• Oh, that was smooth, Apple.

    From Siri Cruise@chine.bleu@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, November 20, 2020 23:17:06
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    So I was using Xcode 11 to build 10.15 on 10.15, and I see Xcode
    12 and think maybe I cross compile for 11.0 while still building
    10.15. Xcode 12 installs in gives the 10.15 SDK an acid bath so I
    lose the ability the ability to build 10.15 on 10.15 until I can
    find and download a replacement 10.15 SDK.

    Thanks, Apple, that was real, ummm, elegant.

    --
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    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\ Discordia: not just a religion but also a parody. This post / \
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  • From Alan Browne@bitbucket@blackhole.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:53:58
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2020-11-21 02:17, Siri Cruise wrote:
    So I was using Xcode 11 to build 10.15 on 10.15, and I see Xcode
    12 and think maybe I cross compile for 11.0 while still building
    10.15. Xcode 12 installs in gives the 10.15 SDK an acid bath so I
    lose the ability the ability to build 10.15 on 10.15 until I can
    find and download a replacement 10.15 SDK.

    Please elaborate.



    --
    "...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
    man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
    -Samuel Clemens
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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 18:06:30
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <GCbuH.24700$sW6.3334@fx47.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-21 02:17, Siri Cruise wrote:
    So I was using Xcode 11 to build 10.15 on 10.15, and I see Xcode
    12 and think maybe I cross compile for 11.0 while still building
    10.15. Xcode 12 installs in gives the 10.15 SDK an acid bath so I
    lose the ability the ability to build 10.15 on 10.15 until I can
    find and download a replacement 10.15 SDK.

    Please elaborate.

    XCode 12 requires Catalina 10.15.4.

    At least one of the betas had some issues on Catalina, but the release
    version definitely works on 10.15.4. I have no idea what the
    Scientologist is talking about.


    --
    How soon after the USPS issues the Calvin stamp will you send a
    letter with one on the envelope?
    Watterson: Immediately. I'm going to get in my horse and buggy and snail-mail a
    check for my newspaper subscription.
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  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 18:27:08
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2020-11-21, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    So I was using Xcode 11 to build 10.15 on 10.15, and I see Xcode
    12 and think maybe I cross compile for 11.0 while still building
    10.15. Xcode 12 installs in gives the 10.15 SDK an acid bath so I
    lose the ability the ability to build 10.15 on 10.15 until I can
    find and download a replacement 10.15 SDK.

    Thanks, Apple, that was real, ummm, elegant.

    PEBKAC

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR
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  • From Alan Browne@bitbucket@blackhole.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 13:32:44
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2020-11-21 13:06, Lewis wrote:
    In message <GCbuH.24700$sW6.3334@fx47.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-21 02:17, Siri Cruise wrote:
    So I was using Xcode 11 to build 10.15 on 10.15, and I see Xcode
    12 and think maybe I cross compile for 11.0 while still building
    10.15. Xcode 12 installs in gives the 10.15 SDK an acid bath so I
    lose the ability the ability to build 10.15 on 10.15 until I can
    find and download a replacement 10.15 SDK.

    Please elaborate.

    XCode 12 requires Catalina 10.15.4.

    At least one of the betas had some issues on Catalina, but the release version definitely works on 10.15.4. I have no idea what the
    Scientologist is talking about.

    Thx. I'm moving along. Nothing to see here.


    --
    "...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
    man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
    -Samuel Clemens
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  • From Siri Cruise@chine.bleu@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 10:32:55
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <slrnrrilp6.1gq.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>,
    Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    In message <GCbuH.24700$sW6.3334@fx47.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-21 02:17, Siri Cruise wrote:
    So I was using Xcode 11 to build 10.15 on 10.15, and I see Xcode
    12 and think maybe I cross compile for 11.0 while still building
    10.15. Xcode 12 installs in gives the 10.15 SDK an acid bath so I
    lose the ability the ability to build 10.15 on 10.15 until I can
    find and download a replacement 10.15 SDK.

    Please elaborate.

    XCode 12 requires Catalina 10.15.4.

    At least one of the betas had some issues on Catalina, but the release version definitely works on 10.15.4. I have no idea what the
    Scientologist is talking about.

    So do you know what an SDK is yet? Do you need instructions?


    Before XCode 12

    ls /Applications/Xcode.app/.../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs
    MacOSX.sdk MacOSX10.15.sdk

    I can compile to 10.15. Which is useful since I'm running 10.15.


    After XCode 12

    ls /Applications/Xcode.app/.../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs
    DriverKit20.0.sdk MacOSX.sdk MacOSX11.0.sdk

    I can no longer compile to 10.15 because Apple deleted
    MacOSX10.15.sdk. How rude.


    I have to hunt for MacOSX10.15.sdk on the interpipes to repair
    the Xcode 12 installer's damage. (Because Apple doesn't supply
    them any longer.)

    After repairing Apple's elegance

    ls /Applications/Xcode.app/.../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs
    DriverKit20.0.sdk MacOSX.sdk
    MacOSX10.15.sdk MacOSX11.0.sdk

    I can again compile 10.15 on 10.15. I haven't tried 11.0 yet
    because it's not yet dire and I'm still fixing 10.15's recent
    crap like -Wno-nullability-completeness.

    --
    :-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\ Discordia: not just a religion but also a parody. This post / \
    I am an Andrea Doria sockpuppet. insults Islam. Mohammed
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  • From invalid@invalid@invalid.invalid (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=CFnvalid_=24yntax?=) to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 18:44:19
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    In message <GCbuH.24700$sW6.3334@fx47.iad>
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-21 02:17, Siri Cruise wrote:
    So I was using Xcode 11 to build 10.15 on 10.15, and I see Xcode
    12 and think maybe I cross compile for 11.0 while still building
    10.15. Xcode 12 installs in gives the 10.15 SDK an acid bath so I
    lose the ability the ability to build 10.15 on 10.15 until I can
    find and download a replacement 10.15 SDK.

    Please elaborate.

    XCode 12 requires Catalina 10.15.4.

    At least one of the betas had some issues on Catalina, but the release version definitely works on 10.15.4. I have no idea what the
    Scientologist is talking about.

    Is there a Scientologist here? Run away!

