Logic44 wrote to All <=-
What about trans people makes them inherently unfit to own a firearm?
Logic44 wrote to All <=-
The 2nd amendment shall not be infringed, and a restriction based
solely on identity sound like an infringement to me...
I've genuinely NEVER heard a good argument for this.
What about trans people makes them inherently unfit to own a firearm?
For safety reasons, we don't allow mentally people who have a gun.
All trans people are mentally ill.
Re: Re: Trans 2aADHD, it has no impact on their ability to effectively operate
By: Dr. What to Logic44 on Fri Jul 17 2026 07:45:00
For safety reasons, we don't allow mentally people who have a gun.
All trans people are mentally ill.
Based on what? Gender dysphoria?
This is on a similar level to not letting someone have a gun just because they have autism or
The 2nd amendment shall not be infringed, and a restriction based solely on identity sound like an infringement to me...
I've genuinely NEVER heard a good argument for this.
What about trans people makes them inherently unfit to own a firearm?
All trans people are mentally ill.
respect that person. However
some of the well known shooters in the trans community who have done those tragedies are under age
30, and what they did in British Columbia, Tennessee and Minnesota have held back firearm rights for
their community. Just because you were not treated well in school does not mean you have to reenact
the Jeremey music video from Pearl Jam.
Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-
All trans people are mentally ill.
Based on what? Gender dysphoria?
This is on a similar level to not letting someone have a gun just
because they have autism or ADHD, it has no impact on their ability to effectively operate or carry a firearm without being a danger to others
or themselves.
paulie420 wrote to Logic44 <=-
What about trans people makes them inherently unfit to own a firearm?
Nothing. I think its more about mental health, not sexual preference -
of any person; straight, gay, bi, etc...
Based on the idea that anyone who thinks they can change their gender is completely unhinged.Gender and sex are 2 different things, you're conflating the two.
Your strawman is very lame.Name ONE way being trans affects your ability to safely and effectively operate a firearm.
The root of it probably is in the drugs that a trans person takes to "transition". Many states already have laws on the books prohibiting drug users from owning firearms.
All trans people are mentally ill.
While I prolly align more with your views, this is silly.
paulie420 wrote to Logic44 <=-
What about trans people makes them inherently unfit to own a firearm?
Nothing. I think its more about mental health, not sexual preference - of any person; straight, gay, bi, etc...
The root of it probably is in the drugs that a trans person takes to "transition". Many states already have laws on the books prohibiting drug users from owning firearms.
... I'll have what the gentleman on the floor is having.
All trans people are mentally ill.
While I prolly align more with your views, this is silly.
How is it silly? Because it's not politically correct?
All trans people are mentally ill.
While I prolly align more with your views, this is silly.
How is it silly? Because it's not politically correct?
Because blanket condemning any group is silly. While I wouldn't choose trans anything for my life, there are wonderful trans people and mentally ill trans > people - just like theres wonderful white folks and terrible, wonderful men
and terrible, etc etc.
Being white is not the same as being someone who thinks they are a
gender they Are not.
All trans people are mentally ill.
While I prolly align more with your views, this is silly.
How is it silly? Because it's not politically correct?Because blanket condemning any group is silly. While I wouldn't choose t anything for my life, there are wonderful trans people and mentally ill
people - just like theres wonderful white folks and terrible, wonderfuand terrible, etc etc.
it's not silly if it's accurate. if you think you are a gender you are not, that's just crazy. Crazy people should not have weapons.
Being white is not the same as being someone who thinks they are a
gender they Are not.
They have a suicide rate close to 50%. Does that seem normal to you?
How is it silly? Because it's not politically correct?
Because blanket condemning any group is silly. While I wouldn't choose trans anything for my life, there are wonderful trans people and mentally ill trans people - just like theres wonderful white folks and terrible, wonderful men and terrible, etc etc.
gender they Are not.
They have a suicide rate close to 50%. Does that seem normal to you?
OMG - I can't belive I'm defending this community - but I think your
All trans people are mentally ill.
While I prolly align more with your views, this is silly.
