HusTler wrote to All <=-
So is anyone getting the third Covid Booster?? I'm done with all this bullshit myself.
|07 HusTler
Not sure yet. Worried about side effects. Even the original jabs I got gave a reaction for about 48 hours. Nothing major but doesn't fit in with my work schedule..... Plus since then, about 6 months later, I got very sick with Covid-like symptoms that lasted about 13 days. Kept me in bed for 4 days wit fever.....
work schedule..... Plus since then, about 6 months later, I got very sick with Covid-like symptoms that lasted about 13 days. Kept me in bed for 4 days with fever.....
my work schedule..... Plus since then, about 6 months later, I got very sick with Covid-like symptoms that lasted about 13 days. Kept me in bed for 4 days wit fever.....
We have seen the suspicious post shot sickness with some frequency around here, including fever that does not go away with classical fever meds. My own father got it. Not pretty.
Baring some edge cases, adverse reactions from the jab don't look bad-bad but we have had some patients cancel routine revisions because the side effects. Nobody is going to a routine revision if the feel like somebody has been beating them with a sledgehammer all day long.
If you can't categorically affirm you have antibodies and you are in a risk group (depends on area, but let's say if you are over 70 you are a candidate) then the shot makes sense. Otherwise I am not sure, since the thing has non-trivial potential of making you feel as bad as the disease itself.
We have seen the suspicious post shot sickness with some frequency
around here, including fever that does not go away with classical
fever meds. My own father got it. Not pretty.
So is anyone getting the third Covid Booster?? I'm done with all
this bullshit myself.
Not sure yet. Worried about side effects. Even the original jabs I got gave me a reaction for about 48 hours. Nothing major but doesn't fit in with my work schedule..... Plus since then, about 6 months later, I got very sick with Covid-like symptoms that lasted about 13 days. Kept me in bed for 4 days with fever.....
Tracker1 wrote to Arelor <=-
Funny how Gavin Newsom disappeared from the news media right after
getting his booster.
Wow. Sorry for your pain. It's hard to know who to believe. In my area there has been a rise in Covid cases with school closures being the new thing. Just when you think it's safe to go out you discover the disease is back.
That's the rumor. Guillain-Barre disease is what the rumor mill is saying.
Re: Re: Booster
By: Hustler to Thumper on Fri Nov 12 2021 08:28 am
Wow. Sorry for your pain. It's hard to know who to believe. In my area there has been a rise in Covid cases with school closures being the new thing. Just when you think it's safe to go out you discover the disease is back.
Back? It hasn't gone away.
Nightfox
the media says it goes away and comes back.
have to keep it active.
the media says it goes away and comes back.
have to keep it active.
Our local media seems to be good at reminding us that it is still here,
just in lower numbers but, yeah, on a national level I see a lot of things that would lead one to believe it has been OK at times to try to go back to normal.... just so we can have another "comeback" later.
Our local media seems to be good at reminding us that it is still here, just in lower numbers but, yeah, on a national level I see a lot of things that would lead one to believe it has been OK at times to try to go back to
normal.... just so we can have another "comeback" later.
this was july in my area when they said it was okay to go out if you are vacci
ted.
milwaukee bucks parade
https://i.imgur.com/wkJ9MKh.png
guess what happened later?
Our local media seems to be good at reminding us that it is still here, just in lower numbers but, yeah, on a national level I see a lot of things that would lead one to believe it has been OK at times to try to go back to
normal.... just so we can have another "comeback" later.
this was july in my area when they said it was okay to go out if you are vacci
ted.
Yeah, I will have to admit they got lax here then, too, probably because
the President had said sometime recent to that, that you didn't need a mask any more if you were vaxed.
milwaukee bucks parade
https://i.imgur.com/wkJ9MKh.png
guess what happened later?
A spike, no doubt. If it was an NBA parade, I am not surprised that they encouraged it.
Tracker1 wrote to Arelor <=-
Funny how Gavin Newsom disappeared from the news media right after
getting his booster.
That's the rumor. Guillain-Barre disease is what the rumor mill is saying.
But we can expect the cover up on this one to be very dense. We'll probably never know the facts.
That's the rumor. Guillain-Barre disease is what the rumor mill is saying.
That is one of the diseases that is on the vax check-off sheet that they
give you before getting a vax, not just the COVID vax. I don't think it would be on the sheet if it wasn't a risk.
OTOH, if he got the first two shots, I am surprised the third one would
cause an issue, unless he changed brands.
Due to evidence suggesting that its effacacy drops off faster, the Pfizer booster is a full dose (i.e. same as the original two). The Moderna
booster is only half a dose. If the full dose x2 didn't cause problems for
a patient, it would be surprising that a half-dose suddenly would.
Tracker1 wrote to Dr. What <=-
Everyone else in my household is vax'd, and I'm not anti-vax, but anti-mandate... and I can empathize with those that don't trust pharma
and the govt.
I just love when the Left accuses people of being "anti-vax" since the COV "vaccine" isn't a vaccine.
Everyone else in my household is vax'd, and I'm not anti-vax, but
anti-mandate... and I can empathize with those that don't trust
pharma and the govt.
I just love when the Left accuses people of being "anti-vax" since the COVID "vaccine" isn't a vaccine.
And the actual science does not support the idea that EVERYONE needs to get the jab. The science shows that only a small percentage would benefit from it.
Yet the Left keeps pushing the Narrative that everyone needs it for some reason.
GBS isn't an absolute trigger... for reference, there's roughly a 5%
chance of having GBS more than once, but any vaccine or viral infection
can increase that risk in absolute and relative terms.
GBS hasn't had enough study to determine a concrete trigger, it's
generally considered a hyperactive response to infection, there are also other autoimmune disorders that can be problematic.
I just love when the Left accuses people of being "anti-vax" since the COV "vaccine" isn't a vaccine.
What bullshit conspiracy shit are you watching on YouTube?
Re: Re: Booster
By: phiax to Dr. What on Wed Nov 24 2021 09:29 am
I just love when the Left accuses people of being "anti-vax" since
the COV "vaccine" isn't a vaccine.
What bullshit conspiracy shit are you watching on YouTube?
Heh, I doubt it's worth your time feeding the trolls. Look at the phrases the What uses consistently... What's been dropped on their head a few too many times to make even a single rational statement.
Denn wrote to Dr. What <=-
I just love when the Left accuses people of being "anti-vax" since the COVID "vaccine" isn't a vaccine.
It's not a *TRUE* vaccine but the whole world calls it that, therefor
I use their terminology as to not confuse them further.
The reason is to controll the masses, the virus was a godsend for
leftist elitists.
phiax wrote to Dr. What <=-
I just love when the Left accuses people of being "anti-vax" since the COV "vaccine" isn't a vaccine.
What kind of paste-eating lunacy is that? It is a vaccine.
phiax wrote to Dr. What <=-
I just love when the Left accuses people of being "anti-vax" since the COV "vaccine" isn't a vaccine.
What kind of paste-eating lunacy is that? It is a vaccine.
mechanism of how it works is to train the white blood production to
Dumas Walker wrote to TRACKER1 <=-
Has there ever been any concrete explanation given as to why he was "missing" for a few days?
MRO wrote to Trikester <=-
hey random guy. we're not trolls.
phiax wrote to Dr. What <=-
I just love when the Left accuses people of being "anti-vax" since
the COV "vaccine" isn't a vaccine.
What kind of paste-eating lunacy is that? It is a vaccine.
Has anyone notice that when the Leftie Elites (like Alan, Lee, Dale, etc.) stop posting for a while, yet another Leftie loon pops up with the same BS?
hey random guy. we're not trolls.
Trikester's not a random guy.
Have you ever noticed that when the other members of the ignorant Left stop posting for a while, that we mysteriously start getting others that sound like them?
It's not a *TRUE* vaccine but the whole world calls it that,
therefor I use their terminology as to not confuse them further.
I can understand that. But words have power.
People understand what a "vaccine" is. We've all had our MMR shots. I remember taking the polio vaccine.
Yet the Left keeps pushing the Narrative that everyone
needs it for some reason.
Nope. New here.
Of course, how do I know you and Dr. What aren't the same moron?
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
Has anyone notice that when the Leftie Elites (like Alan, Lee, Dale, etc.) stop posting for a while, yet another Leftie loon pops up with the same BS?
this guy is multiboxing his replies, too. i'm willing to bet he's those
2 people with different posting names. ---
Denn wrote to Dr. What <=-
People understand what a "vaccine" is. We've all had our MMR shots. I remember taking the polio vaccine.
Yes, and very few people in my lifetime got polio, the reason for that
is because it was a vaccine and it actually prevents Polio unlike the covid shot that dosen't even keep you from getting or spreading covid.
Ogg wrote to Dr. What <=-
Yet the Left keeps pushing the Narrative that everyone
needs it for some reason.
Follow the money.
Nope. New here.
Of course, how do I know you and Dr. What aren't the same moron?
Follow the money.
I've followed that, but it only seems to lead back to big pharma and
their investors in congress.
But it still make no sense. More and more evidence is out that the not-vax is killing people. That erodes trust in big pharma (as in "I'm not buying your new drug") and puts a good number of people in some legal crosshairs.
Follow the money.
I've followed that, but it only seems to lead back to big pharma
and their investors in congress.
But it still make no sense. More and more evidence is out that the
not-vax is killing people. That erodes trust in big pharma (as in
"I'm not buying your new drug") and puts a good number of people in
some legal crosshairs.
Covid (C.O.V.I.D) is an acronym for covert operation virulent
insertion device.
Hello Dr. What!
** On Friday 26.11.21 - 14:23, Dr. What wrote to Ogg:
Follow the money.
I've followed that, but it only seems to lead back to big pharma and their investors in congress.
But it still make no sense. More and more evidence is out that the not-vax is killing people. That erodes trust in big pharma (as in "I'm not buying your new drug") and puts a good number of people in some legal crosshairs.
Covid (C.O.V.I.D) is an acronym for covert operation virulent
insertion device.
--- OpenXP 5.0.50I was reading a post here somewhere on how antivax stuff was not present on BBSs, but let's face it: BBSs don't require much bandwidth to operate, Facebook is becoming more and more cluttered and heavy every day. Let me go straight to the point:
* Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)
þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
And the actual science does not support the idea that EVERYONE needs to get the jab. The science shows that only a small percentage would benefit from it.
hey random guy. we're not trolls. i dont think you know the meaning of the word. we arent saying stuff to get a reaction.
that being said, anybody that is pro covid vaccine is an idiot. it's useless and probably worse than having no jab at all.
And the actual science does not support the idea that EVERYONE needs
to get the jab. The science shows that only a small percentage would
benefit from it.
And of course you have proof to back up this claim?
Re: Re: Booster
By: Dr. What to Tracker1 on Wed Nov 24 2021 08:02:00
And the actual science does not support the idea that EVERYONE needs to g the jab. The science shows that only a small percentage would benefit fr it.
And of course you have proof to back up this claim?
Eric
Which is the reason why some doctors I know are saying that the jab makes sense after 52 years of age but that it is debatable
at best before, and plain counterproductive for kids.
that being said, anybody that is pro covid vaccine is an idiot. it's useless and probably worse than having no jab at all.
Oh yeah? So, tell me, where is you get your PhD in immunobiology from?
K7elh wrote to Dr. What <=-
And the actual science does not support the idea that EVERYONE needs to get the jab. The science shows that only a small percentage would benefit from it.
And of course you have proof to back up this claim?