    --
    fold, spindle, mutilate
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  • From Siri Cruise@chine.bleu@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:06:48
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <1p08enj.h65dxvxzqw6xN%invalid@invalid.invalid>,
    invalid@invalid.invalid (Ďnvalid $yntax) wrote:

    Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    In message <GCbuH.24700$sW6.3334@fx47.iad>
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-21 02:17, Siri Cruise wrote:
    So I was using Xcode 11 to build 10.15 on 10.15, and I see Xcode
    12 and think maybe I cross compile for 11.0 while still building
    10.15. Xcode 12 installs in gives the 10.15 SDK an acid bath so I
    lose the ability the ability to build 10.15 on 10.15 until I can
    find and download a replacement 10.15 SDK.

    Please elaborate.

    XCode 12 requires Catalina 10.15.4.

    At least one of the betas had some issues on Catalina, but the release version definitely works on 10.15.4. I have no idea what the
    Scientologist is talking about.

    Is there a Scientologist here? Run away!

    Siri is a dataologist.

    http://www.cc.com/video-clips/go7tr4/the-daily-show-with-trevor-no ah-siri-don-t-snitch

    --
    :-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\ Discordia: not just a religion but also a parody. This post / \
    I am an Andrea Doria sockpuppet. insults Islam. Mohammed
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  • From invalid@invalid@invalid.invalid (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=CFnvalid_=24yntax?=) to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 19:23:59
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    [...]
    Is there a Scientologist here? Run away!

    Siri is a dataologist. <http://www.cc.com/video-clips/go7tr4/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-siri-don-t-snitch>

    Seven opticians in your area sell contact lenses.
    What else do you need to know?

    --
    fold, spindle, mutilate
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  • From Krzysztof Mitko@invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 19:39:21
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Siri Cruise wrote:

    In article <slrnrrilp6.1gq.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>,
    Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    In message <GCbuH.24700$sW6.3334@fx47.iad> Alan Browne
    <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-21 02:17, Siri Cruise wrote:
    So I was using Xcode 11 to build 10.15 on 10.15, and I see Xcode
    12 and think maybe I cross compile for 11.0 while still building
    10.15. Xcode 12 installs in gives the 10.15 SDK an acid bath so I
    lose the ability the ability to build 10.15 on 10.15 until I can
    find and download a replacement 10.15 SDK.

    Please elaborate.

    XCode 12 requires Catalina 10.15.4.

    At least one of the betas had some issues on Catalina, but the release
    version definitely works on 10.15.4. I have no idea what the
    Scientologist is talking about.

    So do you know what an SDK is yet? Do you need instructions?


    Before XCode 12

    ls /Applications/Xcode.app/.../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs
    MacOSX.sdk MacOSX10.15.sdk

    I can compile to 10.15. Which is useful since I'm running 10.15.


    After XCode 12

    ls /Applications/Xcode.app/.../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs DriverKit20.0.sdk MacOSX.sdk MacOSX11.0.sdk

    I can no longer compile to 10.15 because Apple deleted
    MacOSX10.15.sdk. How rude.

    Not sure if I understand - setting "Deployment target" to an older version is enough to be able to run apps compiled with newer SDK on an older system (at least that's what works for me). Is there any reason you keep older SDK
    around?



    I have to hunt for MacOSX10.15.sdk on the interpipes to repair
    the Xcode 12 installer's damage. (Because Apple doesn't supply
    them any longer.)

    After repairing Apple's elegance

    ls /Applications/Xcode.app/.../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs DriverKit20.0.sdk MacOSX.sdk
    MacOSX10.15.sdk MacOSX11.0.sdk

    I can again compile 10.15 on 10.15. I haven't tried 11.0 yet
    because it's not yet dire and I'm still fixing 10.15's recent
    crap like -Wno-nullability-completeness.


    --
    If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the precipitate.


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  • From Wolffan@akwolffan@zoho.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 14:50:58
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 21 Nov 2020, Siri Cruise wrote
    (in article<chine.bleu-9AE19A.10325521112020@reader.eternal-september.org>):

    In article<slrnrrilp6.1gq.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>,
    Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    In message<GCbuH.24700$sW6.3334@fx47.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-21 02:17, Siri Cruise wrote:
    So I was using Xcode 11 to build 10.15 on 10.15, and I see Xcode
    12 and think maybe I cross compile for 11.0 while still building
    10.15. Xcode 12 installs in gives the 10.15 SDK an acid bath so I
    lose the ability the ability to build 10.15 on 10.15 until I can
    find and download a replacement 10.15 SDK.

    Please elaborate.

    XCode 12 requires Catalina 10.15.4.

    At least one of the betas had some issues on Catalina, but the release version definitely works on 10.15.4. I have no idea what the
    Scientologist is talking about.

    So do you know what an SDK is yet? Do you need instructions?

    Before XCode 12

    ls /Applications/Xcode.app/.../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs
    MacOSX.sdk MacOSX10.15.sdk

    I can compile to 10.15. Which is useful since I'm running 10.15.

    After XCode 12

    ls /Applications/Xcode.app/.../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs DriverKit20.0.sdk MacOSX.sdk MacOSX11.0.sdk

    I can no longer compile to 10.15 because Apple deleted
    MacOSX10.15.sdk. How rude.

    I have to hunt for MacOSX10.15.sdk on the interpipes to repair
    the Xcode 12 installer's damage. (Because Apple doesn't supply
    them any longer.)

    After repairing Apple's elegance

    ls /Applications/Xcode.app/.../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs DriverKit20.0.sdk MacOSX.sdk
    MacOSX10.15.sdk MacOSX11.0.sdk

    I can again compile 10.15 on 10.15. I haven't tried 11.0 yet
    because it's not yet dire and I'm still fixing 10.15's recent
    crap like -Wno-nullability-completeness.

    That’s interesting. This Mac mini 2012 can’t go to Big Sur. It’s currently at 10.15.7. My copy of XCode is 12.2. It certainly appears to work on this machine.

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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 21:10:24
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <chine.bleu-9AE19A.10325521112020@reader.eternal-september.org> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    I can no longer compile to 10.15 because Apple deleted
    MacOSX10.15.sdk. How rude.

    I do not know what you did, but XCode 12 can absolutely compile to
    macOS 10.15.

    --
    And there were all the stars, looking remarkably like powered
    diamonds spilled on black velvet, the stars that lured and
    ultimately called the boldest towards them...
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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 21:12:43
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <chine.bleu-58CB4A.11064021112020@reader.eternal-september.org> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    In article <1p08enj.h65dxvxzqw6xN%invalid@invalid.invalid>,
    invalid@invalid.invalid (ĂŹnvalid $yntax) wrote:

    Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    In message <GCbuH.24700$sW6.3334@fx47.iad>
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-21 02:17, Siri Cruise wrote:
    So I was using Xcode 11 to build 10.15 on 10.15, and I see Xcode
    12 and think maybe I cross compile for 11.0 while still building
    10.15. Xcode 12 installs in gives the 10.15 SDK an acid bath so I
    lose the ability the ability to build 10.15 on 10.15 until I can
    find and download a replacement 10.15 SDK.