How is it silly? Because it's not politically correct?Because blanket condemning any group is silly. While I wouldn't choose > MR> > > MR> > t anything for my life, there are wonderful trans people and
mentally
ill
people - just like theres wonderful white folks and terrible, wonderfuand terrible, etc etc.
it's not silly if it's accurate. if you think you are a gender you
are
not, that's just crazy. Crazy people should not have weapons.
Being white is not the same as being someone who thinks they are a gender they Are not.
They have a suicide rate close to 50%. Does that seem normal to you?
OMG - I can't belive I'm defending this community - but I think your condemning of ANY community with blanket BS is... BS.
They have a suicide rate close to 50%. Does that seem normal to you?
gender identity disorder is mental illness. they shouldn't have access to Firearms.
Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-
Based on the idea that anyone who thinks they can change their gender is completely unhinged.
Gender and sex are 2 different things, you're conflating the two.
Name ONE way being trans affects your ability to safely and effectively operate a firearm.
Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-
I don't think there are any states that prohibit firearm ownership
based on prescription medication.
paulie420 wrote to MRO <=-
Because blanket condemning any group is silly.
While I wouldn't choose
trans anything for my life, there are wonderful trans people and
mentally ill trans people - just like theres wonderful white folks and terrible, wonderful men and terrible, etc etc.
MRO wrote to paulie420 <=-
people with gender identity disorder are going through a lot and
deserve help. The suicide rate is high and they are in constant
turmoil.
Utopian Galt wrote to MRO <=-
I think there is the issue where we should be tactful, but you can
still be critical at the same time. Gender non conforming people have existed throughout history.
Outlaw wrote to paulie420 <=-
I had to train a trans person a few years back, He went by a female
name, One day he walked up to me and said he expected me to use his
proper pro-nouns.
I said "yes sir".
He had fathered children, he was 6'3" with a huge adams apple.
He's clearly a man, I would'nt play into his mental game.
Logic44 wrote to MRO <=-
What about a trans person makes them unfit to safely operate a firearm?
I still haven't gotten an answer to this, probably because y'all don't have one.
Matthew Munson wrote to LOGIC44 <=-
trans community who have done those tragedies are under age 30, and
what they did in British Columbia, Tennessee and Minnesota have held
back firearm rights for their community. Just because you were not
treated well in school does not mean you have to reenact the Jeremey
music video from Pearl Jam.
paulie420 wrote to Logic44 <=-
Nothing. I think its more about mental health, not sexual preference -
of any person; straight, gay, bi, etc...
Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-
I don't think there are any states that prohibit firearm ownership
based on prescription medication.
For one, i've always thought of you as one of the dumbest BBS 'community' members I've encountered. Not only are you ignorant, but you are stupid.
Go back to sucking the cocks of your krad buddies with their 10 page ansi Scrollers.
i've provided FACTS on this subject and i've talked about this quite a bit in The past.
For the other people who do not have shit for brains:
I care about these poor people and I want them to get help. They are in constant turmoil and what they go through is probably hell on earth. Nobody can imagine what they are going through.
This is indicative by their high suicide rate and other behaviors.
We need to stop overlooking their problems and get them help. Mental health needs to become a priority in our society.
What about a trans person makes them unfit to safely operate a firearm? I
still haven't gotten an answer to this, probably because y'all don't have
one.
You have gotten an answer. Several times now.
But the answers violate your false Narrative, so you ignore them.
For one, i've always thought of you as one of the dumbest BBS 'community' members I've encountered. Not only are you ignorant, but you are
stupid.
Paulie, go back to getting high and licking windows. Adults are talking here. Maybe stick to your circle jerks on angoranet or whatever it's called.
No. You are miseducated and parroting a Narrative that you don't understand.Complete projection, I understand it much more than you.
Oh, they can effectively operate a firearm - as they have done in several shootings.Being trans isn't mental illness, and the illness known as gender dysphoria is treated via gender affirming care.
Safety, on the other hand.... Being mentally ill does make people do things that put other people's safety at risk.
You have gotten an answer. Several times now.