Arelor wrote to K7elh <=-
Which is the reason why some doctors I know are saying that the jab
makes sense after 52 years of age but that it is debatable at best before, and plain counterproductive for kids.
And the actual science does not support the idea that EVERYONE needs
to get the jab. The science shows that only a small percentage
would benefit from it.
And of course you have proof to back up this claim?
Standard Leftie Tactic: Demand that you do their research for them (which isn't that surprising since they are completely incompetent).
that being said, anybody that is pro covid vaccine is an idiot. it's
useless and probably worse than having no jab at all.
Oh yeah? So, tell me, where is you get your PhD in immunobiology from?
go back under your rock, loser drama queen.
get over your bullshit.
And the actual science does not support the idea that EVERYONE needs
to get the jab. The science shows that only a small percentage
would benefit from it.
And of course you have proof to back up this claim?
Standard Leftie Tactic: Demand that you do their research for them (which isn't that surprising since they are completely incompetent).
But the purpose of this is to pick and pick at your evidence. They have already decided that reality is something else. So providing the proof that they can get themselves is just an exercise in futility - and designed to wear you down.
Which is the reason why some doctors I know are saying that the jab
makes sense after 52 years of age but that it is debatable at best
before, and plain counterproductive for kids.
Those doctors must be living in a vacuum. Families have limited contact within their families to limit the exposure to covid. Children are in contact in schools with children who aren't as vigilant about preventing the spread, or mixed in with kids of Trump-supporting parents who've politicized preventative measures. Then, my kids go home and see my 84 year-old mother, who is vaccinated but at high risk should she contract covid.
Re: Re: Booster
By: Arelor to K7elh on Fri Dec 24 2021 05:27 am
Which is the reason why some doctors I know are saying that the jab makes sense after 52 years of age but that it is debatable at best before, and plain counterproductive for kids.
Come on, Arelor, you honestly think that a message from a doc that says "52" a magic number, flying in the face of the recommendations everywhere, is a sensible outlying point?
That's not the message being given anywhere sensible.
Arelor wrote to K7elh <=-
Which is the reason why some doctors I know are saying that the jab makes sense after 52 years of age but that it is debatable at best before, and plain counterproductive for kids.
Those doctors must be living in a vacuum. Families have limited contact within their families to limit the exposure to covid. Children are in contact in schools with children who aren't as vigilant about preventing the spread, or mixed in with kids of Trump-supporting parents who've politicized preventative measures. Then, my kids go home and see my 84 year-old mother, who is vaccinated but at high risk should she contract covid.
Standard Leftie Tactic: Demand that you do their research for them (which isn't that surprising since they are completely incompetent).
But the purpose of this is to pick and pick at your evidence. They have already decided that reality is something else. So providing the proof that they can get themselves is just an exercise in futility - and designed to wear you down.
Those doctors must be living in a vacuum. Families have limited contact within their families to limit the exposure to covid. Children are in contact in schools with children who aren't as vigilant about preventing the spread, or mixed in with kids of Trump-supporting parents who've politicized preventative measures. Then, my kids go home and see my 84 year-old mother, who is vaccinated but at high risk should she contract covid.
Standard Leftie Tactic: Demand that you do their research for them (which isn't that surprising since they are completely incompetent).
If you're going to make a claim about something, wouldn't the burn of proof be on you to provide something to back up your claim? "Just fucking Google it" isn't always helpful.
Nightfox wrote to Dr. What <=-
If you're going to make a claim about something, wouldn't the burn of proof be on you to provide something to back up your claim? "Just
fucking Google it" isn't always helpful.
Denn wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Your 84 year old grandma is vaccinated so whats the worry?
Kids don't typically get or spread covid.
Because she's not "vaccinated". The COVID "vaccine" is not a vaccine.
She can still get and spread COVID even after getting the jabs.
The only potential benefit (if she doesn't get a bad side effect of the jabs) is that her immune system MAY be on alert, but only if she comes in contact with the "correct" COVID variation (which is doubtful today).
If you're going to make a claim about something, wouldn't the burn
of proof be on you to provide something to back up your claim?
"Just fucking Google it" isn't always helpful.
Why do I need to prove that the sky is blue or that water is wet?
People who are willfully ignorant are not teachable.
And the actual science does not support the idea that EVERYONE needs
to get the jab. The science shows that only a small percentage
would benefit from it.
And of course you have proof to back up this claim?
Standard Leftie Tactic: Demand that you do their research for them
(which isn't that surprising since they are completely
incompetent).
If you're going to make a claim about something, wouldn't the burn of proof be on you to provide something to back up your claim? "Just fucking Google it" isn't always helpful.
Standard Leftie Tactic: Demand that you do their research for them
(which isn't that surprising since they are completely incompetent).
But the purpose of this is to pick and pick at your evidence. They
have already decided that reality is something else. So providing the
proof that they can get themselves is just an exercise in futility -
and designed to wear you down.
yeah i've seen that time and time again and i've fallen for it.
nowadays i dont even get into heated arguments. i dont play the game.
when it was heated on fb it was with people i actuall knew in real life, but still.
you can not change the mind of a stupid liberal. they are not free thinkers.
If you're going to make a claim about something, wouldn't the burn
of proof be on you to provide something to back up your claim?
"Just fucking Google it" isn't always helpful.
It's like this, people like Biden, Pelosi etc.. always say "follow the science" they never tell you what that science is or where to find it thus putting the research on everyone else to prove them right or wrong.
So no he can research just like we have to.
Those doctors must be living in a vacuum. Families have limited
contact within their families to limit the exposure to covid. Children
are in contact in schools with children who aren't as vigilant about
preventing the spread, or mixed in with kids of Trump-supporting
parents who've politicized preventative measures. Then, my kids go
home and see my 84 year-old mother, who is vaccinated but at high risk
should she contract covid.
i'm all aboard with tanking preventive measures.
human beings are too fucking stupid to fight a virus. with science or physically with preventative measures. we are too stupid to do it. liberals, conservatives, whatever. we are too stupid.
instead we just argue about it.
you have to be a weirdo like me to take preventative measures. you see the politicians out there preaching and then being caught at huge parties with masks off and no distancing.
Your 84 year old grandma is vaccinated so whats the worry?
Because she's not "vaccinated". The COVID "vaccine" is not a vaccine.
She can still get and spread COVID even after getting the jabs.
If you're going to make a claim about something, wouldn't the burn
of proof be on you to provide something to back up your claim?
"Just fucking Google it" isn't always helpful.
Why do I need to prove that the sky is blue or that water is wet?
Those things are hardly the same kind of thing.
People who are willfully ignorant are not teachable.
Sometimes there may just be something I might not have seen. If someone is unwilling to provide more information to support something they're claiming, then I'd consider it dubious until I find evidence to back up what they're saying.
i believe i had covid last august. my nose was feeling weird like when i had covid but i still had a sense of smell so i took a binaxnow test
today. -+-
Covid is real and the ones we need to protect are the elerly and those with medical issues, I know many people who got covid and recovered,
only one died, he was older and in poor health.
Covid is real and the ones we need to protect are the elerly and those with medical issues, I know many people who got covid and recovered, only one died, he was older and in poor health.
I hear plenty of folks just like you, who haven't known anyone who's died fr Covid.
Then theres people like me, that know 2-3 people - pretty young too... 46... 55... 40; who I know of, and passed away directly from Covid. One guy, it wa so sad too... one week he was posting anti-vax messages on Facebook - and th next week it was a gofundme; followed by his wife saying how much she loved and why did he have to leave so quickly...
And then theres even others; like my sister who's a minister... in her congregation, shes seen dozens pass. Directly and indirectly from Covid.
Its a real beast; while I support people right to choose whether to take a vaccine or not, I wish that we'd all mitigate TOGETHER and try a bit harder stomping the virus out with methods that we know work.
I really wish the choice to vax or not wasn't so political. It has become so in America. Sorry for jumping in - but some people do know friends and famil who have died from Covid.
I only wear a mask when I go to the doctor, they make you wear it.
I don't care who is vaccinated or not, when you see all these phoney politians breaking their own mask mandates and rules constantly you know they don't really give two shits about covid.
Covid is real and the ones we need to protect are the elerly and those with medical issues, I know many people who got covid and recovered, only one died, he was older and in poor health.
Hello MRO!
** On Saturday 25.12.21 - 09:22, MRO wrote to Dr. What:
i believe i had covid last august. my nose was feeling weird like when i had covid but i still had a sense of smell so i took a binaxnow test today. -+-
I suppose we'll hear from you within 3 days after your 2nd
test!
Oh yeah? So, tell me, where is you get your PhD in immunobiology from?go back under your rock, loser drama queen.
get over your bullshit.
And of course you have proof to back up this claim?Standard Leftie Tactic: Demand that you do their research for them (which isn't that surprising since they are completely incompetent).
But the purpose of this is to pick and pick at your evidence. They have already decided that reality is something else. So providing the proof that they can get themselves is just an exercise in futility - and designed to wear you down.
Those doctors must be living in a vacuum. Families have limited contact within their families to limit the exposure to covid. Children are in contact in schools with children who aren't as vigilant about preventing the spread, or mixed in with kids of Trump-supporting parents who've politicized preventative measures. Then, my kids go home and see my 84 year-old mother, who is vaccinated but at high risk should she contract covid.Which makes perfect sense for those of us who actually give a shit about our fellow man.
yeah i've seen that time and time again and i've fallen for it.Wow, Not 'free thinkers'. That's rich coming from the same people who will believe everythign their favorite youtuber conspiracy talking head is saying.
nowadays i dont even get into heated arguments. i dont play the game.
when it was heated on fb it was with people i actuall knew in real life, but still.
you can not change the mind of a stupid liberal. they are not free thinkers.
Re: Re: Booster
By: MRO to Dr. What on Sat Dec 25 2021 06:59 am
yeah i've seen that time and time again and i've fallen for it.Wow, Not 'free thinkers'. That's rich coming from the same people who will believe everythign their favorite youtuber conspiracy talking head is saying.
nowadays i dont even get into heated arguments. i dont play the game. when it was heated on fb it was with people i actuall knew in real life, but still.
you can not change the mind of a stupid liberal. they are not free thinkers.
The irony is astounding....
Looks like kyle is back with a new name.
If you're going to make a claim about something, wouldn't the burn
of proof be on you to provide something to back up your claim?
"Just fucking Google it" isn't always helpful.
It's like this, people like Biden, Pelosi etc.. always say "follow
the science" they never tell you what that science is or where to
find it thus putting the research on everyone else to prove them
right or wrong. So no he can research just like we have to.
Seems like your argument is the leftists aren't sharing their evidence, so you aren't going to share either. I'm not sure that's a really strong argument.. If they're just going to say "follow the science", they aren't making it very easy. Be the change you want to see, and actually share the information. Help people learn what they need to know.
Covid is real and the ones we need to protect are the elerly and
those with medical issues, I know many people who got covid and
recovered, only one died, he was older and in poor health.
I hear plenty of folks just like you, who haven't known anyone who's died from Covid.
Then theres people like me, that know 2-3 people - pretty young too... 46... 55... 40; who I know of, and passed away directly from Covid. One guy, it was so sad too... one week he was posting anti-vax messages on Facebook - and the next week it was a gofundme; followed by his wife saying how much she loved him and why did he have to leave so quickly...
And then theres even others; like my sister who's a minister... in her congregation, shes seen dozens pass. Directly and indirectly from Covid.