    Please elaborate.

    XCode 12 requires Catalina 10.15.4.

    At least one of the betas had some issues on Catalina, but the release
    version definitely works on 10.15.4. I have no idea what the
    Scientologist is talking about.

    Is there a Scientologist here? Run away!

    Siri is a dataologist.

    Siri Cruise is the daughter of the batshit crazy Scientologist Tom
    Cruise. I mean, he's a nice guy, but still completely crazy.


    --
    You are twisted and sick; I like that in a person.
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  • From Siri Cruise@chine.bleu@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 13:13:31
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <slrnrrj0i0.hrh.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>,
    Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    In message <chine.bleu-9AE19A.10325521112020@reader.eternal-september.org> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    I can no longer compile to 10.15 because Apple deleted
    MacOSX10.15.sdk. How rude.

    I do not know what you did, but XCode 12 can absolutely compile to
    macOS 10.15.

    If you have 10.15 SDK. The installer deleted the one that I had.

    --
    :-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\ Discordia: not just a religion but also a parody. This post / \
    I am an Andrea Doria sockpuppet. insults Islam. Mohammed
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  • From Siri Cruise@chine.bleu@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 13:16:12
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article
    <0001HW.2569A7220086F3C670000454438F@news.supernews.com>,
    Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

    On 21 Nov 2020, Siri Cruise wrote
    (in article<chine.bleu-9AE19A.10325521112020@reader.eternal-september.org>):

    In article<slrnrrilp6.1gq.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>,
    Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    In message<GCbuH.24700$sW6.3334@fx47.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-21 02:17, Siri Cruise wrote:
    So I was using Xcode 11 to build 10.15 on 10.15, and I see Xcode
    12 and think maybe I cross compile for 11.0 while still building 10.15. Xcode 12 installs in gives the 10.15 SDK an acid bath so I lose the ability the ability to build 10.15 on 10.15 until I can
    find and download a replacement 10.15 SDK.

    Please elaborate.

    XCode 12 requires Catalina 10.15.4.

    At least one of the betas had some issues on Catalina, but the release version definitely works on 10.15.4. I have no idea what the Scientologist is talking about.

    So do you know what an SDK is yet? Do you need instructions?

    Before XCode 12

    ls /Applications/Xcode.app/.../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs
    MacOSX.sdk MacOSX10.15.sdk

    I can compile to 10.15. Which is useful since I'm running 10.15.

    After XCode 12

    ls /Applications/Xcode.app/.../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs DriverKit20.0.sdk MacOSX.sdk MacOSX11.0.sdk

    I can no longer compile to 10.15 because Apple deleted
    MacOSX10.15.sdk. How rude.

    I have to hunt for MacOSX10.15.sdk on the interpipes to repair
    the Xcode 12 installer's damage. (Because Apple doesn't supply
    them any longer.)

    After repairing Apple's elegance

    ls /Applications/Xcode.app/.../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs DriverKit20.0.sdk MacOSX.sdk
    MacOSX10.15.sdk MacOSX11.0.sdk

    I can again compile 10.15 on 10.15. I haven't tried 11.0 yet
    because it's not yet dire and I'm still fixing 10.15's recent
    crap like -Wno-nullability-completeness.

    That’s interesting. This Mac mini 2012 can’t go to Big Sur. It’s currently at 10.15.7. My copy of XCode is 12.2. It certainly appears to work on this machine.

    You should be able to compile for 10.7 if you have a
    MacOSX10.7.sdk in the SDKs folder. It's not nice of Apple to
    remove .sdks without asking.

    --
    :-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\ Discordia: not just a religion but also a parody. This post / \
    I am an Andrea Doria sockpuppet. insults Islam. Mohammed
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  • From Siri Cruise@chine.bleu@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 13:17:57
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <rpbqd9$1er4$1@adenine.netfront.net>,
    Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:

    I can no longer compile to 10.15 because Apple deleted
    MacOSX10.15.sdk. How rude.

    Not sure if I understand - setting "Deployment target" to an older version is enough to be able to run apps compiled with newer SDK on an older system (at least that's what works for me). Is there any reason you keep older SDK around?

    Since the machine is running 10.15 I need a 10.15 sdk to compile
    for the machine I'm compiling on.

    --
    :-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\ Discordia: not just a religion but also a parody. This post / \
    I am an Andrea Doria sockpuppet. insults Islam. Mohammed
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  • From Siri Cruise@chine.bleu@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 13:20:10
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <1p08gba.13uia811dwgdb6N%invalid@invalid.invalid>,
    invalid@invalid.invalid (Ďnvalid $yntax) wrote:

    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    [...]
    Is there a Scientologist here? Run away!

    Siri is a dataologist. <http://www.cc.com/video-clips/go7tr4/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-siri-d
    on-t-snitch>

    Seven opticians in your area sell contact lenses.
    What else do you need to know?

    In which adjacent space-time continuum can I contact El Rond
    Hubby?

    Bitch.

    --
    :-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\ Discordia: not just a religion but also a parody. This post / \
    I am an Andrea Doria sockpuppet. insults Islam. Mohammed
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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 21:27:07
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <chine.bleu-027A1B.13133121112020@reader.eternal-september.org> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    In article <slrnrrj0i0.hrh.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>,
    Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    In message <chine.bleu-9AE19A.10325521112020@reader.eternal-september.org> >> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    I can no longer compile to 10.15 because Apple deleted
    MacOSX10.15.sdk. How rude.

    I do not know what you did, but XCode 12 can absolutely compile to
    macOS 10.15.

    If you have 10.15 SDK. The installer deleted the one that I had.


    Again. No idea what you did, but Xcode 12 can absolutely compile to
    macOS 10.15.


    --
    I NO LONGER WANT MY MTV Bart chalkboard Ep. 3G02
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  • From invalid@invalid@invalid.invalid (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=CFnvalid_=24yntax?=) to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 21:37:04
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:

    In article <1p08gba.13uia811dwgdb6N%invalid@invalid.invalid>,
    invalid@invalid.invalid (Ďnvalid $yntax) wrote:

    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    [...]
    Is there a Scientologist here? Run away!

    Siri is a dataologist.
    <http://www.cc.com/video-clips/go7tr4/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-siri-don-t-snitch>

    Seven opticians in your area sell contact lenses.
    What else do you need to know?

