I did mention before that a contested election could end up being an absolute nightmare for the country. If neither candidate is willing to admit defeat and
they end up seeking lawful intervention, this statemate could go on for days or
even weeks. Trump has already hinted that if he loses it'll be because of shenanigans carried out by the other side... Biden, likewise, will be no different as he'll be taking Hilary's advice which is not to concede defeat. I
just hope this will come to a reasonable conclusion and the public don't exercise civil unrest as a consequence.
On 11/4/2020 12:14 PM, Andeddu wrote:
I did mention before that a contested election could end up being an absol nightmare for the country. If neither candidate is willing to admit defeat and
they end up seeking lawful intervention, this statemate could go on for da or
even weeks. Trump has already hinted that if he loses it'll be because of shenanigans carried out by the other side... Biden, likewise, will be no different as he'll be taking Hilary's advice which is not to concede defea I
just hope this will come to a reasonable conclusion and the public don't exercise civil unrest as a consequence.
I think it will largely come down to PA in the end... a strong win there either way will probably sinch it. I'm somewhat surprised Biden took Arizona, not completely, but a little. I think we're second to TX on
expats from California though.
I think it will largely come down to PA in the end... a strong win there either way will probably sinch it. I'm somewhat surprised Biden took Arizona, not completely, but a little. I think we're second to TX on
expats from California though.
I am an outsider but I find politics in the USA fascinating. I was expecting Trump to win but I was unable to judge the national mood. It's sitting at 253-214 in favour of Biden as we speak, so poor Trump's path to victory is getting narrower and narrower.
I am an outsider but I find politics in the USA fascinating. I was expecting Trump to win but I was unable to judge the national mood. It's sitting at 253-214 in favour of Biden as we speak, so poor Trump's path to victory is getting narrower and narrower.
It has been 264-214 (Biden-Trump) since yesterday afternoon. One thing I find a bit hilarious is that Trump is trying to sue some states to get them to recount votes where his vote count is lower than Joe Biden's. But I've also heard of some possible suspicious vote counting activity in some states where Joe Biden is ahead. Since the electoral college vote count has been the same since ysterday afternoon, I assume stuff is going on related to recounting votes. I don't know exactly what all is going on right now though.
Either Trump is just butthurt over receiving fewer votes than Biden, or perhaps there really is some suspicious voting fraud going on..
Re: Re: Contested Election
By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Wed Nov 04 2020 04:31 pm
I think it will largely come down to PA in the end... a strong win
there either way will probably sinch it. I'm somewhat surprised Biden
took Arizona, not completely, but a little. I think we're second to
TX on expats from California though.
I am an outsider but I find politics in the USA fascinating. I was expecting Trump to win but I was unable to judge the national mood. It's sitting at 253-214 in favour of Biden as we speak, so poor Trump's path to victory is getting narrower and narrower.
I think it will largely come down to PA in the end... a strong win there either way will probably sinch it. I'm somewhat surprised Biden took Arizona, not completely, but a little. I think we're second to TX on
expats from California though.
Some of both... there's some fishy things... also, Trump wants to
prevent counting of ballots that arrived after the election polls
closed, for example AZ already prohibits counting of ballots not
received by election day (not just postmarked by), which is why it
wasn't called out here.
Each state has some differing rules.
Each state has some differing rules.
A deadline is a deadline. It has always been that way for voting - You need to get your vote in on time or it won't be counted.
Tracker1 wrote to Nightfox <=-find
On 11/5/2020 2:08 PM, Nightfox wrote:
It has been 264-214 (Biden-Trump) since yesterday afternoon. One thing I
a bit hilarious is that Trump is trying to sue some states to get themperhap
to recount votes where his vote count is lower than Joe Biden's. But
I've also heard of some possible suspicious vote counting activity in
some states where Joe Biden is ahead. Since the electoral college vote count has been the same since ysterday afternoon, I assume stuff is
going on related to recounting votes. I don't know exactly what all is going on right now though.
Either Trump is just butthurt over receiving fewer votes than Biden, or
s there really is some suspicious voting fraud going on..