Its a real beast; while I support people right to choose whether to take a vaccine or not, I wish that we'd all mitigate TOGETHER and try a bit harder at stomping the virus out with methods that we know work.
I really wish the choice to vax or not wasn't so political. It has become so, in America. Sorry for jumping in - but some people do know friends and family who have died from Covid.
I only wear a mask when I go to the doctor, they make you wear it.
I don't care who is vaccinated or not, when you see all these phoney
politians breaking their own mask mandates and rules constantly you
know they don't really give two shits about covid.
i wear a mask all the time. the ones i got let me breathe nicely.
i'm glad other people wear masks. i dont want to see their ugly faces or have them cough on me.
yeah i've seen that time and time again and i've fallen for it.Wow, Not 'free thinkers'. That's rich coming from the same people who
nowadays i dont even get into heated arguments. i dont play the
game. when it was heated on fb it was with people i actuall knew in
real life, but still.
you can not change the mind of a stupid liberal. they are not free
thinkers.
will believe everythign their favorite youtuber conspiracy talking
head is saying.
The irony is astounding....
this guy is obviously a bad troll. just ignore him and he'll go away.
he's trying to get attention no matter what.
this guy is obviously a bad troll. just ignore him and he'll go away. he's trying to get attention no matter what.
I already twitlisted him so I won't even see what he posts.
A lot of people wants to get the jabs so they can be together
with their family, but I think people who takes the jabs and acts as if they will be fine are extremely dangerous.
i believe i had covid last august. my nose was feeling
weird like when i had covid but i still had a sense of
smell so i took a binaxnow test today. -+-
I suppose we'll hear from you within 3 days after your 2nd
test!
why do i need a 2nd test?
I don't have it.
The binaxnow instructions I was reading said that TWO
consecutive tests within a specified number of hours are
needed.
"6. How long should people wait between taking BinaxNOW Self
Tests? --- The tests should be administered twice over three
days with at least 36 hours between tests."
https://www.abbott.com/corpnewsroom/diagnostics-testing/ BinaxNOW-what-you-need-to-know.html
The core issue here is that this people wants you to make sacrifices and deal with the Civil Guard and close your shop, but they don't want to change their lifestyle the least.
There are real alternatives that have saved thousands, one such is the monoclonal antibodies infusions, If I get covid I will do that, already got vaxxed but the new strains are resistant to the vaxx.
the Vaccine is not the only answer to covid, those who have had covid
and fully recovered have better protection than the vaxxed, alternative treatments are proving to be very successful in the treatment of covid
as well.
and most of us understand that, we need to fight covid with all the available tools not just the vaccine.
Jump in anytime, it's good to have dialog on this subject.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
luckily my antibodies seem to be working.
there's a huge covid problem at my job. every couple of days someone's getting it.
Denn wrote to Dr. What <=-
Well they all call it a vaccine so for them to understand we need to
play their game a little bit.
the point is they push the shots and fear mongering, they should be focusing on things like monoclonal antibodies rather than jabbing everyone.
They should focus on protecting those with pre existing conditions and the elderly as well.
MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
the problem is, if one place doesn't do their part, it all fails.
we have hundreds of thousands of stores, businesses, workplaces, and schools not adhering to preventative standards and measures.
at my job now every week someone is getting this super contagious omnicron. we are supposed to be informed if we are close to that
person. i've been close to every person that got it. nobody talked to
me and recommended i get tested or pull me out.
MRO wrote to Denn <=-
i wear a mask all the time. the ones i got let me breathe nicely.
i'm glad other people wear masks. i dont want to see their ugly faces
or have them cough on me.
i'm used to wearing these bullshit masks now.
As I have said before, the Navarran Asociation of Pediatry has declared that the risk kids represent is pretty much overblown,
Why do I need to prove that the sky is blue or that water is wet?
People who are willfully ignorant are not teachable. So, like I said, it's a waste of my time and energy - which is his intent.
Re: Re: Booster
By: Denn to K7elh on Fri Dec 24 2021 00:55:25
Looks like kyle is back with a new name.
Who the F is Kyle?
Re: Re: Booster
By: Arelor to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Dec 25 2021 06:25 am
As I have said before, the Navarran Asociation of Pediatry has declared t the risk kids represent is pretty much overblown,
OK, hang on a sec - what is this association you're quoting? Maybe you quote it before with more specifics, but I can't find any such association.
This is something specific to Navarre, FL?
Sorry, just not finding this group that you're stating made some claims, so having trouble even beginning to find these references.
The core issue here is that this people wants you to make sacrifices and deal with the Civil Guard and close your shop, but they don't want to change their lifestyle the least.
The core issue here is that this people wants you to make sacrifices an deal with the Civil Guard and close your shop, but they don't want to change their lifestyle the least.
I wonder how bad this covid shit would have been back in the 70's and 80's with no internet and social networking? Maybe we should be counting our blessings eh? BBsin comes through again!
Trikester wrote to Dr. What <=-
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
luckily my antibodies seem to be working.
there's a huge covid problem at my job. every couple of days someone's getting it.
How do they know?
The reason I ask is because the PCR tests are not accurate in any way. The other tests that I've encountered can't tell the difference between COVID and the flu. And hospitals have a financial incentive to diagnose someone has having COVID, so their "expert" opinion is questionable.
MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
the problem is, if one place doesn't do their part, it all fails.
we have hundreds of thousands of stores, businesses, workplaces, and schools not adhering to preventative standards and measures.
That's because you can't prevent a virus. It's simply not possible. And we've known this from the start of the scamdemic.
person. i've been close to every person that got it. nobody talked to me and recommended i get tested or pull me out.
And omnicron is very mild. So it's an even more mild variant of an already mild virus. It's a nothing-burger and can be ignored.
or have them cough on me.
COVID or not, people shouldn't be doing that.
i'm used to wearing these bullshit masks now.
Never wore one. Never will wear one.
an deal with the Civil Guard and close your shop, but they don't want to change their lifestyle the least.
I wonder how bad this covid shit would have been back in the 70's and 80's with no internet and social networking? Maybe we should be counting our blessings eh? BBsin comes through again!
You know, I hear similar ideas quite often regarding this and other crisis.
The probelm with echo chambers is that they amplify panic.
--
The binaxnow instructions I was reading said that TWO
consecutive tests within a specified number of hours are
needed.
"6. How long should people wait between taking BinaxNOW Self
Tests? --- The tests should be administered twice over three
days with at least 36 hours between tests."
The core issue here is that this people wants you to make sacrifices
and deal with the Civil Guard and close your shop, but they don't
want to change their lifestyle the least.
I don't want anyone to shut down their businesses or even stop important things; such as the Christmas Holiday...
I just want us all to be as intelligent as we can. I wish more people would get vaccinated and boosted (Or, fully vaccinated - basically.) - however I do respect peoples choice to NOT doso... just wish it wasn't such a politicized decision.
I think we should all mask up when indoors, and that we should actually keep 6' of distance between people who aren't in our immediate homes/lives.
There are real alternatives that have saved thousands, one such is
the monoclonal antibodies infusions, If I get covid I will do that,
already got vaxxed but the new strains are resistant to the vaxx.
the Vaccine is not the only answer to covid, those who have had
and most of us understand that, we need to fight covid with all the
available tools not just the vaccine.
Jump in anytime, it's good to have dialog on this subject.
I agree with everything you posted. I, also, have made sure those close to me know to ask for the monoclonal infusion if I ever need to goto the hospital - and not to wait till that option going away...
I'm also watching the new Pfizer pill... and agree; the vaccine isn't even - I mean its NOT a perfect vaccine. But I want to use all the best tools that I can, and I think a lot of people are writing off the vaccine at a detriment to their health if and when they get COViD with zero protection what-so-ever.
i wear a mask all the time. the ones i got let me breathe nicely.
Then it offers absolutely no protection and is nothing more than decoration.
i'm glad other people wear masks. i dont want to see their ugly
faces
I guess I have to admit that masks have at least 1 positive benefit. 8)
Never wore one. Never will wear one.
My Daughter in law has to take the test twice a week, last week she was posative
lost her taste and smell, already has her taste back smell is starting to come back.
My Daughter in law has to take the test twice a week, last week she
was posative
lost her taste and smell, already has her taste back smell is starting
to come back.
a good way to help that along is to get flonaise or something like that and squirt your nose once an hour
a good way to help that along is to get flonaise or something like that and squirt your nose once an hour
I think she uses that navage system to irregate her nasal cavaty.
You continue to have this strange idea that anyone cares about what you think/want/like.
I can assure you that no one does.
I just want us all to be as intelligent as we can. I wish more people would get
vaccinated and boosted (Or, fully vaccinated - basically.) - however I do respe
t peoples choice to NOT doso... just wish it wasn't such a politicized decision
I think we should all mask up when indoors, and that we should actually keep 6'
of distance between people who aren't in our immediate homes/lives.
i think the pcr tests are accurate enough with the big outbreaks we are having. the
people are sick with covid.
a good way to help that along is to get flonaise or something like
that and squirt your nose once an hour
I think she uses that navage system to irregate her nasal cavaty.
that's not the same thing. flonaise has a steriod that helps the recovery. A guy told me about it and Once i started dosing myself i eventually got my smell back little by little.
6 feet social distancing has been proven ineffective, 12 to 20 feet has been proven to be effective.
If you have the shot's then you shouldn't need to mask up unless you somehow still got covid.
the viral load from infected people can hang in the air as a mist for a bit so the only purpose of the mask is to contain the viral load from infected people.
What I have heard here is that their problem is they produce false positives. Still, the private hospitals I am familiar with are using PCR as their standard test.
that's not the same thing. flonaise has a steriod that helps the recovery. A guy told me about it and Once i started dosing myself i eventually got my smell back little by little.
It's working for her, don't know if she uses flonaise or other nose remedies.
Wow, Not 'free thinkers'. That's rich coming from the same people who will believe everythign their favorite youtuber conspiracy talking head is saying.
The irony is astounding....
this guy is obviously a bad troll. just ignore him and he'll go away.
he's trying to get attention no matter what.
Don't reply to him. you'll just get his little dick hard.
yeah he's a real try hard. it got pathetic quick.
Yup. And known proven treatments like ivermectin. But that doesn't make bug bucks for their Pharm buddied.
That's because you can't prevent a virus. It's simply not possible. And we've known this from the start of the scamdemic.
And omnicron is very mild. So it's an even more mild variant of an already mild virus. It's a nothing-burger and can be ignored.
As I have said before, the Navarran Asociation of Pediatry has declared that the risk kids represent is pretty much overblown,OK, hang on a sec - what is this association you're quoting? Maybe you quoted it before with more specifics, but I can't find any such association. This is something specific to Navarre, FL?
Sorry, just not finding this group that you're stating made some claims, so am having trouble even beginning to find these references.
Why do I need to prove that the sky is blue or that water is wet?
People who are willfully ignorant are not teachable. So, like I said, it's a waste of my time and energy - which is his intent.
Pretty much everything you say is in bad faith.
1) Make a wild, nonsense claim with no sources.
2) Tell anyone questioning it they need to "dO tHeIr ReSeaRcH!"
3) Make up lame excuses when someone questions your tactics.
Good arguments, pal! You're a real fountain of truth there.
Who the F is Kyle?
It's him and Dr. What's boogeyman of the moment. They seem to think some other guy, possibly myself, and now you (though if your call is actually K7ELH it's pretty easy to validate the name), are all this one Kyle person who dares question them.