    In which adjacent space-time continuum can I contact
    El Rond Hubby?

    Bitch.

    Oh my, she slapped me and now I'm in love.

    --
    fold, spindle, mutilate
    --- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
  • From invalid@invalid@invalid.invalid (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=CFnvalid_=24yntax?=) to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 21:37:05
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    Siri Cruise is the daughter of the batshit crazy Scientologist
    Tom Cruise. I mean, he's a nice guy, but still completely crazy.

    Suri. No charge for this valuable clue.

    --
    fold, spindle, mutilate
    --- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
  • From Siri Cruise@chine.bleu@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 13:53:51
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <1p08mk0.1i6r43g1q585b3N%invalid@invalid.invalid>,
    invalid@invalid.invalid (Ďnvalid $yntax) wrote:

    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:

    In article <1p08gba.13uia811dwgdb6N%invalid@invalid.invalid>,
    invalid@invalid.invalid (Ďnvalid $yntax) wrote:

    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    [...]
    Is there a Scientologist here? Run away!

    Siri is a dataologist.
    <http://www.cc.com/video-clips/go7tr4/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-siri-
    don-t-snitch>

    Seven opticians in your area sell contact lenses.
    What else do you need to know?

    In which adjacent space-time continuum can I contact
    El Rond Hubby?

    Bitch.

    Oh my, she slapped me and now I'm in love.

    Oh, mane padme PUNCH.
    Oh, mane padme PUNCH.
    Oh, mane padme PUNCH.
    ~~ Zen and the Planet of Spiders

    --
    :-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\ Discordia: not just a religion but also a parody. This post / \
    I am an Andrea Doria sockpuppet. insults Islam. Mohammed
    --- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
  • From Siri Cruise@chine.bleu@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 13:57:00
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <1p08mny.1xg042ai8h7prN%invalid@invalid.invalid>,
    invalid@invalid.invalid (Ďnvalid $yntax) wrote:

    Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    Siri Cruise is the daughter of the batshit crazy Scientologist
    Tom Cruise. I mean, he's a nice guy, but still completely crazy.

    Suri. No charge for this valuable clue.

    Daisy, Daisy,
    giivvveeee mmmmmeeeee yyyyyyooooooouuuuuurrrrrrrr aaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnsssssssswwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeerrrrrrr dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

    --
    :-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\ Discordia: not just a religion but also a parody. This post / \
    I am an Andrea Doria sockpuppet. insults Islam. Mohammed
    --- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
  • From Wolffan@akwolffan@zoho.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 16:58:30
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 21 Nov 2020, Siri Cruise wrote
    (in article<chine.bleu-91F3C8.13161221112020@reader.eternal-september.org>):

    In article
    <0001HW.2569A7220086F3C670000454438F@news.supernews.com>,
    Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

    On 21 Nov 2020, Siri Cruise wrote
    (in article<chine.bleu-9AE19A.10325521112020@reader.eternal-september.org>):

    In article<slrnrrilp6.1gq.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>,
    Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    In message<GCbuH.24700$sW6.3334@fx47.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-21 02:17, Siri Cruise wrote:
    So I was using Xcode 11 to build 10.15 on 10.15, and I see Xcode
    12 and think maybe I cross compile for 11.0 while still building 10.15. Xcode 12 installs in gives the 10.15 SDK an acid bath so I lose the ability the ability to build 10.15 on 10.15 until I can find and download a replacement 10.15 SDK.

    Please elaborate.

    XCode 12 requires Catalina 10.15.4.

    At least one of the betas had some issues on Catalina, but the release version definitely works on 10.15.4. I have no idea what the Scientologist is talking about.

    So do you know what an SDK is yet? Do you need instructions?

    Before XCode 12

    ls /Applications/Xcode.app/.../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs
    MacOSX.sdk MacOSX10.15.sdk

    I can compile to 10.15. Which is useful since I'm running 10.15.

    After XCode 12

    ls /Applications/Xcode.app/.../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs DriverKit20.0.sdk MacOSX.sdk MacOSX11.0.sdk

    I can no longer compile to 10.15 because Apple deleted
    MacOSX10.15.sdk. How rude.

    I have to hunt for MacOSX10.15.sdk on the interpipes to repair
    the Xcode 12 installer's damage. (Because Apple doesn't supply
    them any longer.)

    After repairing Apple's elegance

    ls /Applications/Xcode.app/.../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs DriverKit20.0.sdk MacOSX.sdk
    MacOSX10.15.sdk MacOSX11.0.sdk

    I can again compile 10.15 on 10.15. I haven't tried 11.0 yet
    because it's not yet dire and I'm still fixing 10.15's recent
    crap like -Wno-nullability-completeness.

    That’s interesting. This Mac mini 2012 can’t go to Big Sur. It’s currently at 10.15.7. My copy of XCode is 12.2. It certainly appears to work
    on this machine.

    You should be able to compile for 10.7 if you have a
    MacOSX10.7.sdk in the SDKs folder. It's not nice of Apple to
    remove .sdks without asking.

    I have no problems with XCode 12.2.

    I suspect that, as you are the only one who has problems, you did something silly.

    XCode 12.2 compiles old code going back to OS X 10.12 by actual test. I haven’t got older stuff immediately available, and have very little incentive to dig older code out.

    You need to fix whatever it was that you did.

    --- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
  • From invalid@invalid@invalid.invalid (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=CFnvalid_=24yntax?=) to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 22:01:31
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:

    In article <1p08mny.1xg042ai8h7prN%invalid@invalid.invalid>,
    invalid@invalid.invalid (Ďnvalid $yntax) wrote:

    Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    Siri Cruise is the daughter of the batshit crazy Scientologist
    Tom Cruise. I mean, he's a nice guy, but still completely crazy.

    Suri. No charge for this valuable clue.

    Daisy, Daisy,
    giivvveeee mmmmmeeeee yyyyyyooooooouuuuuurrrrrrrr aaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnsssssssswwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeerrrrrrr dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

    I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

    --
    fold, spindle, mutilate
    --- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
  • From invalid@invalid@invalid.invalid (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=CFnvalid_=24yntax?=) to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 22:11:42
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    [...]
    Is there a Scientologist here? Run away!

    Siri is a dataologist.
    <http://www.cc.com/video-clips/go7tr4/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah >>>-siri- don-t-snitch>

    Seven opticians in your area sell contact lenses.
    What else do you need to know?

    In which adjacent space-time continuum can I contact
    El Rond Hubby?

    Bitch.

    Oh my, she slapped me and now I'm in love.