But the answers violate your false Narrative, so you ignore them.
He only considers it an answer, if it goes along with his philosophy.
here. Maybe stick to your circle jerks on angoranet or whatever it's called.
:P Love being on the end of one of your tirades again... always fun on a random Sunday morning.
paulie420 wrote to Logic44 <=-
Nothing. I think its more about mental health, not sexual preference - of any person; straight, gay, bi, etc...
But the fallacy is making the assumption that being transgender is a
mental illness, which isn't true unless you try to define it as such.
One would imaging the sense of wellness someone who felt gender
dysphoria would have understanding it and taking steps towards becoming
Outlaw wrote to Dr. What <=-
He only considers it an answer, if it goes along with his philosophy.
Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-
Complete projection, I understand it much more than you.
Being trans isn't mental illness, and the illness known as gender dysphoria
is treated via gender affirming care.
Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-
No, I ignore them because they make zero sense, as none of the reasons listed are inherent to being trans.
Dr. What wrote to Logic44 <=-
Safety, on the other hand.... Being mentally ill does make people do things that put other people's safety at risk.
Dr. What wrote to Logic44 <=-
Then you haven't looked. Most states have laws that curtail your
rights if you are on certain medications - legally or not.
Dr. What wrote to paulie420 <=-
Because blanket condemning any group is silly.
Are you going to condemn all the Leftoids who call all white people
White Supremacists?
Dr. What wrote to Utopian Galt <=-
Not to the extent that they exist today.
Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-
Being trans isn't mental illness, and the illness known as gender dysphoria is treated via gender affirming care.
Dr. What wrote to Logic44 <=-
Safety, on the other hand.... Being mentally ill does make people do things that put other people's safety at risk.
If your premise that transgender people are mentally ill is flawed,
your argument fails.
... Accuse the opposition of your crimes, remove the moral high ground.
Dr. What wrote to paulie420 <=-
Because blanket condemning any group is silly.
Are you going to condemn all the Leftoids who call all white people White Supremacists?
Uh, yes? Why would that be an issue?
Name ONE way being trans affects your ability to safely and effectively operate a firearm.
How is it silly? Because it's not politically correct?
Because blanket condemning any group is silly. While I wouldn't choose trans anything for my life, there are wonderful trans people and mentally ill trans people - just like theres wonderful white folks and terrible, wonderful men and terrible, etc etc.
It's not hard to imagine reactionary groups trying to use non-traditional
gender choice and sexual preference to define mental illness in an
attempt to limit people's rights. First firearms, then what?
transgender as a basis for limiting access to firearms.
As I mentioned before, if your premise that transgender is a mental
illness, your argument fails.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-
If your premise that transgender people are mentally ill is flawed,
your argument fails.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-
Not to the extent that they exist today.
You need to understand the concept of "per capita".
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Logic44 <=-
I find it ironic that the people trying to deny gender affirming care
are all on-board with giving military servicemen testosterone
replacement therapy.
Arelor wrote to paulie420 <=-
That said, being ill does not mean you get disqualified the same way
you don't get disqualified for other pathologies. We let dissabled
people drive cars after all.
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
When you think everything is about yourself, that shows narcissistic tendencies.
If your premise that transgender people are mentally ill is flawed,
your argument fails.
Here in the U.S., you normally only have to reapply for your driver's license once every 5-10 years (varies by state), but after a certain age, most states make you reapply EVERY year so that you can be evaluated as to whether or not you are actually able to drive.
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
It's not hard to imagine reactionary groups trying to use non-traditional
gender choice and sexual preference to define mental illness in an
attempt to limit people's rights. First firearms, then what?
The notion that everything that happens in the political playground is
a movement against gays and trans is false, paranoid and tiresome.
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Only if you can back the notion that disphoria is not an illness
(against the arguments provided in this thread).
Bf2k+ wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
If your premise that transgender people are mentally ill is flawed,
your argument fails.
What's flawed?
XX=female
XY=male
It's called science. The rest is mental bullshit!
Dr. What wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-
Not to the extent that they exist today.