I don't know why they post, because they can't handle anyone questioning their horseshit.
You continue to have this strange idea that anyone cares about what you think/want/like.
I can assure you that no one does.
6 feet social distancing has been proven ineffective, 12 to 20 feet
has been proven to be effective.
Then we should stay 12' apart, 20' when possible. In all public indoors spaces.
If you have the shot's then you shouldn't need to mask up unless you
somehow still got covid.
Disagree - its for the protection of everyone, not just myself. For the other idiot who didn't get vaxxed.
the viral load from infected people can hang in the air as a mist
for a bit so the only purpose of the mask is to contain the viral
load from infected people.
Contains the 'viral load' from everyone who wears one.
I think public indoors settings need masks.
What I have heard here is that their problem is they produce false
positives. Still, the private hospitals I am familiar with are using
PCR as their standard test.
it was reliable for me when i had it and when i didnt have it.
that's not the same thing. flonaise has a steriod that helps the
recovery. A guy told me about it and Once i started dosing myself
i eventually got my smell back little by little.
It's working for her, don't know if she uses flonaise or other nose
remedies.
it's actually depressing to lose one of your senses. I didn't realize how much i relied on my sense of smell.
i took it for granted and when i was able to smell something again, i was so happy. it was cardboard!
Re: binaxnow
By: MRO to Ogg on Sun Dec 26 2021 11:41 am
The binaxnow instructions I was reading said that TWO
consecutive tests within a specified number of hours are
needed.
"6. How long should people wait between taking BinaxNOW Self
Tests? --- The tests should be administered twice over three
days with at least 36 hours between tests."
My Daughter in law has to take the test twice a week, last week she was posative
lost her taste and smell, already has her taste back smell is starting to come back.
... Despite the rising cost of living, it still remains popular!
Re: Re: Booster
By: paulie420 to Arelor on Sun Dec 26 2021 12:35 pm
The core issue here is that this people wants you to make sacrifices
and deal with the Civil Guard and close your shop, but they don't
want to change their lifestyle the least.
I don't want anyone to shut down their businesses or even stop important things; such as the Christmas Holiday...
I just want us all to be as intelligent as we can. I wish more people would get vaccinated and boosted (Or, fully vaccinated - basically.) - however I do respect peoples choice to NOT doso... just wish it wasn't such a politicized decision.
I think we should all mask up when indoors, and that we should actually keep 6' of distance between people who aren't in our immediate homes/lives.
6 feet social distancing has been proven ineffective, 12 to 20 feet has been proven to be effective.
If you have the shot's then you shouldn't need to mask up unless you somehow still got covid.
the viral load from infected people can hang in the air as a mist for a bit so the only purpose of the mask is to contain the viral load from infected people.
... Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.
that's what the mask isi wear a mask all the time. the ones i got let me breathe nicely.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
they know because they came in contact with another person who had it
and they were sick too.
i think the pcr tests are accurate enough with the big outbreaks we are having. these people are sick with covid.
I can tell if someone has covid just by the cough they might have.
I've never seen a huge flu outbreak like this in any workplace.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
well theoretically we can defend against spread.
also you are calling it a scamdemic but my mother died of covid and she would have normally lived to be 80+ instead of dying at 62.
I don't want to fucking get it. When i had covid it affected my memory
and mental skills for a few months. i had to take my paid time off and used it up.
once this thing mutates so it has a higher kill rate, we are fucked.
this virus is really contagious and not going away.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
there's the problem. happens all the time. it happened to me recently when i walked in a store. dude fucking coughed right in my face when walking out the door and emptied it in my face.
if he had a mask on it wouldn't be as bad atleast.
I honestly dont give a shit about the masks, just as long as i can breathe.
we need consistancy, if we are going to try to get this virus
to play out or whatever you want to call it.
K7elh wrote to Dr. What <=-
Invermectin? Are you shitting me? That drug is made to fight ringworm
and lice.
it was reliable for me when i had it and when i didnt have it.
There are a lot of false posatives.
and there are also cases were the person has covid but the test comes back negative.
they know because they came in contact with another person who had it and they were sick too.
That's not enough to prove that you are infected. It only shows that you MAY be infected.
The PCR tests have been proven to be very inaccurate and the creator of the test has spoken out about it. A PCR test cannot show that you are infected with COVID.
I can tell if someone has covid just by the cough they might have.
I've never seen a huge flu outbreak like this in any workplace.
I would not surprise me if most of those people didn't get a flu shot this year like they usually do.
also you are calling it a scamdemic but my mother died of covid and she would have normally lived to be 80+ instead of dying at 62.
You've fallen for the Leftie Narrative.
this virus is really contagious and not going away.
That's right. Just like the common cold and flu. But we don't live in
fear
of those.
The percentage of childish/rude people has been growing for a long time now due to bad schools and parenting.
if he had a mask on it wouldn't be as bad atleast.
It wouldn't have done a thing.
"Consistency" is the last thing we need. It's just another word for "conformity".
Mainly because you are trying to say that the sky is green and water is dry. You also prove ypour second point. You areWhy do I need to prove that the sky is blue or that water is wet? People who are willfully ignorant are not teachable. So, like I said, it's a waste of my time and energy - which is his
intent.
willfully ignorant and not teachable.
Pretty much everything you say is in bad faith.
1) Make a wild, nonsense claim with no sources.
2) Tell anyone questioning it they need to "dO tHeIr ReSeaRcH!"
3) Make up lame excuses when someone questions your tactics.
Good arguments, pal! You're a real fountain of truth there.
I agree, he says that like it makes perfect sence. :D
Who the F is Kyle?It's him and Dr. What's boogeyman of the moment. They seem to think some other guy, possibly myself, and now you (though if
your
call is actually K7ELH it's pretty easy to validate the name), are all this one Kyle person who dares question them.
They must have extremely low self esteem or no friends. They need to feel persecuted? And yes it is my callsign.
Dumas Walker wrote to PAULIE420 <=-
I just want us all to be as intelligent as we can. I wish more people would get
vaccinated and boosted (Or, fully vaccinated - basically.) - however I do respe
t peoples choice to NOT doso... just wish it wasn't such a politicized decision
My father got boosted before Thanksgiving. He started having symptoms
and tested positive yesterday. Other than being older, he has no other underlying conditions. So far his symptoms are not severe.
I think we should all mask up when indoors, and that we should actually keep 6'
of distance between people who aren't in our immediate homes/lives.
Invermectin? Are you shitting me? That drug is made to fight ringworm and lice.*LAUGH* You need to get your "information" from someplace other than CNN.
Ivermectin is a Nobel Prize winning medication created for human use that was found to be useful for animals as well.Ivermectin is an anti-parasitic only shown effective in a couple of very specific cases of treating... yes, you got it, parasites! If Ivermectin had any efficacy doing anything else, don't you think Merck wouldn't want to jump all over it and sell it for those purposes? Must be a big coverup-conspiracy that benefits nobody.
And the most populated region of India has been declared "COVID free" through the use of Ivermectin.
Are you able to comprehend that the world isn't left vs. right Americans?
it was reliable for me when i had it and when i didnt have it.
There are a lot of false posatives.
and there are also cases were the person has covid but the test comes
back negative.
All i can say is it worked for me and it's working for the people they test in my workplace. these fuckers are getting it.
maybe the issues you were talking about were human error.
Thumper wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
My father got boosted before Thanksgiving. He started having symptoms
and tested positive yesterday. Other than being older, he has no other underlying conditions. So far his symptoms are not severe.
My Parents got there's about that time also. A few days ago my Dad started feeling bad, scratchy throat, congestion, etc. Them my Sister started having the same thing. Last night my Dad collapsed and was
rushed by Ambulance to the hospital. About an hour later so was my
Sister. So far tests on Dad are negative and they say maybe a severe
flu. They are isolating him and treating him like he has Covid though
out of precaution. No news on my Sister yet....
So IMHO the choice to get the shots or not should be a personal matter.
I guess on this we can just agree to dis agree.
those who don't want to get vaxxed have reasons,
usually the side effects wich I my self suffered from the shots.
Trikester wrote to Dr. What <=-was
@MSGID: <61CC945D.1872.dove-general@basement.isurf.ca>
@REPLY: <61CC6A98.55775.dove-general@dmine.net>
Re: Re: Booster
By: Dr. What to K7elh on
Wed Dec 29 2021 08:57 am
fight ringworm and lice.Invermectin? Are you shitting me? That drug is made to
*LAUGH* You need to get your "information" from someplace other than CNN.
Are you able to comprehend that the world isn't left vs. right
Americans? You seem to struggle with being able to hold a conversation without going all 'leftie-tourettes' on everyone.
CNN is irrelevant. Do you believe every news source that contradicts misinformation is CNN? That's an incredibly simplistic view.
Ivermectin is a Nobel Prize winning medication created for human use that
found to be useful for animals as well.through
Ivermectin is an anti-parasitic only shown effective in a couple of
very specific cases of treating... yes, you got it, parasites! If Ivermectin had any efficacy doing anything else, don't you think Merck wouldn't want to jump all over it and sell it for those purposes? Must
be a big coverup-conspiracy that benefits nobody.
Merck specifically states that there is no meaningful evidence to show it's efficacy with COVID. They haven't changed their stance on this
since they published that in early 2021.
And the most populated region of India has been declared "COVID free"
the use of Ivermectin.
Get real.
and there are also cases were the person has covid but the test comes
back negative.
All i can say is it worked for me and it's working for the people they test in my workplace. these fuckers are getting it.
maybe the issues you were talking about were human error.
the PCR test does get false posatives but reading up on it, it seems to be pretty good at detecting covid, I heard there is a newer more reliable test comming in January.
I wonder how bad this covid shit would have been back in the 70's andYou know, I hear similar ideas quite often regarding this and other crisis.
80's with no internet and social networking? Maybe we should be counting
The probelm with echo chambers is that they amplify panic.
Re: Re: Booster
By: Arelor to HusTler on Tue Dec 28 2021 05:33 am
I wonder how bad this covid shit would have been back in the 70's and 80's with no internet and social networking? Maybe we should be countingYou know, I hear similar ideas quite often regarding this and other crisis.
The probelm with echo chambers is that they amplify panic.
Maybe a little panic would be a good thing. Perhaps more people would get vaxed. Then again..probly not.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
all i know is they have covid and they are sick with covid and they
tested sick with covid.
i take a test about every week. i've been taking those binax now tests.
it said i had covid when i had it. it said i didnt have covid when i didnt.
what more do you want?
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
we need to come up with a plan that works and stick with it. we cant do that as human beings. we are too stupid.
those who don't want to get vaxxed have reasons,
usually the side effects wich I my self suffered from the shots.
I disagree here - MOST people who don't want to get vaxxed only doso because 'screw libtards' and political reasons. Most...
It is very, very clear that there is a narrative out there which is pushin vaccines as *THE* solution. Not that I'm against people taking it, but ma who are towing the narrative seem resistant to even admit there could be, need to be, other ways to treat people. I find it sus that only those whi are profitable to big Pharma, are the ones we can talk about.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
all i know is they have covid and they are sick with covid and they tested sick with covid.
i take a test about every week. i've been taking those binax now tests. it said i had covid when i had it. it said i didnt have covid when i didnt.
what more do you want?
Nothing. If that's how you want to live your life, that's your business.
I simply wanted to inform you that you are living a lie. If you want to ignore that, that's your choice.