Some of both... there's some fishy things... also, Trump wants to
prevent counting of ballots that arrived after the election polls
closed, for example AZ already prohibits counting of ballots not
received by election day (not just postmarked by), which is why it
wasn't called out here.
Each state has some differing rules.
Re: Re: Contested Election
Some of both... there's some fishy things... also, Trump wants to
prevent counting of ballots that arrived after the election polls
closed, for example AZ already prohibits counting of ballots not
received by election day (not just postmarked by), which is why it
wasn't called out here.
A deadline is a deadline. It has always been that way for voting - You need get your vote in on time or it won't be counted.
Re: Re: Contested Election
Some of both... there's some fishy things... also, Trump wants to prevent counting of ballots that arrived after the election polls closed, for example AZ already prohibits counting of ballots not received by election day (not just postmarked by), which is why it wasn't called out here.
A deadline is a deadline. It has always been that way for voting - You need get your vote in on time or it won't be counted.
I find it difficult to believe, with ALL that the anti-Trumpers have done to try and remove him, including censorship, biasing information, using Big Tec to try and "prevent the next Trump situation", censoring the New York Post, turning a blind eye to violent riots, that none of these people would consid maybe messing with the voting process to stop someone they believe is litera a Fascist.
I think it will largely come down to PA in the end... a strong win there
either way will probably sinch it. I'm somewhat surprised Biden took
Arizona, not completely, but a little. I think we're second to TX on
expats from California though.
You know, you'd expect California expats to be the ones that were trying to escape the leftist and high taxes, yet it sounds like they are just
bringing it with them. That is sad.
Some of both... there's some fishy things... also, Trump wants to
prevent counting of ballots that arrived after the election polls
closed, for example AZ already prohibits counting of ballots not
received by election day (not just postmarked by), which is why it
wasn't called out here.
Each state has some differing rules.
I find it difficult to believe, with ALL that the anti-Trumpers have done to try and remove him, including censorship, biasing information, using Big Tech to try and "prevent the next Trump situation", censoring the New York Post, turning a blind eye to violent riots, that none of these people would consider
maybe messing with the voting process to stop someone they believe is literally
a Fascist.
I'd like to also ad the AZ has a large population of immigrants from mexico and columbia. Many undocumented. I think the problem we are going to see is identifiying voters. What trump is contesting is counting illegal votes.
I am an outsider but I find politics in the USA fascinating. I was expecting Trump to win but I was unable to judge the national mood. It's sitting at 253-214 in favour of Biden as we speak, so poor Trump's path to victory is getting narrower and narrower.
In the end, I'm just glad neither party has control over the Presidency
and both houses of congress, which is when really bad stuff can and
often happens. Conflict, negotiation and compromise are essential to
our functioning society and if one side gets too much control, it won't
go well for the public.
they are preventing voting observers, i have seen a video of them throwing ball
ts away, us postal is screwing up all over and we have some areas that have a h
ge percentage of voters which is honestly impossible.
A deadline is a deadline. It has always been that way for voting - You need to
get your vote in on time or it won't be counted.
I find it difficult to believe, with ALL that the anti-Trumpers have done to >try and remove him, including censorship, biasing information, using Big Tech >to try and "prevent the next Trump situation", censoring the New York Post, >turning a blind eye to violent riots, that none of these people would consider >maybe messing with the voting process to stop someone they believe is literally
a Fascist.
Tracker1 wrote to Dennisk <=-Tech
On 11/6/2020 8:36 PM, Dennisk wrote:
Some of both... there's some fishy things... also, Trump wants to
prevent counting of ballots that arrived after the election polls
closed, for example AZ already prohibits counting of ballots not
received by election day (not just postmarked by), which is why it
wasn't called out here.
Each state has some differing rules.
I find it difficult to believe, with ALL that the anti-Trumpers have done to try and remove him, including censorship, biasing information, using Big
to try and "prevent the next Trump situation", censoring the New York Post, turning a blind eye to violent riots, that none of these people wouldconsider
maybe messing with the voting process to stop someone they believe isliterall
y
a Fascist.