    Oh, mane padme PUNCH.
    Oh, mane padme PUNCH.
    Oh, mane padme PUNCH.
    ~~ Zen and the Planet of Spiders

    #
    You've got to roll with the punches
    Man, you've got to go with the flow.

    Chorus:
    Roll me over lay me down and do it again
    Roll me over in the clover, roll me over lay me down and do it again.

    --
    fold, spindle, mutilate
    --- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
  • From Siri Cruise@chine.bleu@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 15:03:28
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <1p08ns9.1m2409m1emanuoN%invalid@invalid.invalid>,
    invalid@invalid.invalid (Ďnvalid $yntax) wrote:

    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:

    In article <1p08mny.1xg042ai8h7prN%invalid@invalid.invalid>,
    invalid@invalid.invalid (Ďnvalid $yntax) wrote:

    Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    Siri Cruise is the daughter of the batshit crazy Scientologist
    Tom Cruise. I mean, he's a nice guy, but still completely crazy.

    Suri. No charge for this valuable clue.

    Daisy, Daisy,
    giivvveeee mmmmmeeeee yyyyyyooooooouuuuuurrrrrrrr aaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnsssssssswwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeerrrrrrr dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

    I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

    Now for something completely uplifting and wholesome.

    http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/53071/pg53071.txt

    http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks06/0608941.txt

    --
    :-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\ Discordia: not just a religion but also a parody. This post / \
    I am an Andrea Doria sockpuppet. insults Islam. Mohammed
    --- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
  • From Siri Cruise@chine.bleu@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 15:20:26
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <1p08o2o.n1q8egl3gnqzN%invalid@invalid.invalid>,
    invalid@invalid.invalid (Ďnvalid $yntax) wrote:

    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    [...]
    Is there a Scientologist here? Run away!

    Siri is a dataologist.
    <http://www.cc.com/video-clips/go7tr4/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah >>>-siri- don-t-snitch>

    Seven opticians in your area sell contact lenses.
    What else do you need to know?

    In which adjacent space-time continuum can I contact
    El Rond Hubby?

    Bitch.

    Oh my, she slapped me and now I'm in love.

    Oh, mane padme PUNCH.
    Oh, mane padme PUNCH.
    Oh, mane padme PUNCH.
    ~~ Zen and the Planet of Spiders

    #
    You've got to roll with the punches
    Man, you've got to go with the flow.

    Chorus:
    Roll me over lay me down and do it again
    Roll me over in the clover, roll me over lay me down and do it again.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xYd3m4sDoU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XPzSjAgF_I

    --
    :-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\ Discordia: not just a religion but also a parody. This post / \
    I am an Andrea Doria sockpuppet. insults Islam. Mohammed
    --- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 23:36:27
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2020-11-21, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I have to hunt for MacOSX10.15.sdk on the interpipes

    Oh, my!! I have to download and install an SDK?! Where are my pearls?!?!
    I MUST CLUTCH THEM!!!

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR
    --- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
  • From Siri Cruise@chine.bleu@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 15:57:10
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <i1tmjqFd4q3U2@mid.individual.net>,
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    On 2020-11-21, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I have to hunt for MacOSX10.15.sdk on the interpipes

    Oh, my!! I have to download and install an SDK?! Where are my pearls?!?!
    I MUST CLUTCH THEM!!!

    So we have one vote for letting Apple delete your files and
    making you hunt for a replacement. I thought the elegant solution
    would have been not to disappear customer's files, but you have
    educated me to the blackjack touch of elegance.

    --
    :-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\ Discordia: not just a religion but also a parody. This post / \
    I am an Andrea Doria sockpuppet. insults Islam. Mohammed
    --- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
  • From invalid@invalid@invalid.invalid (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=CFnvalid_=24yntax?=) to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 21, 2020 23:58:03
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:

    [...]
    Siri Cruise is the daughter of the batshit crazy Scientologist
    Tom Cruise. I mean, he's a nice guy, but still completely crazy.

    Suri. No charge for this valuable clue.

    Daisy, Daisy,
    giivvveeee mmmmmeeeee yyyyyyooooooouuuuuurrrrrrrr aaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnsssssssswwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeerrrrrrr dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

    I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

    Now for something completely uplifting and wholesome.

    <http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/53071/pg53071.txt>

    <http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks06/0608941.txt>

    Those demand closer attention than I can spare tonight, it being
    midnight over here. Onto the 'to be read' pile with them.

    --
    fold, spindle, mutilate
    --- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, November 22, 2020 01:34:51
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <1p08mny.1xg042ai8h7prN%invalid@invalid.invalid> ĂŹnvalid $yntax <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    Siri Cruise is the daughter of the batshit crazy Scientologist
    Tom Cruise. I mean, he's a nice guy, but still completely crazy.

    Suri. No charge for this valuable clue.

    Ah well, spelling is not my area of interest.


    --
    "An idea isn't responsible for the people who believe it." - Don
    Marquis
    --- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, November 22, 2020 01:38:23
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <0001HW.2569C506008DF53470000454438F@news.supernews.com> Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On 21 Nov 2020, Siri Cruise wrote
    (in article<chine.bleu-91F3C8.13161221112020@reader.eternal-september.org>):

    In article
    <0001HW.2569A7220086F3C670000454438F@news.supernews.com>,
    Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

    On 21 Nov 2020, Siri Cruise wrote
    (in article<chine.bleu-9AE19A.10325521112020@reader.eternal-september.org>):

    In article<slrnrrilp6.1gq.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>,
    Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    In message<GCbuH.24700$sW6.3334@fx47.iad> Alan Browne
    <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-21 02:17, Siri Cruise wrote:
    So I was using Xcode 11 to build 10.15 on 10.15, and I see Xcode >> > > > > > 12 and think maybe I cross compile for 11.0 while still building >> > > > > > 10.15. Xcode 12 installs in gives the 10.15 SDK an acid bath so I >> > > > > > lose the ability the ability to build 10.15 on 10.15 until I can >> > > > > > find and download a replacement 10.15 SDK.

    Please elaborate.

    XCode 12 requires Catalina 10.15.4.

    At least one of the betas had some issues on Catalina, but the release >> > > > version definitely works on 10.15.4. I have no idea what the
    Scientologist is talking about.

    So do you know what an SDK is yet? Do you need instructions?

    Before XCode 12

    ls /Applications/Xcode.app/.../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs
    MacOSX.sdk MacOSX10.15.sdk

    I can compile to 10.15. Which is useful since I'm running 10.15.