Dumas Walker wrote to Thumper <=-
Thumper wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
My father got boosted before Thanksgiving. He started having symptoms
and tested positive yesterday. Other than being older, he has no other underlying conditions. So far his symptoms are not severe.
My Parents got there's about that time also. A few days ago my Dad started feeling bad, scratchy throat, congestion, etc. Them my Sister started having the same thing. Last night my Dad collapsed and was
rushed by Ambulance to the hospital. About an hour later so was my
Sister. So far tests on Dad are negative and they say maybe a severe
flu. They are isolating him and treating him like he has Covid though
out of precaution. No news on my Sister yet....
I hope that things turn out well for him and your sister. My father is getting an infusion tomorrow or Friday. His started out with bad congestion and fatigue.
Read some Q post the other day, person lost his job, wife, kids, house --- but
as OK with that, until Trump said the vaccine was real; dude said that until t
t moment it had all been worth it, waiting for JFK Jr. and drinking the Q-ewlA
. Imagine being that in love, that devoted, and so absolutely fucking confused
n reality. I am starting to think it is the preservatives in the food or somet
ng.
those who don't want to get vaxxed have reasons,
usually the side effects wich I my self suffered from the shots.
I disagree here - MOST people who don't want to get vaxxed only doso because '
rew libtards' and political reasons. Most...
I disagree here - MOST people who don't want to get vaxxed only doso because 'screw libtards' and political reasons. Most...
Re: Re: Booster
By: Arelor to HusTler on Tue Dec 28 2021 05:33 am
I wonder how bad this covid shit would have been back in the 70's and 80's with no internet and social networking? Maybe we should be countinYou know, I hear similar ideas quite often regarding this and other crisi
The probelm with echo chambers is that they amplify panic.
Maybe a little panic would be a good thing. Perhaps more people would get vaxed. Then again..probly not.
|07 HusTler
those who don't want to get vaxxed have reasons,
usually the side effects wich I my self suffered from the shots.
I disagree here - MOST people who don't want to get vaxxed only doso because 'screw libtards' and political reasons. Most...
My (anecdotal) take on it in my region is the 30's and under don't want it because they don't need it (the healthy ones) so why take something so new. 40+ are a mix of "why take something new", "don't need it", and "don't tell what to do". The latter isn't "screw libtards" here (Canada) because we have mixture of left and right leaning provincial governments who all have the sa message regarding vaccines (and mandates and passports). It is political, bu not left/right, rather it is authoritarian vs freedom of choice.
and there are also cases were the person has covid but the test
comes back negative.
All i can say is it worked for me and it's working for the peoplethe PCR test does get false posatives but reading up on it, it seems
they test in my workplace. these fuckers are getting it.
to be pretty good at detecting covid, I heard there is a newer more
reliable test comming in January.
maybe there's defective tests. i gave a test to the woman i live with last night and the whole bottom half turned purple and stayed that way for quite a while. she was exposed to someone with it the last couple of days. eventually it got really faint and i have to give her another test to find out for sure.
The probelm with echo chambers is that they amplify panic.
Maybe a little panic would be a good thing. Perhaps more people would
get vaxed. Then again..probly not.
don't you think enough panic has gone on since covid? my friend blew his brains out and i know of other suicides.
apparently you still get sick and spread covid with the vaccine, so what good is it.
Read some Q post the other day, person lost his job, wife, kids, house --- but was OK with that, until Trump said the vaccine
was
real; dude said that until that moment it had all been worth it, waiting for JFK Jr. and drinking the Q-ewlAid. Imagine being
that
in love, that devoted, and so absolutely fucking confused in reality. I am starting to think it is the preservatives in the food
or something.
Do you really believe that big pharma companies have no other motive than to get the most effective treatment at the best value
for the customer?
It costs money to do the trials, to perform the registration, and for a drug which you cannot patent, it may not be worth it in
the end. Show Ivermectin to be effective, and watch everyone else undercut them with generics.
It is very, very clear that there is a narrative out there which is pushing vaccines as *THE* solution. Not that I'm against
people taking it, but many who are towing the narrative seem resistant to even admit there could be, may need to be, other ways
to treat people. I find it sus that only those which are profitable to big Pharma, are the ones we can talk about.
Why waste your time reading Q posts if you are so happy with your situation now? I sure don't waste my time on that crap.
Why waste your time reading Q posts if you are so happy with your situation now? I sure don't waste my time on that crap.
My (anecdotal) take on it in my region is the 30's and under don't want
it because they don't need it (the healthy ones) so why take something
so new. The 40+ are a mix of "why take something new", "don't need it", and "don't tell me what to do". The latter isn't "screw libtards" here (Canada) because we have a mixture of left and right leaning provincial governments who all have the same message regarding vaccines (and
mandates and passports). It is political, but not left/right, rather it
is authoritarian vs freedom of choice.
Otto Reverse wrote to Boraxman <=-
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It is very, very clear that there is a narrative out there which is pushin vaccines as *THE* solution. Not that I'm against people taking it, but ma who are towing the narrative seem resistant to even admit there could be, need to be, other ways to treat people. I find it sus that only those whi are profitable to big Pharma, are the ones we can talk about.
That is the exact situation in my and Trikesters country (Canada) too.
The vaccines are the only solution.
That narrative will change though. Merck's new anti-viral therapeutic
is being produced in 3 plants world-wide, one of which is in Canada. So whenever that production gets in full swing I expect it will be
included as one of only two acceptable solutions.
Dr. What wrote to MRO <=-
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MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
we need to come up with a plan that works and stick with it. we cant do that as human beings. we are too stupid.
When the scamdemic started, we had a plan. The medical professionals looked at things and said it's a virus and there's only 1 way through
it:
1. Let the virus run its course.
2. Ramp up the normal things we do during cold and flu season (wash
hands, stay home if sick, etc.).
3. For the very small percentage that will get really sick and need hospitalization, use the known theraputics.
4. Accept the fact that some people will die - as happens every year during cold and flu season.
And the "leaders" that we have did the exact OPPOSITE, politicized
COVID in order to seize more power for themselves, and killed even more people than COVID would have if they had listened to the actual
experts.
I hope that things turn out well for him and your sister. My father is getting an infusion tomorrow or Friday. His started out with bad congestion and fatigue.
That is exactly what they started with. Now it's in his chest with a lot of wheezing but getting better. Took 2 days for a room to open up at Kaiser and he's finally out of the Emergency Room. It appears they will keep him for a fe
days and have him on fluids, antibiotics, etc. Sister is back home but still bad. They are saying it is a very strong Flu....
t. I'm not scared of dying , i just dont want to get sick and use up my sick ys at work. it's more of an annoyance.
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Australia has gone hard, very hard with lockdowns and restrictions.
they'll say it doesn't matter now. They will never admit they failed.
Our leaders have been scamming us from the beginning.
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don't you think enough panic has gone on since covid? my friend blew
his brains out and i know of other suicides.
apparently you still get sick and spread covid with the vaccine, so
what good is it.
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My duaghter in law gwts testedtwice a week, she just got covid like a
week ago, they made her quaritine for 5 days only, weird I though it
was still 10 days.
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I believe you just contradicted yourself. Selling Ivermectin for any reason would be a profit motive for Merck. Do you not think they'd be interested in studies that suggest it could be used for something else?
As soon as there are other solutions that are shown to be safe and effective, you bet they're going to jump on them. It just hasn't
happened yet.
There's also a huge difference between "what we can talk about" and
what is actually safe & effective.
You can talk about Ivermectin until
the cows come home, but as yet there's no accepted indication it does anything for, let me check here... oh right, viruses.
maybe there's defective tests. i gave a test to the woman i live with last night and the whole bottom half turned purple and stayed that way for quite a while. she was exposed to someone with it the last couple of days. eventually it got really faint and i have to give her another test to find out for sure.
My duaghter in law gwts testedtwice a week, she just got covid like a week ago, they made her quaritine for 5 days only, weird I though it was still 10 days.
standard is looser. In short, they are unable to boast about how they have the virus under control, so they are now changing rhetoric so things don't seem as bad. Eventually we will hit higher infection rates, but because they've changed the standard, they'll say it doesn't matter now. They will never admit they failed.
Why waste your time reading Q posts if you are so happy with your situation now? I sure don't waste my time on that crap.
Because it was on a feed; maybe it's that insatiable desire to look at the tra
wreck that popped up in front of me. Maybe it is stopping at a post that some
e replied to me on and reading how god awfully stupid it was. Maybe it was jus
me checking in on whether conservatives in America had further lost the plot.
o knows!? Though I would be interested how it affects you. Feel free to elicit
hy that particular chunk of the story was interesting to you.
Tell that to the most populated area of India, that is now declared COVID-free, mostly sue to the use of Ivermectin.
I'm just amazed that someone who is as willfully ignorant as you has the gall to even post publically.
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Re: Re: Booster
By: Boraxman to Trikester on Thu Dec 30 2021 05:56 pm
Do you really believe that big pharma companies have no other motive than to
get the most effective treatment at the best value
for the customer?
It costs money to do the trials, to perform the registration, and for a drug
which you cannot patent, it may not be worth it in
the end. Show Ivermectin to be effective, and watch everyone else undercut
hem with generics.v
It is very, very clear that there is a narrative out there which is pushing
accines as *THE* solution. Not that I'm againsteve
people taking it, but many who are towing the narrative seem resistant to
n admit there could be, may need to be, other waysP
to treat people. I find it sus that only those which are profitable to big
harma, are the ones we can talk about.
I believe you just contradicted yourself. Selling Ivermectin for any reason would be a profit motive for Merck. Do you not think they'd be interested in studies that suggest it could be used for something else?
As soon as there are other solutions that are shown to be safe and effective, you bet they're going to jump on them. It just hasn't
happened yet.
There's also a huge difference between "what we can talk about" and
what is actually safe & effective. You can talk about Ivermectin until
the cows come home, but as yet there's no accepted indication it does anything for, let me check here... oh right, viruses.
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Australia has gone hard, very hard with lockdowns and restrictions.
Side note: I have to wonder what they would have done if they hadn't seized all the guns there.
they'll say it doesn't matter now. They will never admit they failed.
No. Those people will never admit that they were wrong and will always double down on their mistakes.
Our leaders have been scamming us from the beginning.
As many people knew at the start, and now even more people are figuring out.
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Re: Re: Booster
By: Boraxman to Dr. What on Fri Dec 31 2021 10:25 am
standard is looser. In short, they are unable to boast about how they have the virus under control, so they are now changing rhetoric so things don't seem as bad. Eventually we will hit higher infection rates, but because they've changed the standard, they'll say it doesn't matter now. They will never admit they failed.
are they still pulling up women's dresses and showing their vaginas and piling up on top of them? there might be a good market in porn for
that. ---
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I believe you just contradicted yourself. Selling Ivermectin for any reason would be a profit motive for Merck. Do you not think they'd be interested in studies that suggest it could be used for something else?
Let's see.... If you actually had any knowledge about this topic you would know:
1. The Ivermectin patent has expired. So anyone can make it. If you
were actually knowledgeable about things like the market (which I know
is so hard for Socialists like you), you would know that the profit on Ivermectin would be pennies, at best.
2. Compared to the jab, where the drug companies have an effective monopoly granted by the gov't and they can charge lots of money and
make lots of profit.
As soon as there are other solutions that are shown to be safe and effective, you bet they're going to jump on them. It just hasn't
happened yet.