I agree... I think there's some fishy things going on in several locations. Most locations that are effected are those that would have gone biden anyway, where it really matters is in some of the closer states. I think MI, PA, GA and NC are probably seeing a lot of
issues... I'm not quite as concerned with GA and NC as I am MI and PA though.
The trouble is proving it, and even then, what the solution is. Do
these states allow for redress under the law, a re-vote or runoff? I don't know offhand.
I do have some ideas on how to handle this in a way that prevents
putting a thumb on the scale, but wouldn't likely see it in even 1/3
the country before 2024 just because of legal hurdles.
I find it difficult to believe, with ALL that the anti-Trumpers have done to try and remove him, including censorship, biasing information, using Big Tech to try and "prevent the next Trump situation", censoring the New York Post, turning a blind eye to violent riots, that none of these people would consider maybe messing with the voting process to stop someone they believe is literally a Fascist.
they are preventing voting observers, i have seen a video of themball
throwing
ts away, us postal is screwing up all over and we have some areas thath
have a
ge percentage of voters which is honestly impossible.
Don't know if this is true but, supposedly, more people voted in your state than there are registered voters.
It has been 264-214 (Biden-Trump) since yesterday afternoon. One thing I find a bit hilarious is that Trump is trying to sue some states to get them to recount votes where his vote count is lower than Joe Biden's. But I've also heard of some possible suspicious vote counting activity in some states where Joe Biden is ahead. Since the electoral college vote count has been the same since ysterday afternoon, I assume stuff is going on related to recounting votes. I don't know exactly what all is going on right now though.
Either Trump is just butthurt over receiving fewer votes than Biden, or perhaps there really is some suspicious voting fraud going on..
there's a lot of fake ass voting.
hell, i just looked up My voting history online. i only vote for mayors, governors and presidents. they have me down voting for everything.
someone was stealing MY votes all this time.
they are preventing voting observers, i have seen a video of them throwing ballots away, us postal is screwing up all over and we have some areas that have a huge percentage of voters which is honestly impossible.
I am an outsider but I find politics in the USA fascinating. I was expecti Trump to win but I was unable to judge the national mood. It's sitting at 253-214 in favour of Biden as we speak, so poor Trump's path to victory is getting narrower and narrower.
The US press expected Biden to win big. He has not. A lot of folks who voted Trump, and maybe not for Democrats for President in general, don't see to answer political poll calls any more.
* SLMR 2.1a * I used to have a life, now I have a modem.
Yes. I'm not suggesting that there is impropriety, but I find the
media's take that any suggestion that there is, is ridiculous, to be troubling.
It's simply an extrapolation of past behaviour. Imagine if in 1930,
that people rubbished claims made that Al Capone may have also cheated
on his taxes. Given what we knew about the guy, it wasn't exactly
outside of character, was it?
Trump has very good reason to be suspicious, and I would say that even
if Trump was ahead, the Biden camp would also have good reason (though
less so).
The solution is to have good faith actors, impartial and honest
involved. How to do that is difficult. I would say you need a lot of oversight, MORE eyes on the process. Having the windows boarded up during counts is suspicious
indeed.
no that's not true. they had a lot of people that apparently registered the day
they voted.
i just dont believe that many people voted. you could be handing out 100 dolla
bills and only 50% of the people would show up for that.
A TV station here in Spain had a programme in which they visited villages were >there were known Vox (Spanish "Trump") supporters. They would go around asking >the locals "Do you know there were 3 votes for Vox from this village last >election? Who do you think this extremists were?" They would keep asking >around until they figured it out from the answers of the people or the voters >stepped forward, at which point they were put to public shame.
I think tagging and cancellation culture are very real, which is why I have >been switching my voting from parties I have a 90% affinity with to parties I >have a 60% affinity with but have pledged to fight this crap.
The US press expected Biden to win big. He has not. A lot of folks who voted Trump, and maybe not for Democrats for President in general, don't seem to answer political poll calls any more.
On 10/19/2020 7:49 AM, Dennisk wrote:
Yes. I'm not suggesting that there is impropriety, but I find the
media's take that any suggestion that there is, is ridiculous, to be troubling.