    After XCode 12

    ls /Applications/Xcode.app/.../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs
    DriverKit20.0.sdk MacOSX.sdk MacOSX11.0.sdk

    I can no longer compile to 10.15 because Apple deleted
    MacOSX10.15.sdk. How rude.

    I have to hunt for MacOSX10.15.sdk on the interpipes to repair
    the Xcode 12 installer's damage. (Because Apple doesn't supply
    them any longer.)

    After repairing Apple's elegance

    ls /Applications/Xcode.app/.../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs
    DriverKit20.0.sdk MacOSX.sdk
    MacOSX10.15.sdk MacOSX11.0.sdk

    I can again compile 10.15 on 10.15. I haven't tried 11.0 yet
    because it's not yet dire and I'm still fixing 10.15's recent
    crap like -Wno-nullability-completeness.

    That’s interesting. This Mac mini 2012 can’t go to Big Sur. It’s
    currently at 10.15.7. My copy of XCode is 12.2. It certainly appears to work
    on this machine.

    You should be able to compile for 10.7 if you have a
    MacOSX10.7.sdk in the SDKs folder. It's not nice of Apple to
    remove .sdks without asking.

    I have no problems with XCode 12.2.

    I suspect that, as you are the only one who has problems, you did something silly.

    Yep.

    XCode 12.2 compiles old code going back to OS X 10.12 by actual test. I haven’t got older stuff immediately available, and have very little incentive to dig older code out.

    It has no problem with 10.15 at all. "Siri" obviously has either
    screwed something up or has a fundamental misunderstanding.

    You need to fix whatever it was that you did.

    But instead I predict s/he will continue to complain about how Apple
    delete something.


    --
    The reason that we don't have "bear-proof" garbage cans in the park
    is that there is a significant overlap in intelligence between
    the smartest bears and the dumbest humans.
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  • From Krzysztof Mitko@invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, November 22, 2020 16:31:44
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Siri Cruise wrote:

    In article <rpbqd9$1er4$1@adenine.netfront.net>,
    Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:

    I can no longer compile to 10.15 because Apple deleted
    MacOSX10.15.sdk. How rude.

    Not sure if I understand - setting "Deployment target" to an older version >> is
    enough to be able to run apps compiled with newer SDK on an older system (at
    least that's what works for me). Is there any reason you keep older SDK
    around?

    Since the machine is running 10.15 I need a 10.15 sdk to compile
    for the machine I'm compiling on.

    That's simply not true. I know from first-hand experience you don't need SDK 10.15 at all to compile and run code in XCode 12.2 on macOS 10.15.7 - SDK 11.0 already contains everything you need.

    --
    They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the
    Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.


    --- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
  • From Krzysztof Mitko@invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, November 22, 2020 16:38:08
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Wolffan wrote:

    On 21 Nov 2020, Siri Cruise wrote
    (in article<chine.bleu-91F3C8.13161221112020@reader.eternal-september.org>):

    In article
    <0001HW.2569A7220086F3C670000454438F@news.supernews.com>,
    Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

    On 21 Nov 2020, Siri Cruise wrote
    (in
    article<chine.bleu-9AE19A.10325521112020@reader.eternal-september.org>):

    In article<slrnrrilp6.1gq.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>,
    Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    In message<GCbuH.24700$sW6.3334@fx47.iad> Alan Browne
    <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-21 02:17, Siri Cruise wrote:
    So I was using Xcode 11 to build 10.15 on 10.15, and I see Xcode >> > > > > > 12 and think maybe I cross compile for 11.0 while still building >> > > > > > 10.15. Xcode 12 installs in gives the 10.15 SDK an acid bath so I >> > > > > > lose the ability the ability to build 10.15 on 10.15 until I can >> > > > > > find and download a replacement 10.15 SDK.

    Please elaborate.

    XCode 12 requires Catalina 10.15.4.

    At least one of the betas had some issues on Catalina, but the release
    version definitely works on 10.15.4. I have no idea what the
    Scientologist is talking about.

    So do you know what an SDK is yet? Do you need instructions?

    Before XCode 12

    ls /Applications/Xcode.app/.../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs
    MacOSX.sdk MacOSX10.15.sdk

    I can compile to 10.15. Which is useful since I'm running 10.15.

    After XCode 12

    ls /Applications/Xcode.app/.../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs
    DriverKit20.0.sdk MacOSX.sdk MacOSX11.0.sdk

    I can no longer compile to 10.15 because Apple deleted
    MacOSX10.15.sdk. How rude.

    I have to hunt for MacOSX10.15.sdk on the interpipes to repair
    the Xcode 12 installer's damage. (Because Apple doesn't supply
    them any longer.)

    After repairing Apple's elegance

    ls /Applications/Xcode.app/.../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs
    DriverKit20.0.sdk MacOSX.sdk
    MacOSX10.15.sdk MacOSX11.0.sdk

    I can again compile 10.15 on 10.15. I haven't tried 11.0 yet
    because it's not yet dire and I'm still fixing 10.15's recent
    crap like -Wno-nullability-completeness.

    That’s interesting. This Mac mini 2012 can’t go to Big Sur. It’s
    currently at 10.15.7. My copy of XCode is 12.2. It certainly appears to >>> work
    on this machine.

    You should be able to compile for 10.7 if you have a
    MacOSX10.7.sdk in the SDKs folder. It's not nice of Apple to
    remove .sdks without asking.

    I have no problems with XCode 12.2.

    I suspect that, as you are the only one who has problems, you did something silly.

    XCode 12.2 compiles old code going back to OS X 10.12 by actual test. I haven’t got older stuff immediately available, and have very little incentive to dig older code out.

    AFAIK it can compile all the way back to 10.9.


    You need to fix whatever it was that you did.


    --
    Chemical engineers do it in packed beds.


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  • From Krzysztof Mitko@invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, November 22, 2020 17:10:56
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Siri Cruise wrote:

    In article <i1tmjqFd4q3U2@mid.individual.net>,
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    On 2020-11-21, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I have to hunt for MacOSX10.15.sdk on the interpipes

    Oh, my!! I have to download and install an SDK?! Where are my pearls?!?!
    I MUST CLUTCH THEM!!!

    So we have one vote for letting Apple delete your files and
    making you hunt for a replacement. I thought the elegant solution
    would have been not to disappear customer's files, but you have
    educated me to the blackjack touch of elegance.

    Anything inside the *.app folder is internal files and can be removed during update, don't put "your files" there. Come back complaining when XCode update removes random files from your home folder.

    --
    A spokesman said: "Would you like to buy some of my spokes?"


