer. How could I efficiently
send my JPEGs or TIFFs from the new, primary Mac using Big Sur to my
old Mac that has Catalina and Clean 3 on it, for me to process in
Photoshop and Clean 3 under Catalina operating system, and then send
the processed files back to my new Mac that will have Big Sur on it so
that I can continue to use Clean 3?

Tom

You're talking about a processing pipeline. Most of the tools that do this run on Linux, but Photoshop and Clean 3 are GUI apps. If you can instrument them
to run under AppleScript, you'd be able to construct a process on the Catalina system that could process them using something like Jenkins. You can run Jenkins in a Docker container (that's the cleanest way that won't leave all sorts of cruft on your system) and BigSur would be able to run Docker
natively. Just be sure to buy somthing with LOTS of memory (minimum 16GB) and disk space (minimum 1TB).

There must be something equivalent on MacOS that can do this sort of thing. It's just that you'll have to become a system person to figure it out or hire someone to set it up for you if you can't.
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On 12-Jul-2021 at 10:19:54PM PDT, "Tom Evans" <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:

I use a Topaz Labs image editing product (Clean 3) which Topaz has
recently announced it's no longer supporting, and Topaz Labs won't
guarantee that Clean 3 will work effectively in Big Sur (so I'm still
using O. S. Catalina).

Clean 3 is launched from within Photoshop.

I was notified by another user of Clean 3 that Clean 3 works under Big
Sur, but he wrote that a 22-megabyte file took 40 seconds to process in
Clean 3. I'm using mostly 75-megabyte files, so I fear that when I
upgrade to Big Sur, the 75-megabyte files might too big for Clean 3 to process, or might take too long to render, making Clean 3's use
practical.

If the 75MB file currently works in Clean 3 in Catalina, and Clean 3
works in Big Sur, then the 75MB file should work fine in Big Sur too.

75MB is roughly three times as big as the 22MB file, I can't see that
waiting 120 seconds for it to process is such a huge problem - it's
probably the same as you already wait since there's no real reaosn it
should be slower. I can't see any reason why the render time would
change either.

I wonder if I could continue to use Clean 3 and my current Photoshop
2020 on a secondary computer with Catalina as the operating system.

If you're buying a new Mac as below anyway, then why not. Otherwise you
could use a virtual Mac running Catalina on your Big Sur Mac, using
something like Parallels Desktop or VMWare Fusion. You can simply
create a disk image from your current Catalina install and use that
within the virtualisation app.

I'm thinking that when I buy a new Mac with Big Sur operating system on
it, I'll use that Mac as my primary computer.

The new Mac is most likely going to be a Apple Silicon model, so most
apps will almost certainly run faster (even under Rosetta translation)
than on your old Intel Mac. Some apps may not work at all, but they're
fairly rare.

How could I efficiently send my JPEGs or TIFFs from the new, primary
Mac using Big Sur to my old Mac that has Catalina and Clean 3 on it,
for me to process in Photoshop and Clean 3 under Catalina operating
system, and then send the processed files back to my new Mac that will
have Big Sur on it so that I can continue to use Clean 3?

Connect them to the same network (or even connect them directly
together) and you can use Shared Folders to access files on one Mac
from another. Or use a network storage drive. Or just a large capacity
USB keyring drive - 75MB is almost nothing these days and would copy in
a few seconds.


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On 2021-07-13 01:19, Tom Evans wrote:

I use a Topaz Labs image editing product (Clean 3) which Topaz has
recently announced it's no longer supporting, and Topaz Labs won't
guarantee that Clean 3 will work effectively in Big Sur (so I'm still
using O. S. Catalina).

https://topazlabs.com/shop/ Doesn't show Clean 3 anymore. But available
for download in "other" places found by Google. (Assuming I got the
right product/company).


As a plug-in for Photoshop, you're likely more concerned with the
Photoshop plug-in API than you are of the OS. If you already have the 64
bit bersion installed, I don't see what would change wth just the OS
change.


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On 2021-07-13 02:38, Your Name wrote:

The new Mac is most likely going to be a Apple Silicon model, so most
apps will almost certainly run faster (even under Rosetta translation)

There are issues with plug ins and Rosetta 2.

If you run native Photoshop, it launches native without any Rosetta 2
involved.

If you installed an x86 version of Photoshop, you can force launch the
x86 version which calls in Rosetta 2 which is then available when the
plug-in in linked in and branched to.

Normally, the main executable is translated and write back to disk so
next time you launch you get the translated version. But I am not sure
how plugins are involved and whether the translated version is written back.