Again, you need to get your information from CNN. There have been safe and effective solutions since the start of the scamdemic. And early
on, the Leftie Elitist "leaders" made them illegal for doctors to prescribe.
When the politicians (and their sycophants in the "health" depts)
become more knowledgeable in medical topics than doctors who actually treat people every day?
There's also a huge difference between "what we can talk about" and
what is actually safe & effective.
Right. Your camp (the ignorant Left) wants to prevent anyone from
talking about anything that goes counter to your Narrative. Any discussion about treatments that are not the jab are Cancelled by your side.
You can talk about Ivermectin until
the cows come home, but as yet there's no accepted indication it does anything for, let me check here... oh right, viruses.
Tell that to the most populated area of India, that is now declared COVID-free, mostly sue to the use of Ivermectin.
"It's bad enough that so many people believe things without any
evidence. What is worse is that some people have no conception of evidence and regard facts as just someone else's opinion." -- Thomas Sowell
I'm just amazed that someone who is as willfully ignorant as you has
the gall to even post publically.
My duaghter in law gets tested twice a week, she just got covid like
a week ago, they made her quaritine for 5 days only, weird I though
it was still 10 days.
Because it's all BS. The CDC has publically admitted that their rules are mostly based on what the public will put up with. And the public is getting more and more cynical about COVID that the BS rules every day.
maybe there's defective tests. i gave a test to the woman i live
with last night and the whole bottom half turned purple and stayed
that way for quite a while. she was exposed to someone with it the
last couple of days. eventually it got really faint and i have to
give her another test to find out for sure.
My Daughter in law gets tested twice a week, she just got covid like a
week ago, they made her quaritine for 5 days only, weird I though it
was still 10 days.
also to clarify, i get the binaxnow antigen test and at walgreens i can pick from the type of test i want.
i think everyone should get tested once a week, especialy since it can be free at walgreens and cvs. lately i've been getting binax tests from walma
are they still pulling up women's dresses and showing their vaginas and piling up on top of them? there might be a good market in porn for that. ---
Huh? I missed that. What are you referring to?
Some fringe conservatives maybe.
left. The whole story was basically...
That narrative will change though. Merck's new anti-viral therapeutic is being produced in 3 plants world-wide, one of which is in Canada. So whenever that production gets in full swing I expect it will be included as one of only two acceptable solutions.Yes, government wants to protect the big-pharmas and they don't care
I see in another message you posted that you were "in" the pharmaceutical industry... What does that mean, exactly?As soon as there are other solutions that are shown to be safe and effective, you bet they're going to jump on them. It
just hasn't happened yet.
I disagree. I've noted zero discussion during this pandemic, from mainstream media, about how you can better protect yourself
WHEN
you get covid. People have been explicit about not wanting to promote alternatives, because it could lead to vaccine hesitancy.
I don't know how well it works, but the jury is out. There seems to be indications that in practice it is beneficial, though
the
mechanism may well not be understood. People are getting this backwards. If a safe drug seems to work, then it reasonable to
use
that drug to prevent death/sickness, even if you have to wait until later to show how well it actually worked. First, do no
harm, which has already been established with Ivermectin.
Again, I'm not promoting it, I'm just noting that the discussion around treatments seems highly political, and I believe that
people are adopting medical positions to indicate the political/ideological group they identify with.
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Re: Re: Booster
By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat Jan 01 2022 12:37 pm
are they still pulling up women's dresses and showing their vaginas and piling up on top of them? there might be a good market in porn for that. ---
Huh? I missed that. What are you referring to?
i posted a video here about it. they knocked over a woman and held her down and her dress was up.
it was about her not showing some vaccine pass.
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Re: Re: Booster
By: Boraxman to Trikester on Sat Jan 01 2022 12:28 pm
As soon as there are other solutions that are shown to be safe and
tive, you bet they're going to jump on them. Itmainstream
just hasn't happened yet.
I disagree. I've noted zero discussion during this pandemic, from
media, about how you can better protect yourselfaltern
WHEN
you get covid. People have been explicit about not wanting to promote
atives, because it could lead to vaccine hesitancy.
I see in another message you posted that you were "in" the
pharmaceutical industry... What does that mean, exactly?
I'm not sure what messages you're getting in your mainstream media
there, though I think it's not a great idea to be relying on them for "what should I do if I get sick?". Hmm... Do you have local health authorities there that are supposed to lead the way on these things?
I don't know how well it works, but the jury is out. There seems to be indicIf
ations that in practice it is beneficial, though
the
mechanism may well not be understood. People are getting this backwards.
a safe drug seems to work, then it reasonable to
use
that drug to prevent death/sickness, even if you have to wait until later to
show how well it actually worked. First, do no
harm, which has already been established with Ivermectin.
That's not really the case, though. Should one be taking medications
that you're not supposed to take? There is no credible evidence that
one should take Ivermectin for COVID. Pretty straightforward, as far as
I can see.
Anyone's doctor telling them they should take it?treat
Again, I'm not promoting it, I'm just noting that the discussion around
ments seems highly political, and I believe thatg
people are adopting medical positions to indicate the political/ideological
roup they identify with.
That's odd - It's not at all political from where I stand . There's no credible organization suggesting Ivermectin should be used for anything outside of it's stated purpose. When a credible medical organization
(not an individual or a single study) suggests otherwise, then perhaps that would be an indicator to take it seriously.
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This right here shows you are reading, and most importantly, believing, garbage. That's not a thing, sorry.
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People have known this for ages, they just don't see the need to act on it.
I'm not sure what messages you're getting in your mainstream media there, thou
I think it's not a great idea to be relying on them for "what should I do if get sick?". Hmm... Do you have local health authorities there that are suppose
to lead the way on these things?
Never did I see "if you catch covid, here is how you can lessen symptoms". Never. Keep in mind, that the official advice was that if you had it, you sta
at home. Stay at home and do what? What can I take.
NEVER did I see anything which said "here is how you can improve your health, so you are not hit as hard". Despite the very high correlation between deaths
and other comorbidities, including obesity, NEVER did anyone suggest improved diet, vitamins, how one might weather this better.
If the pandemic was serious enough to warrant 260 days of lockdown, firing people for not being vaccinated, introducing apartheid and monitoring, you would think it would be important enough to advise people how to handle it.
So that says something to me. It says that they were approaching this in term
of control, not health.
Appalling. We are back to the middle ages, with the Church defining truth, an
you being wrong, even if you SEE those moons moving around Jupiter.
Truth is not a matter of politics. Science is not decided by politics.
mandates and passports). It is political, but not left/right, rather is authoritarian vs freedom of choice.
In America, I'm not seeing that. Here, its literally LEFT or RIGHT - vax or not... that in my opinion and all -- but its so visible that it
smacks you in the face daily.
That narrative will change though. Merck's new anti-viral therapeutic is being produced in 3 plants world-wide, one of which is in Canada. whenever that production gets in full swing I expect it will be included as one of only two acceptable solutions.
You know some large companies have staff employed who's job it is specifically to influence government policy? That is literally their
job, to try and get the government to make the right decisions.
Never did I see "if you catch covid, here is how you can lessen symptoms". Never. Keep in mind, that the official advice was
that if you had it, you stay at home. Stay at home and do what? What can I take.
NEVER did I see anything which said "here is how you can improve your health, so you are not hit as hard". Despite the veryBullshit! Americans have very easy access to health information, but does that stop the mass convenience food buying and ever-expanding waistlines? Like, the majority are ignoring "how you can improve your health" advice. Which leads to...
If the pandemic was serious enough to warrant 260 days of lockdown, firing people for not being vaccinated, introducing
apartheid and monitoring, you would think it would be important enough to advise people how to handle it.
So that says something to me. It says that they were approaching this in terms of control, not health.
That's not really the case, though. Should one be taking medications that you're not supposed to take? There is no credibleCredible by what standard?
evidence that one should take Ivermectin for COVID. Pretty straightforward, as far as I can see.
Observaton is evidence.
And yet it is being used in other parts of the world.
Truth is not a matter of politics. Science is not decided by politics.
Our local (state-level) health authorities usually communicate with the public via our local mainstream media outlets. Being local, they are more straight-forward with their news than the larger
cable or internet outlets.
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Never did I see "if you catch covid, here is how you can lessen symptoms". Never. Keep in mind, that the official advice was that if you had it, you
at home. Stay at home and do what? What can I take.
That has been lacking somewhat here also. My understanding now is that
if you catch COVID and visit a doctor, you do receive advice and
sometimes medications. They also schedule you for an infusion.
IIRC, back in 2020, they were telling people who thought they had it
not to even go to the Dr's office.
NEVER did I see anything which said "here is how you can improve yourhealth,
so you are not hit as hard". Despite the very high correlation betweendeaths
and other comorbidities, including obesity, NEVER did anyone suggestimproved
diet, vitamins, how one might weather this better.
Never here either. I started taking a vitamin supplement, similar to
what I do during flu season (along with the yearly flu shot). The only advice was wear a mask, wash hands, stay home, and social distance if
you have to go out. During the summer, they added "go outside." Not
bad advice, but not any of the normal preventative care, either.
Oddly, before Delta has wound down, they seem to be leaving out the
wash hands and social distance advice in a lot of their messaging
lately. :(
If the pandemic was serious enough to warrant 260 days of lockdown, firing people for not being vaccinated, introducing apartheid and monitoring, you would think it would be important enough to advise people how to handle it.term
So that says something to me. It says that they were approaching this in
of control, not health.an
In the areas that have been very militant about it, it makes you
wonder.
Appalling. We are back to the middle ages, with the Church defining truth,
you being wrong, even if you SEE those moons moving around Jupiter.
Truth is not a matter of politics. Science is not decided by politics.
I would amend that to "Science is not decided by politicIANs." There
are people who are letting their own political stances cloud their
views, and I have found that you cannot stop them from doing so. The politicians (and those with political ambition) are the ones I worry about. There seem to be some around who think (like the Church used
to) that they get to define what science is "science" and what is not.
Some of the "science" that these people made fun of early on later
became part of what is accepted.
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Re: Re: Booster
By: Boraxman to Trikester on
Sun Jan 02 2022 12:16 pm
Never did I see "if you catch covid, here is how you can lessensymptoms". Never. Keep in mind, that the official advice was
that if you had it, you stay at home. Stay at home and do what? What can I
take.
Who says there's something to "take"? What do you take for other
viruses? You stay hydrated, you might take Vitamin C, but really, since when does every virus have a medication that's advertised on your TV? I think there may be an issue with all the medical advertising you have
on TV which isn't replicated in other places. It seems to make you
think there must be a 'thing' for everything.
The best thing one can do if you get sick is to treat it like any other virus at this point. There's isn't a kool-aid for it.
NEVER did I see anything which said "here is how you can improve yourhealth,
so you are not hit as hard". Despite the verype
Bullshit! Americans have very easy access to health information, but
does that stop the mass convenience food buying and ever-expanding waistlines? Like, the majority are ignoring "how you can improve your health" advice. Which leads to...
If the pandemic was serious enough to warrant 260 days of lockdown, firing
ople for not being vaccinated, introducingadv
apartheid and monitoring, you would think it would be important enough to
ise people how to handle it.ter
The mixed mesasging and nitwit politicians ignoring health advice has really done wonders for the perceptions, I guess.
So that says something to me. It says that they were approaching this in
ms of control, not health.
And if too many ignore all health advice in a pandemic... hmm, think
maybe things HAVE to go that way for a period of time?