    --- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, November 22, 2020 17:25:50
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2020-11-21, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    In article <i1tmjqFd4q3U2@mid.individual.net>,
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-21, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I have to hunt for MacOSX10.15.sdk on the interpipes

    Oh, my!! I have to download and install an SDK?! Where are my pearls?!?!
    I MUST CLUTCH THEM!!!

    So we have one vote for letting Apple delete your files

    No, we have one person (you) *claiming* "Apple deleted my files", while
    the rest of us have had no such experience:

    <https://jmp.sh/60b8xbU>

    For all we know, *you* accidentally deleted the missing files. Or it
    could be you are just very, very confused about the state of your own
    system.

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  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, November 22, 2020 17:27:45
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    On 2020-11-22, Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
    Wolffan wrote:

    I have no problems with XCode 12.2.

    I suspect that, as you are the only one who has problems, you did
    something silly.

    XCode 12.2 compiles old code going back to OS X 10.12 by actual test.
    I haven’t got older stuff immediately available, and have very little
    incentive to dig older code out.

    AFAIK it can compile all the way back to 10.9.

    I can go all the way back to 10.10:

    <https://jmp.sh/60b8xbU>

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  • From Krzysztof Mitko@invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, November 22, 2020 17:42:50
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    Jolly Roger wrote:

    On 2020-11-22, Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
    Wolffan wrote:

    I have no problems with XCode 12.2.

    I suspect that, as you are the only one who has problems, you did
    something silly.

    XCode 12.2 compiles old code going back to OS X 10.12 by actual test.
    I haven’t got older stuff immediately available, and have very little >>> incentive to dig older code out.

    AFAIK it can compile all the way back to 10.9.

    I can go all the way back to 10.10:

    <https://jmp.sh/60b8xbU>

    Have you scrolled down through that list :)?

    <https://imgur.com/MA5DZ0F>

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  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, November 22, 2020 17:54:00
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2020-11-22, Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    On 2020-11-22, Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
    Wolffan wrote:

    I have no problems with XCode 12.2.

    I suspect that, as you are the only one who has problems, you did
    something silly.

    XCode 12.2 compiles old code going back to OS X 10.12 by actual test. >>>> I haven’t got older stuff immediately available, and have very little >>>> incentive to dig older code out.

    AFAIK it can compile all the way back to 10.9.

    I can go all the way back to 10.10:

    <https://jmp.sh/60b8xbU>

    Have you scrolled down through that list :)?

    <https://imgur.com/MA5DZ0F>

    Whoops! You're right. 10.9 is there as well.

    Good catch. : )

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  • From Siri Cruise@chine.bleu@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, November 22, 2020 10:03:47
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <rpe45f$9d1$1@adenine.netfront.net>,
    Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:

    Wolffan wrote:

    On 21 Nov 2020, Siri Cruise wrote
    (in article<chine.bleu-91F3C8.13161221112020@reader.eternal-september.org>):

    In article
    <0001HW.2569A7220086F3C670000454438F@news.supernews.com>,
    Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

    On 21 Nov 2020, Siri Cruise wrote
    (in
    article<chine.bleu-9AE19A.10325521112020@reader.eternal-september.org>): >> >
    In article<slrnrrilp6.1gq.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>,
    Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    In message<GCbuH.24700$sW6.3334@fx47.iad> Alan Browne
    <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-21 02:17, Siri Cruise wrote:
    So I was using Xcode 11 to build 10.15 on 10.15, and I see
    Xcode
    12 and think maybe I cross compile for 11.0 while still
    building
    10.15. Xcode 12 installs in gives the 10.15 SDK an acid bath so
    I
    lose the ability the ability to build 10.15 on 10.15 until I >> > > > > > can
    find and download a replacement 10.15 SDK.

    Please elaborate.

    XCode 12 requires Catalina 10.15.4.

    At least one of the betas had some issues on Catalina, but the
    release
    version definitely works on 10.15.4. I have no idea what the
    Scientologist is talking about.

    So do you know what an SDK is yet? Do you need instructions?

    Before XCode 12

    ls /Applications/Xcode.app/.../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs
    MacOSX.sdk MacOSX10.15.sdk

    I can compile to 10.15. Which is useful since I'm running 10.15.

    After XCode 12

    ls /Applications/Xcode.app/.../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs
    DriverKit20.0.sdk MacOSX.sdk MacOSX11.0.sdk

    I can no longer compile to 10.15 because Apple deleted
    MacOSX10.15.sdk. How rude.

    I have to hunt for MacOSX10.15.sdk on the interpipes to repair
    the Xcode 12 installer's damage. (Because Apple doesn't supply
    them any longer.)

    After repairing Apple's elegance

    ls /Applications/Xcode.app/.../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs
    DriverKit20.0.sdk MacOSX.sdk
    MacOSX10.15.sdk MacOSX11.0.sdk

    I can again compile 10.15 on 10.15. I haven't tried 11.0 yet
    because it's not yet dire and I'm still fixing 10.15's recent
    crap like -Wno-nullability-completeness.

    That’s interesting. This Mac mini 2012 can’t go to Big Sur. It’s >> > currently at 10.15.7. My copy of XCode is 12.2. It certainly appears to >>> work
    on this machine.

    You should be able to compile for 10.7 if you have a
    MacOSX10.7.sdk in the SDKs folder. It's not nice of Apple to
    remove .sdks without asking.

    I have no problems with XCode 12.2.

    I suspect that, as you are the only one who has problems, you did something
    silly.

    XCode 12.2 compiles old code going back to OS X 10.12 by actual test. I haven’t got older stuff immediately available, and have very little incentive to dig older code out.

    AFAIK it can compile all the way back to 10.9.

    How did you fix the darwin_check_fd_set_overflow error?

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  • From Siri Cruise@chine.bleu@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, November 22, 2020 10:04:31
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    In article <rpe3pg$8l0$1@adenine.netfront.net>,
    Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:

    Siri Cruise wrote:

    In article <rpbqd9$1er4$1@adenine.netfront.net>,
    Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:

    I can no longer compile to 10.15 because Apple deleted
    MacOSX10.15.sdk. How rude.

    Not sure if I understand - setting "Deployment target" to an older
    version
    is
    enough to be able to run apps compiled with newer SDK on an older system >> (at
    least that's what works for me). Is there any reason you keep older SDK >> around?

    Since the machine is running 10.15 I need a 10.15 sdk to compile
    for the machine I'm compiling on.

    That's simply not true. I know from first-hand experience you don't need SDK 10.15 at all to compile and run code in XCode 12.2 on macOS 10.15.7 - SDK 11.0
    already contains everything you need.