You need to understand the concept of "per capita".
I'll throw that back on you. You obviously don't understand the
concept of "per capita".
Dr. What wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
But facts and Leftoids don't mix.
By: Dr. What to Arelor on Tue Jul 21 2026 07:24 am
Here in the U.S., you normally only have to reapply for your driver's license once every 5-10 years (varies by state), but after a certain age, most states make you reapply EVERY year so that you can be evaluated as to whether or not you are actually able to drive.
What does reapplying for a driver's license entail (in some states)? I live in Oregon, and I've had a driver's license since 2001 - Since first getting my driver's license, I've renewed it a few times which has only involved filling out an application and getting a new photo; I haven't had to take any tests again or anything.
Straw Man argument. No one claims that everything that happens in
politics is anti-gay/trans, but when you have a document like Projecrt
2025 which our administration is following to the letter (and had the
author in the administration) it's pretty safe to say that LGBTQ+
rights are in jeopardy.
(against the arguments provided in this thread).
Not according to DSM-5.
You just contricted yourself.Dysphoria can be experienced by cis people, and is NOT inherent to being trans.
There's no such thing.MASSIVE cope lmao
Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness.Correct, but you don't understand the data that says the cure is GAC.
And you have only proven our point about Leftoids.
Have you met a transgender person who is not mentally ill? No you have not.
is very easy. Suicide rates among trans are noticeably higher (which in fact is a political point pro-trans politicians use all the time). Here in Spain you don't get issued a firearm permit if you are deemed to be in a noticeably high risk of suicide. So...
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Logic44 <=-
I find it ironic that the people trying to deny gender affirming care
are all on-board with giving military servicemen testosterone
replacement therapy.
There's a large difference between treating a man with testosterone and trying to turn a woman into a man by injecting her with testosterone.
But facts and Leftoids don't mix.
... You can close your eyes to reality but not to memories.
Straw Man argument. No one claims that everything that happens in
politics is anti-gay/trans, but when you have a document like Projecrt
but when you have a document like Projecrt
2025 which our administration is following to the letter (and had the
author in the administration) it's pretty safe to say that LGBTQ+
rights are in jeopardy.
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Only if you can back the notion that disphoria is not an illness (against the arguments provided in this thread).
Not according to DSM-5.
If your premise that transgender people are mentally ill is flawed,
your argument fails.
What's flawed?
XX=female
XY=male
It's called science. The rest is mental bullshit!
DSM-5 doesn't call transgender a mental illness. If you want to, go
ahead.
If it told the truth it wouldn't get published because of people like you.
It is not a strawman argument at all. A significant number of people I deal with seem to think every little thing the government does is specifically designed to target them. Which is bonkers.
so you have no problem with a grown man wearing a wig going into a public Change room and showing your daughter his penis? Would you defend his rights?
It seems like something that will improve america. We need this. lgbtqabcdefg rights are not in danger. they get human rights like everyone Else.
Nightfox wrote to Dr. What <=-
What does reapplying for a driver's license entail (in some states)?
Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-
Dysphoria can be experienced by cis people, and is NOT inherent to
being trans.
MASSIVE cope lmao
Correct, but you don't understand the data that says the cure is GAC.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
just when i think poindexter is a complete moron he tops himself a thousand Fold. It's hard to believe he's a person and not a bot.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Arelor <=-
Straw Man argument. No one claims that everything that happens in
politics is anti-gay/trans, but when you have a document like Projecrt
2025 which our administration is following to the letter (and had the
author in the administration) it's pretty safe to say that LGBTQ+
rights are in jeopardy.
Logic44 wrote to MRO <=-
Medical care has been taken,
the right to use the correct bathroom,
as I said earlier, this administration DID try to take away our 2nd amendment right.
If you can't actually engage, stop typing...
What's flawed?
XX=female
XY=male
It's called science. The rest is mental bullshit!
DSM-5 doesn't call transgender a mental illness. If you want to, go
ahead.
"cis" is a made up word with no meaning.Damn, guess I should tell the people who came up with LATIN that they're just bullshitting.