I'm not sure all the whining from this angle means much, though. Was visiting someone who had hockey on last night. The game in Ottawa,
nobody in the stadium. The game in Seattle? Full crowd.
thaThat's not really the case, though. Should one be taking medications
t you're not supposed to take? There is no crediblestraightforwa
evidence that one should take Ivermectin for COVID. Pretty
rd, as far as I can see.
Credible by what standard?
Ceratinly not by Facebooks or social medias. Maybe listen to the guy
who's been faithfully advising through, what, 6 presidents now?
Observaton is evidence.
Right, all the layman observations are doing wonders. Flat earthers
unite!
And yet it is being used in other parts of the world.
Where?
Truth is not a matter of politics. Science is not decided by politics.
No kidding.
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My (anecdotal) take on it in my region is the 30's and under don't want
it because they don't need it (the healthy ones) so why take something
so new. The 40+ are a mix of "why take something new", "don't need it", and "don't tell me what to do". The latter isn't "screw libtards" here (Canada) because we have a mixture of left and right leaning provincial governments who all have the same message regarding vaccines (and
mandates and passports). It is political, but not left/right, rather it
is authoritarian vs freedom of choice.
In America, I'm not seeing that. Here, its literally LEFT or RIGHT -
vax or not... that in my opinion and all -- but its so visible that it smacks you in the face daily.
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if you catch COVID and visit a doctor, you do receive advice and
sometimes medications. They also schedule you for an infusion.
IIRC, back in 2020, they were telling people who thought they had it
not to even go to the Dr's office.
Never here either. I started taking a vitamin supplement, similar to
what I do during flu season (along with the yearly flu shot). The only advice was wear a mask, wash hands, stay home, and social distance if
you have to go out. During the summer, they added "go outside." Not
bad advice, but not any of the normal preventative care, either.
Oddly, before Delta has wound down, they seem to be leaving out the
wash hands and social distance advice in a lot of their messaging
lately. :(
I would amend that to "Science is not decided by politicIANs." There
are people who are letting their own political stances cloud their
views, and I have found that you cannot stop them from doing so.
politicians (and those with political ambition) are the ones I worry about. There seem to be some around who think (like the Church used
to) that they get to define what science is "science" and what is not.
if you catch COVID and visit a doctor, you do receive advice and
sometimes medications. They also schedule you for an infusion.
That's interesting. An infusion of what?
Your statement is misguided. Medicines help with a particular condition. Whether a viral infection can be helped depends on
the
symptions. Medication can relieve the symptoms, which can be the difference between life and death.
You do realise they use ventilators? They do not treat the virus either.
The forced natured of the vaccine rollout, the exclusion, the rhetoric, I think this has been counter productive. It was bad
decision making, stupid, to take away agency from people.
Fauci? He is just one voice among many.
Right, all the layman observations are doing wonders. Flat earthers unite!That is a stupid thing to say. It was observaton which led people to believe the earth was round in the first place. It was
observation which led to vaccines in the first place.
That statement right reveals a lot.
This idea that observation doesn't matter, that what someone decrees overides what is observed is anti-science. It fills me
with despair that so many who are promoting a warped view of how science works are not being called out on it.
And yet it is being used in other parts of the world.India, Japan.
Where?
I'm not sure what the advice is in Australia, but from what I've heard, it was
to stay home, and if you need it, go to the hospital or call an ambulance.
I suppose people would go to the doctor on their own accord, but for those advised to stay home, some additional info on how to cope would have been good
I would amend that to "Science is not decided by politicIANs." There are people who are letting their own political stances cloud their views, and I have found that you cannot stop them from doing so. The politicians (and those with political ambition) are the ones I worry about. There seem to be some around who think (like the Church used
to) that they get to define what science is "science" and what is not.
Some of the "science" that these people made fun of early on later became part of what is accepted.
Another part is people who want to be seen as being rational, being with "the science", who saw it opportune to repeat certain truths because they were associated with "the science". Very few actually understood science, fewer practiced it.
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if you catch COVID and visit a doctor, you do receive advice and sometimes medications. They also schedule you for an infusion.
That's interesting. An infusion of what?
Never here either. I started taking a vitamin supplement, similar to what I do during flu season (along with the yearly flu shot). The only advice was wear a mask, wash hands, stay home, and social distance if you have to go out. During the summer, they added "go outside." Not bad advice, but not any of the normal preventative care, either.
The last thing that they wanted is for people to stop getting impacted by COVID. High numbers means the sheeple are scared - and more easily controlled
This has been long in coming. The Leftie Elites took over higher education a long time ago and have been producing people who were more indoctrinated than educated. Combine that with a culture that has been conditioned to defer to the 'experts' and they have enother way to control people.
Most of those "scientists" are not scientists. They have the degree, but they
know that they are at best, hacks. That makes it even easier for them to be subverted. Then add the whole "grants" process that they need to play in just
to have a decent income.
politicians (and those with political ambition) are the ones I worry about. There seem to be some around who think (like the Church used
to) that they get to define what science is "science" and what is not.
Right out of Orwell's "1984".
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Re: Re: Booster
By: Boraxman to Trikester on
Mon Jan 03 2022 03:51 pm
Your statement is misguided. Medicines help with a particular condition.
ether a viral infection can be helped depends on
the
symptions. Medication can relieve the symptoms, which can be the difference
between life and death.
You do realise they use ventilators? They do not treat the virus either.
Just like if you had a bad flu, you take care of yourself as best as
you can (there's likely no medicine to 'take' unless you've been prescribed something by a medical professional) and if you're really
ill, you might need to head to the hospital. That's where the
ventilators are, they're not a "I read it on Facebook" thing to
administer to yourself.
The forced natured of the vaccine rollout, the exclusion, the rhetoric, Ithi
nk this has been counter productive. It was bad
decision making, stupid, to take away agency from people.
Agency doesn't mean one gets to make dangerous decisions for themselves and then force that on to others.
They should have mandated the vaccine, period. No balls, though.
Fauci? He is just one voice among many.
He's a very specific voice, one which many other places would be lucky
to have.
unitRight, all the layman observations are doing wonders. Flat earthers
e!believe
That is a stupid thing to say. It was observaton which led people to
the earth was round in the first place. It wasoverides
observation which led to vaccines in the first place.
That statement right reveals a lot.
It was worded kind of specifically, but I am not surprised that you
picked up on all but the adjective.
This idea that observation doesn't matter, that what someone decrees
what is observed is anti-science. It fills mework
with despair that so many who are promoting a warped view of how science
s are not being called out on it.
That's not what was said or suggested. Of course observation matters. Observing misinformation, anecdotes, etc is causing all sorts of
problems.
And yet it is being used in other parts of the world.India, Japan.
Where?
India was short-lived and cancelled due to no evidence that it did anything. Japan, no. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/11/05/fact-check-japa n-has-not-halted-vaccines-ivermectin/6232580001/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/11/27/no-ivermectin-did-not-h elp-japan-bring-down-covid-19-coronavirus-delta-surge/?sh=2
83dba1c2938
Sorry if those get chopped up on send here. Hopefully you find them
useful on that last point.
Well, I would say this is more than a bad flu to some. Yes, it will be the doctor that you see that will make any
but there are many other concomitant risk factors that can be addressed.
want to limit or direct discourse. I have found that even just suggesting that front line medical workers may know something we
don't can be controversial.
The Victorian "Covid Commander" that we see on TV, who people here follow for guidance as to what to think and how to handle the
pandemic, is not a scientist or a doctor. He actually used to run the public transport system.
People get to make dangerous decisions all the time. Whether to have unprotected promiscious sex or not, to overdrink, to eat
unhealthy food, smoke, overload yourself with sugar, partake in risky physical activity.
No "anti-vaxxer" is forcing their choice on others.
There are many, many other countries with a lower death toll, and a lower number of deaths per capita, than the USA.
I'm not blaming Fauci for this, there are many other factors, but I'm going to take my queues and advice from where there is
greater success.
Agreed, but anecdotes when repeatedly observed are data. The issue isn't that people aren't listening to Rogan or other voices,
the issue is the reluctance that people have to listen to professionals.
I'm yet to decide whether you are such person, but I have noted with others, this worldview that we should only listen to
authorities, and that professionals don't actually know what they are doing. This is a worrying trend.
that numbers have dropped and I don't believe that Ivermectin is THE key. My position is more philosophical, if medical
practitioners are observing success, it should be of interest, and it shouldn't be up to lay people (like you and me) to
interpret or interfere.
But many have been doing that (both for and against IVM), which is why I consider it politicised. The entire argument is
tainted IMO by people who want to ensure a narrative.
The only reason I'll debate or argue against the use of Ivermectin is because that's what sound interpretation says. I'm listening
to professionals that are analyzing and publishing. For example, this is a fun one, too: https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19/ivermectin-train-cannot-stop
The problem is that no one really knows if it is truly helpful or not.
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Re: Re: Booster
By: Boraxman to Trikester on
Tue Jan 04 2022 02:13 pm
Well, I would say this is more than a bad flu to some. Yes, it will be the
octor that you see that will make any
but there are many other concomitant risk factors that can be addressed.
Yes, of course this is much worse than a flu to many, which overall has made it more dangerous and something people have needed to heed the
expert advice that's being handed down as it's being agreed upon.
want to limit or direct discourse. I have found that even just suggestingth
at front line medical workers may know something we
don't can be controversial.
Please tell me you're not referring to "Americuhs Frontline Doctors". Please tell me you're not referring to "Americuhs Frontline Doctors". Please...
The Victorian "Covid Commander" that we see on TV, who people here followfor
guidance as to what to think and how to handle thepublic
pandemic, is not a scientist or a doctor. He actually used to run the
transport system.unprote
No idea who you're referring to here, sorry.
People get to make dangerous decisions all the time. Whether to have
cted promiscious sex or not, to overdrink, to eatphysica
unhealthy food, smoke, overload yourself with sugar, partake in risky
l activity.
No "anti-vaxxer" is forcing their choice on others.
One sentence contains a bunch of dangerous health decisions one gets to make that are not transmissible to others (well, sorry, unprotected sex would be, but one would hope that's mutually agreed upon by the participants, and it's limited to them anyway). The next sentence
contains an action that does create extra transmission to others,
hence, yes, it's forced on others against their will, and those of us
who have done everything we can to keep transmission down, or contained with ourselves as best as possible if we do indeed get it, are not
happy with those who don't understand that their choices *absolutely* affect others.
There are many, many other countries with a lower death toll, and a lowernum
ber of deaths per capita, than the USA.t
I'm not blaming Fauci for this, there are many other factors, but I'm going
o take my queues and advice from where there is
greater success.
Like New Zealand? I think the USA would have turned their red state
rivers brown with shit from reaction to a solid management of the virus "against their freedumbs".
Agreed, but anecdotes when repeatedly observed are data. The issue isn'ttha
t people aren't listening to Rogan or other voices,
the issue is the reluctance that people have to listen to professionals.
Well, this is a tough one to say I agree or disagree on, because
context in each case would be important. I would agree that the one professional that should have been listened to even by his own boss wasn't, until it was too late. But, for the rest of everyone, who are
you expecting them to listen to? There's plenty of professionals who
are sheisters, too. An interesting study is, going back to the original point, the number of fraudulent or rushed or ill-qualified studies on a variety of items out there, including Ivermectin-as-a-great-medecine-for-COVID. "Professionals" (and the
quotes aren't meant to demean the whole group) have muddied the waters, creating these dumb situations where places like India have used Ivermectin and had to find out for themselves that it does nothing, and whoever gave them their advice to use it hadn't done enough work to
sort out the data.