If Clean 3 is discontinued, you are getting your warning message to
consider either freezing you computer for a few years to keep Clean 3,
or find whatvever Topax replaced it with and which is still supported.


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On 2021-07-13 07:03:23 +0000, JF Mezei said:

On 2021-07-13 01:19, Tom Evans wrote:

I use a Topaz Labs image editing product (Clean 3) which Topaz has
recently announced it's no longer supporting, and Topaz Labs won't
guarantee that Clean 3 will work effectively in Big Sur (so I'm still
using O. S. Catalina).

https://topazlabs.com/shop/ Doesn't show Clean 3 anymore. But available
for download in "other" places found by Google. (Assuming I got the
right product/company).

Thanks, J. F.

Topaz Labs' tech support and the Topaz user fourm claim that Topaz
Labs' Studio 2 suite of filters and 'Looks" can give similar results as
the particular set of image-altering settings that Clean 3 can
facilitate.

But when they suggested that I try particular folters and "Looks" in
Studio 2 (and to some degree Topaz's A. I. Adjust image-editing
program) I was unable to closely replicate the look of Clean 3 that
I've come to depend on for my image editing.

As a plug-in for Photoshop, you're likely more concerned with the
Photoshop plug-in API than you are of the OS. If you already have the 64
bit bersion installed, I don't see what would change wth just the OS
change.

I just checked in About This Mac > System Report > Software >
Applications and learned that Clean 3 is a 64-tit program, so that's a
good indication that it should still work in Big Sur and maybe
subsequent operating systems.

Tom





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On 2021-07-13 06:38:04 +0000, Your Name said:

On 12-Jul-2021 at 10:19:54PM PDT, "Tom Evans" <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:

I use a Topaz Labs image editing product (Clean 3) which Topaz has
recently announced it's no longer supporting, and Topaz Labs won't
guarantee that Clean 3 will work effectively in Big Sur (so I'm still
using O. S. Catalina).

Clean 3 is launched from within Photoshop.

I was notified by another user of Clean 3 that Clean 3 works under Big
Sur, but he wrote that a 22-megabyte file took 40 seconds to process in
Clean 3. I'm using mostly 75-megabyte files, so I fear that when I
upgrade to Big Sur, the 75-megabyte files might too big for Clean 3 to
process, or might take too long to render, making Clean 3's use
practical.

If the 75MB file currently works in Clean 3 in Catalina, and Clean 3
works in Big Sur, then the 75MB file should work fine in Big Sur too.

75MB is roughly three times as big as the 22MB file, I can't see that waiting 120 seconds for it to process is such a huge problem - it's
probably the same as you already wait since there's no real reaosn it
should be slower. I can't see any reason why the render time would
change either.

Thanks, Your.

Yes, I'd be reluctantly willing to wait for two minutes for each file
to render if there were no viable alternative, although I'd be awfully impatient and frustrated with such a slow speed.

I wonder if I could continue to use Clean 3 and my current Photoshop
2020 on a secondary computer with Catalina as the operating system.

If you're buying a new Mac as below anyway, then why not. Otherwise you could use a virtual Mac running Catalina on your Big Sur Mac, using something like Parallels Desktop or VMWare Fusion. You can simply
create a disk image from your current Catalina install and use that
within the virtualisation app.

I'm thinking that when I buy a new Mac with Big Sur operating system on
it, I'll use that Mac as my primary computer.

The new Mac is most likely going to be a Apple Silicon model, so most
apps will almost certainly run faster (even under Rosetta translation)
than on your old Intel Mac. Some apps may not work at all, but they're fairly rare.

That sounds promising. If that's true, the I wouldn't need an emulation program like Parallels Desktop or V. M. Ware Fusion.

How could I efficiently send my JPEGs or TIFFs from the new, primary
Mac using Big Sur to my old Mac that has Catalina and Clean 3 on it,
for me to process in Photoshop and Clean 3 under Catalina operating
system, and then send the processed files back to my new Mac that will
have Big Sur on it so that I can continue to use Clean 3?

Connect them to the same network (or even connect them directly
together) and you can use Shared Folders to access files on one Mac
from another. Or use a network storage drive. Or just a large capacity
USB keyring drive - 75MB is almost nothing these days and would copy in
a few seconds.

I don't know how to do those things, but first I'll wait until I buy a
new Mac with Big Sur on it, to test Clean 3 via Photoshop, as that
would be an easier solution than to set up one of those workarounds.

Tom

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