No, it's called "Reality". I know how leftoids hate Reality.What reality?
No such data exists.It does.
But, then, I understand that you can only take the word of the "experts" (you know, the ones who are out, standing in their fields) as opposed to thinking for yourself and seeing for yourself.Yeah, because most people ADMIT when they don't know shit instead of making it up.
If all you are going to do is quote the false
Narrative of your hive mind, stop posting.
Incorrect since they are attempting to use a physical medical procedure to correct a mental illness.Because that's what's proven to cure it.
Incorrect. A mentally ill man has no right to use the woman's bathroom.What man? We aren't talking about men.
Incorrect again. The laws prohibiting the mentally ill from owning guns has been on the books for decades.Gender dysphoria is NOT inherent to being trans. ***************************************
What does reapplying for a driver's license entail (in some states)?
They have to actually go a Secretary of State office as opposed to doing it via mail.
Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-
"cis" is a made up word with no meaning.
Damn, guess I should tell the people who came up with LATIN that
they're just bullshitting.
No, it's called "Reality". I know how leftoids hate Reality.
What reality?
No such data exists.
It does.
Yeah, because most people ADMIT when they don't know shit instead of making it up.
Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-
Ah, the false narrative known as Project 2025, totally not the playbook for this whole admin...
Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-
Incorrect since they are attempting to use a physical medical procedure to correct a mental illness.
Because that's what's proven to cure it.
Incorrect. A mentally ill man has no right to use the woman's bathroom.
What man? We aren't talking about men.
Incorrect again. The laws prohibiting the mentally ill from owning guns has been on the books for decades.
Gender dysphoria is NOT inherent to being trans.
Nightfox wrote to Dr. What <=-
I didn't even know a driver's license could be renewed by mail until
the last time I renewed mine several years ago.. Previously, I'd
always had to go in person, and they'd take a new photo of me. The
last time, I saw that you could fill out a form online and they just mailed me my new one with my previous photo on it.
A "trans-woman" is a mentally ill man. So, yes, we are talking about men. Reality, remember?
Doing a quick search for "Project 2025" and I see lots of Leftist web sites saying how bad it is.
Which is just proof that it's a good thing.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
just when i think poindexter is a complete moron he tops himself a thousand Fold. It's hard to believe he's a person and not a bot.
He is a bot. Just a flesh one. He sits in front of his TV every morning and > is told what to think for the day.
No such proof exists. The medical community has already admitted that.
Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-
And that, kids, is an example of what the word "Echochamber" means...
You mean the DSM-5 from 2013?
A "trans-woman" is a mentally ill man. So, yes, we are talking aboutmen.
Reality, remember?
That's YOUR reality, not actual, scientific reality.
The projection! Wow. I'd forgotten how much the Leftoids project.
Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-
Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: Dr. What to Logic44 on Sat Jul 25 2026 07:46:00
The projection! Wow. I'd forgotten how much the Leftoids project.
My guy, you literally said "It's good because you guys said it was bad" without even reading further into it, that's not projection, that's
just a fact about you that you don't like.
I ride SOLO.
And what science are you talking about?
Yeah, I bet.
Logic44 wrote to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: Gamgee to Logic44 on Sat Jul 25 2026 13:50:33
Yeah, I bet.
I love it when mfs say shit like this, because it isn't always
projection, but the amount of times it has been is way less than zero.
Every so often I'll send an exchange like this to my bf, he finds it
just as dumb as I do...
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/trgh.2023.0087 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2789423 https:/ /journals.lww.com/prsgo/fulltext/10.1097/gox.0000000000006911~an-assessm ent-of-the-longitudinal-impact-of-gender-affirming?context=latestarticles
I think the best part about this is that I can keep finding these, and I get new, different search results almost every fuckin time lmao
There's certainly no shortage of bullshit on the internet...
Bf2k+ wrote to Logic44 <=-
There's certainly no shortage of bullshit on the internet...
Anyways, you gonna read them and admit you're wrong, or not?
That's always been the case. But now we have to deal with propaganda too.