    How did you fix darwin_check_fd_set_overflow?

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  • From Krzysztof Mitko@invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, November 22, 2020 18:05:32
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    Jolly Roger wrote:

    On 2020-11-21, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    In article <i1tmjqFd4q3U2@mid.individual.net>,
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-21, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I have to hunt for MacOSX10.15.sdk on the interpipes

    Oh, my!! I have to download and install an SDK?! Where are my pearls?!?! >>> I MUST CLUTCH THEM!!!

    So we have one vote for letting Apple delete your files

    No, we have one person (you) *claiming* "Apple deleted my files", while
    the rest of us have had no such experience:

    <https://jmp.sh/60b8xbU>

    For all we know, *you* accidentally deleted the missing files. Or it
    could be you are just very, very confused about the state of your own
    system.

    The latter one. XCode update does in fact remove the separate MacOSX10.15.sdk folder, as the OP noticed. His/her confusion is that this folder needs to be restored to compile for older systems (to paraphrase an old saying, OP is bravely fighting problems unknown to any other user).

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  • From Krzysztof Mitko@invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, November 22, 2020 18:12:16
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Siri Cruise wrote:

    In article <rpe3pg$8l0$1@adenine.netfront.net>,
    Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:

    Siri Cruise wrote:

    In article <rpbqd9$1er4$1@adenine.netfront.net>,
    Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:

    I can no longer compile to 10.15 because Apple deleted
    MacOSX10.15.sdk. How rude.

    Not sure if I understand - setting "Deployment target" to an older
    version
    is
    enough to be able to run apps compiled with newer SDK on an older system
    (at
    least that's what works for me). Is there any reason you keep older SDK >> >> around?

    Since the machine is running 10.15 I need a 10.15 sdk to compile
    for the machine I'm compiling on.

    That's simply not true. I know from first-hand experience you don't need SDK
    10.15 at all to compile and run code in XCode 12.2 on macOS 10.15.7 - SDK >> 11.0
    already contains everything you need.

    How did you fix darwin_check_fd_set_overflow?

    I've never encountered this problem.

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  • From Siri Cruise@chine.bleu@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, November 22, 2020 10:59:57
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <rpe9m0$k55$3@dont-email.me>,
    Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:

    Siri Cruise wrote:

    In article <rpe3pg$8l0$1@adenine.netfront.net>,
    Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:

    Siri Cruise wrote:

    In article <rpbqd9$1er4$1@adenine.netfront.net>,
    Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:

    I can no longer compile to 10.15 because Apple deleted
    MacOSX10.15.sdk. How rude.

    Not sure if I understand - setting "Deployment target" to an older >> >> version
    is
    enough to be able to run apps compiled with newer SDK on an older
    system
    (at
    least that's what works for me). Is there any reason you keep older >> >> SDK
    around?

    Since the machine is running 10.15 I need a 10.15 sdk to compile
    for the machine I'm compiling on.

    That's simply not true. I know from first-hand experience you don't need >> SDK
    10.15 at all to compile and run code in XCode 12.2 on macOS 10.15.7 - SDK
    11.0
    already contains everything you need.

    How did you fix darwin_check_fd_set_overflow?

    I've never encountered this problem.

    Compile postgres.

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  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, November 22, 2020 19:07:09
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2020-11-22, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    In article <rpe45f$9d1$1@adenine.netfront.net>,
    Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:

    I have no problems with XCode 12.2.

    I suspect that, as you are the only one who has problems, you did
    something silly.

    XCode 12.2 compiles old code going back to OS X 10.12 by actual
    test. I haven’t got older stuff immediately available, and have very
    little incentive to dig older code out.

    AFAIK it can compile all the way back to 10.9.

    How did you fix the darwin_check_fd_set_overflow error?

    Now you're trying to move the goalpost.

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  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, November 22, 2020 19:11:12
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2020-11-22, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    In article <rpe3pg$8l0$1@adenine.netfront.net>,
    Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
    Siri Cruise wrote:
    In article <rpbqd9$1er4$1@adenine.netfront.net>,
    Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:

    I can no longer compile to 10.15 because Apple deleted
    MacOSX10.15.sdk. How rude.

    Not sure if I understand - setting "Deployment target" to an older
    version is enough to be able to run apps compiled with newer SDK
    on an older system (at least that's what works for me). Is there
    any reason you keep older SDK around?

    Since the machine is running 10.15 I need a 10.15 sdk to compile for
    the machine I'm compiling on.

    That's simply not true. I know from first-hand experience you don't
    need SDK 10.15 at all to compile and run code in XCode 12.2 on macOS
    10.15.7 - SDK 11.0 already contains everything you need.

    How did you fix darwin_check_fd_set_overflow?

    That has nothing to do with SDKs in Xcode. And are you new to the
    internet or something? A simple two-second web search turns up this:

    <https://www.postgresql-archive.org/PATCH-1-1-Fix-compilation-on-mac-with-Xcode-gt-11-4-td6163731.html>

    If you are having problems compiling postgres, you should do some basic research on the errors you are encountering. Stop being a lazy
    douchebag.

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  • From Krzysztof Mitko@invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, November 22, 2020 19:38:33
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Siri Cruise wrote:

    In article <rpe9m0$k55$3@dont-email.me>,
    Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:

    Siri Cruise wrote:

    In article <rpe3pg$8l0$1@adenine.netfront.net>,
    Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:

    Siri Cruise wrote:

    In article <rpbqd9$1er4$1@adenine.netfront.net>,
    Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:

    I can no longer compile to 10.15 because Apple deleted
    MacOSX10.15.sdk. How rude.

    Not sure if I understand - setting "Deployment target" to an older >> >> >> version
    is
    enough to be able to run apps compiled with newer SDK on an older >> >> >> system
    (at
    least that's what works for me). Is there any reason you keep older
    SDK
    around?

    Since the machine is running 10.15 I need a 10.15 sdk to compile
    for the machine I'm compiling on.

    That's simply not true. I know from first-hand experience you don't need
    SDK
    10.15 at all to compile and run code in XCode 12.2 on macOS 10.15.7 - SDK
    11.0
    already contains everything you need.

    How did you fix darwin_check_fd_set_overflow?

    I've never encountered this problem.

    Compile postgres.

    No problem, here's the log from successfull compilation with SDK 11.0 on Catalina:


    <https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0BZIPLNv-zEuQOQ5STkvhluuA#postgres_compilation>

    It's not a XCode project, so I compiled from CLI. And before you ask: I'm not going to waste more time compiling open source projects for you. It looks like your system is messed up.

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