I agree... there probably is some level of election fraud, at the lowest/closest level, someone throwing out their spouse's ballot because they vote for the other party. Corrupt mail carriers or people at
polling stations. Transporters from drop off locations to counting locations.
It's simply an extrapolation of past behaviour. Imagine if in 1930,
that people rubbished claims made that Al Capone may have also cheated
on his taxes. Given what we knew about the guy, it wasn't exactly
outside of character, was it?
Trump has very good reason to be suspicious, and I would say that even
if Trump was ahead, the Biden camp would also have good reason (though less so).
I also agree, and Trump called it out in 2016 even though he won.
The solution is to have good faith actors, impartial and honest
involved. How to do that is difficult. I would say you need a lot of oversight, MORE eyes on the process. Having the windows boarded up during counts is suspicious
indeed.
I think there is some fishiness.. but closing up windows when you have a relatively large mob of people banging on doors and windows isn't
something I would consider fishy in and of itself. There is usually
good coverage of observers in most locations around the country... some stuff is/was a bit fishy and ballots without a postmark or chain of
custody are concerning. Similar for reports of shuffling/comingling
ballots to be counted.
I will say here are a *LOT* of people who despite their political
leanings one way or the other are absolutely serious about preventing election fraud.
Aside: I hope to god that the discussion of "smart contracts" or other bitcoin/blockchain voting can stop... we had to test the tech at work,
and it literally took over a week to handle what we need to be able to
do in seconds on the printing side. Events can still be signed/verified with private keys, but the transaction time for blockchain networks is
way too slow to work when printing that many pieces, and the only way to speed that up is to control the network/chain, which negates the added value.
Seems like there may be evidence of a scandal in key states. I don't think Trump is dumb enough to kick off and delegitimise the democratic process if didn't have an ace up his sleeve.
Seems like there may be evidence of a scandal in key states. I don't think Trump is dumb enough to kick off and delegitimise the democratic process if didn't have an ace up his sleeve.
I agree... there probably is some level of election fraud, at the lowest/closest level, someone throwing out their spouse's ballot because
they vote for the other party.
I agree... there probably is some level of election fraud, at the
lowest/closest level, someone throwing out their spouse's ballot
because they vote for the other party.
Or refuse to drive them to the polls. I am related to a D that used to do that to their R spouse. They are no longer married. It is also one of the reasons I am not, and will never be, a D.
At the very least Trump wants to show Americans how corrupt it's election system is. I don't think any votes will get overturned but I do think we will all be reminded just how flawed our elections are and how corrupts the Democrats are. So you want more government. Now you have it. Bring on the free money. Burn the cities, defund the cops. God Bless America!
Yep, my crazy democrat gf told me she would kick me out if i voted. this is th
one who would talk about donald trump all day. i've been free of her since 201
8. life is good.
Arelor's point as a good one though. If you legitimise fraud once, it'll be all
you'll get ever after. Trump was enroute to print the Dollar into oblivion >anyway. Both the Democrats and Republicans were pushing for more quantatitive >easing, and the Democrats have plans to expand the currency supply further by a
large margin. Trump wasn't as fiscally responsible as people made him out to >be. He called out Obama for using the Fed to fund BIG government, but ended up >expanding over his predecessor.
Yep, my crazy democrat gf told me she would kick me out if i voted.th
this is
one who would talk about donald trump all day. i've been free of her201
since
8. life is good.
Sounds like life would be better that way.
Ironically, or maybe not, the people I know who are most likely to be able to tell you what Trump "just tweeted" and that cannot stop talking about him are not Republicans or "Trumpsters." They are people who swear they cannot stand him yet they follow his every move a lot closer than I do when I cannot stand someone, even when they are the President.
no that's not true. they had a lot of people that apparently registered the day
they voted.
A lot of states won't allow you to register, and be eligible to vote, after
6 weeks or one month before an election.
i just dont believe that many people voted. you could be handing out 100 dolla
bills and only 50% of the people would show up for that.
Agreed.
yeah, trump is living rent free in their head. that's basically being psychoti
. those people honestly need help because they are taking out this aggression >n their friends, family and co workers.
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