I prefer to laugh at your idiocy...
Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-
That's always been the case. But now we have to deal with propaganda too.
Scientific journals are propaganda?
Sounds like you should take a propaganda at it, buddy.
Bf2k+ wrote to Logic44 <=-
Anyways, you gonna read them and admit you're wrong, or not?
I prefer to laugh at your idiocy...
For those of us with a working brain, we discovered long ago that "science" got corrupted by the Left. Too many "scientific" papers come out with a clear bias and blatently ignore evidence that they don't agree with.
That's usually the best. Those people have been fully vaccinated against facts - especially ones that go against their false Narrative.
Related to the "debate" at hand:
https://stonetoss.com/comic/monkey-paw/
Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-
So you're just anti-intellectual and can't debate, got it...
If your position were correct, there'd be evidence by now, you're just wrong.
Wow. The projection is infinite from Leftoids.
And the complete lack of self-awareness.
There's piles of evidence that I am correct.
The problem is that your filter won't let you see it because it would prove you wrong. And Leftoids can never be wrong.
Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-
Who's the one denying evidence?
You don't seem to understand the difference between Propaganda and Evidence.100% projection, you project and then say I'M projecting?
Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-
Who's the one denying evidence?
You don't seem to understand the difference between Propaganda and Evidence.
But that's not a surprise since you have no critical thinking skills and the TV didn't tell you to think that way today.
... To know the road ahead, ask those coming back.
I read an interesting theory the other day and actually had a bit of a debate with some guys at work. The article went on to explain that trans is considered a birth defect. I thought hmmm. I guess I mean, the argument is such that biologically we are designed to pro create and have very distinguished gender roles. I'm still trying to wrap my head around this.. has anyone else heard about this theory or proposition?
Darkman Almighty wrote to Dr. What <=-
I read an interesting theory the other day and actually had a bit of a debate with some guys at work. The article went on to explain that
trans is considered a birth defect.
I haven't heard that one. It seems like they are working to make "trans" a physical illness rather than the mental illness that it is. I guess they need to deflect blame away from their operatives in the schools that push children toward getting their healthy body parts chopped off.
Now, I have seen some work on homosexuality being tied to the wide-spread use of birth control pills (there's a unintentional pun in there). No "smoking gun" on that yet, but the evidence so far seems to point that way. Imagine being delusional enough to think that trans adults don't grow up from being trans kids...
Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: Darkman Almighty to Dr. What on Sun Aug 02 2026 13:33:00
I read an interesting theory the other day and actually had a bit of a debate with some guys at work. The article went on to explain that tran considered a birth defect. I thought hmmm. I guess I mean, the argument such that biologically we are designed to pro create and have very distinguished gender roles. I'm still trying to wrap my head around thi has anyone else heard about this theory or proposition?
Do you have a link to that? It sounds kinda odd.
I think it's as much of a birth defect as being born intersex, as in, it barely qualifies as one.
Trans people are able to procreate, so I don't see what you're getting
at. Sure, trans women can't get pregnant, but trans men can... ***************************************
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I don't have the link no. I won't pretend to be an expert subject matter here but yes trans can have kids. I think theres just so many variations that its not clear. A colleague in my office is a woman trans to man and recently married a woman who I also work with. Ive known the two of them for years. When he was a she, she was married to a trans man(woman). I suppose if the genitalia lines up you have a baby making ability... they did not. What I had trouble understanding was you were a woman and like men but in the new scenario they are now a man and with a woman. Vaginas a common theme here. I'm not sure I want to label him as having a birth defect and I'm not sure about some mental condition either. It's def confusing for me as I'm sure it is for others.
Logic44 wrote to Darkman Almighty <=-
Your sexuality might change based on where you are in your transition. Some people who were dating men pre-transition might date women post-transition. Shit just happens sometimes, humans are odd.
We're only just now starting to understand how brains work, or at least
we have a much better understanding than before...
We're only just now starting to understand how brains work, or at least
we have a much better understanding than before...
Ummm, have to disagree there. The brain has been well-understood for decades, at least. When is "before"?
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