I'm yet to decide whether you are such person, but I have noted with others,
this worldview that we should only listen to
authorities, and that professionals don't actually know what they are doing.
This is a worrying trend.
Hopefully some of the previous paragraph explains a bit. I'm worried
that there seems to be a rather large distinction being made that authorities and professionals don't co-exist. Authorities have to get their shit together from professionals, otherwise they're not an authority. If that's occurring, that obviously has to be dealt with, as you lose your authority otherwise. Which is why any "authority" (let's just call it "Florida"?) making stupid moves loses all credibility.
that numbers have dropped and I don't believe that Ivermectin is THE key.My
position is more philosophical, if medicalshouldn
practitioners are observing success, it should be of interest, and it
't be up to lay people (like you and me) tocons
interpret or interfere.
But many have been doing that (both for and against IVM), which is why I
ider it politicised. The entire argument is
tainted IMO by people who want to ensure a narrative.
I'm very confused by some of this - how are you or I interfering with scientists doing their studies? That's not a thing (and I suspect I'm
not quite understanding your meaning). They're doing their studies, and other scientists are trying to keep up with analysis of that data.
The only reason I'll debate or argue against the use of Ivermectin is because that's what sound interpretation says. I'm listening to professionals that are analyzing and publishing. For example, this is a fun one, too: https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19/ivermectin-train-cannot-stop
Does this fit my narrative? Sure. But if I saw something come along
that was suggested to be a cure, a good medicine for COVID, etc, from
the right groups of people and there wasn't such enormous evidence to
the contrary, I'd absolutely be thrilled. I don't know why one
wouldn't.
The politicization is for others, it's not such a thing in my immediate
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The only reason I'll debate or argue against the use of Ivermectin is
that's what sound interpretation says. I'm listeningfu
to professionals that are analyzing and publishing. For example, this is a
n one, too: https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19/ivermectin-train-cannot-stop
The problem is that no one really knows if it is truly helpful or not.
You might ask why and the answer is that no valid clinical trials were conducted. The CDC even says that the existing studies all had problems that call the results into question. Either too small sample size, methodologies, not double blind, etc, etc.
The thing is that before Covid there was research into Ivermectin for anti-bacterial and anti-viral properties, and it was very promising research.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5819080/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6277121/
I dont know if Ivermectin is a valid treatment for Covid and we
will probably never really know. I just know that medical science has
been harmed and set back not because of the science but because of politics.
The evidence is getting pretty clear - it hasn't been helpful with COVID.
There's no politicization of it here, it's still the same result.
I dont know if Ivermectin is a valid treatment for Covid and we
will probably never really know. I just know that medical science has
been harmed and set back not because of the science but because of
politics.
The evidence is getting pretty clear - it hasn't been helpful with COVID.Not according to clinicaltrials.gov unless the evidence is that we dont know.
This is correct. If Ivermectin is shown to be beneficial, there will be an immediate large scale demand, that other manufacturers will be able to fill immediately.
Luckily it seems the new variant will displace the earliers with a less deadly version.
Please tell me you're not referring to "Americuhs Frontline Doctors".I didn't have America's doctors specifically in mind.
True, but this is not new. we have been deciding to keep going out with the flu or a minor cold for years. How many people have we killed because 10 years ago we "soldiered on" at work.
i do take your point, but there has always been some degree of decision making which has affected others. cjildren and pedestrians dead because of another persons decision to drive. Transmission of other doseases.
Then we have climate change, and our collective deadly actions.
risk to others. But I also think we have to accept the background risk to us, from freedom others have wont be zero.
I,m in Australia, we had very strong lockdowns, moreso than NZ: covid is everywhere now. The leaders are now doing a 180 saying its not a big deal.
anyway, I think the US is broken culturally, so from a US perspective, everything is broken.
We need to restore faith in authorities, and institutions, but I think some of the rhetoric against "anti-vaxxers" and "conspiracy theorists" has been cointer productive. By speakong of people as "the other", you only cement and expand their distrust of experts. This is what I object to. A more conciliatory approach would result in less division.
There is no incentive for companies like Merck to see a study on Ivermectin succeed. There is little incentive to spend the money and time to do it right.
I don't work for Pfizer, but strategic decisions are made high up, and by
I find the term "freedumb", implying that freedom is dumb, or the aspiration for freedom is dumb highly concerning.
It's not meant to suggest that in the least, actually. It's a mockery of peo who are claiming their freedoms are being infringed upon because they can't to their favourite restaurant (or gym or whatever). The world's smallest violins play for these people.
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This is correct. If Ivermectin is shown to be beneficial, there will be an immediate large scale demand, that other manufacturers will be able to fill immediately.
Yes, but how do you tell whether it provides benefits or not that is
not anecdotal evidence? Clinical Trials. When the USA and Europe
complete their clinical trials then we will have solid data. You can
keep track of the trials at clinicaltrials.gov.
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Re: Re: Booster
By: Boraxman to Trikester on
Sat Jan 08 2022 07:36 pm
Hey Boraxman,
I forgot to say it in my last response, but I do appreciate the thought you've put in to each one of these responses. Truly!
Luckily it seems the new variant will displace the earliers with a less deadly version.
Yes, that's what it's looking like and holy heck I hope we're really at the beginning of the end (by 'end' I do mean a 'new normal' where we
live with it).
Please tell me you're not referring to "Americuhs Frontline Doctors".I didn't have America's doctors specifically in mind.
ok, was just referring to a wacky anti-vaxx group that's made plenty of misinformation noise.
True, but this is not new. we have been deciding to keep going out with the flu or a minor cold for years. How many people have we killed because 10 years ago we "soldiered on" at work.
Some, sure, and that's a good point, too. It would be great if we could get a grasp on this separate issue of working people to death, prioritizing coming in to the office above all else, etc. These are separate issues but absolutely a large, stupid problem.
i do take your point, but there has always been some degree of decision making which has affected others. cjildren and pedestrians dead because of another persons decision to drive. Transmission of other doseases.
Yup, and as per above, maybe we're just about at the point where we can live with the less dangerous mutations. In Canada, we're starting to
talk about possibly mandatory vaccinations or other things we can do to not allow the non-vaccinated to plug up the hospitals, reducing all capacity for elective surgeries, delaying cancer treatments, etc.
We live with everything else and make safety standards all over the
place. Put your damn seatbelt on! heh
Then we have climate change, and our collective deadly actions.
Yeah, but this is now 'whatabout'ism. Yes, there's other things that
kill us, but we were just discussing some other nonsense relating to
the pandemic.
risk to others. But I also think we have to accept the background risk to us, from freedom others have wont be zero.
Sure, we do, every day with hundreds of little items. Some risks have
been deemed non-acceptable by our authorities in this pandemic, and there's been *temporary* measures put in place to try and mitigate
those.
I,m in Australia, we had very strong lockdowns, moreso than NZ: covid is everywhere now. The leaders are now doing a 180 saying its not a big deal.
We're certainly not getting that messaging here. "Less deadly" vs. "not
a big deal" are pretty different, so I'm glad we haven't seen that.
anyway, I think the US is broken culturally, so from a US perspective, everything is broken.
Heh, I had to chuckle at that.
We need to restore faith in authorities, and institutions, but I think some of the rhetoric against "anti-vaxxers" and "conspiracy theorists" has been cointer productive. By speakong of people as "the other", you only cement and expand their distrust of experts. This is what I object to. A more conciliatory approach would result in less division.
Well, this is true, there appears to be pretty good evidence that one doesn't get one convinced of something by putting them in a "them" box, nor by getting one's self put in the "them" box. Unfortunately, far too many online are sitting behind a device figuring they're going to
create an effective grass-roots effort to convince the world that
everyone who's not like them is a crackpot, or worse.
However, when one's starting point is pushing misinformation in an aggressive fashion, it's hard to do much but say 'get stuffed'.
There is no incentive for companies like Merck to see a study on Ivermectin succeed. There is little incentive to spend the money and time to do it right.
Maybe not quite so much for Merck, but then why is anyone studying it
at all? I'm not sure I understand this point.
I don't work for Pfizer, but strategic decisions are made high up, and by
Aaaand... how does this play out for you in regards to Ivermectin being used for COVID? Is there a direct correlation here or just the point
that people are influenceable?
I find the term "freedumb", implying that freedom is dumb, or the aspiration for freedom is dumb highly concerning.
It's not meant to suggest that in the least, actually. It's a mockery
of people who are claiming their freedoms are being infringed upon
because they can't go to their favourite restaurant (or gym or
whatever). The world's smallest violins play for these people.
The stuff they are doing in Australia and New Zealand is outright dystopic. If you get your compliance passport, you get the privilege of the authorities knowing where you go, when you go and who you meet. Everytime you move into a flagged area you need to register your movements with the authorities so they know what you are up to.
If you walk into a gay bar, the government _knows_. If you walk into a place where some activist group is having a meeting, the government _knows_.
The people who likes this sort of Communistic Nazi crap are usually ok with
Kind of reminds me of the Freenode takeover. Everybody was ok with Freenode owning the emails, passwords and account information of known activists. Then an alleged Trump supported purchased the system and everybody shitted their pants because an unstrusted party had access to the gay activists data.
If you walk into a gay bar, the government _knows_. If you walk into a place where some activist group is having a meeting, the government _knows_.
Some people have postulated that it works when you actually have parasites. Much of the third world does and it appears to work there, but that might be because you don't have the combo of covid and worms after taking it. The data anecdotally bears this out.
The thing we're looking to fight against here is the notion or
argument that one should take it. It's not up to laymen to decide.
Maybe what's more important and problematic is that it's highly
driven by anti-vaxxers. So it's not really even about taking
Ivermectin, it's that it's a wonder medicine that keeps 'ya safe as a complete substitute for the vaccination.
A great quote from the article is "Ivermectin may offer a slight benefit
or a slight harm to people with COVID-19, we still do not know for
sure, but it is clearly not the saviour the FLCCC and other
proponents of the drug want us to believe. Their obsession with
ivermectin is not data-driven."
So, you're not wrong. The point is, don't put it in your body unless you're part of a clinical trial that's asked you to do so.
Kind of reminds me of the Freenode takeover. Everybody was ok with Freenode owning the emails, passwords and account information of known activists. Then
an alleged Trump supported purchased the system and everybody shitted their pants because an unstrusted party had access to the gay activists data.
That depends on how you conduct the trial, and what you are trying to prove.
Does it work better when taken with another drug? What dosage? When is best to
administer? do you do the trial with people who have only just contracted the
virus, or do you look at later stage patients.
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It's not meant to suggest that in the least, actually. It's a mockery of peo who are claiming their freedoms are being infringed upon because they can't to their favourite restaurant (or gym or whatever). The world's smallest violins play for these people.
The issue is not being unable to walk into your favourite restaurant.
The issue is we are creating a surveillance and enforcement machinery
as the world has never seen before and we are complying because we are scared and we want the crisis to end.
The stuff they are doing in Australia and New Zealand is outright dystopic. If you get your compliance passport, you get the privilege of the authorities knowing where you go, when you go and who you meet. Everytime you move into a flagged area you need to register your
movements with the authorities so they know what you are up to.
If you walk into a gay bar, the government _knows_. If you walk into a place where some activist group is having a meeting, the government _knows_.
The most devilish aspect is that the people who is tracked is actually
the people who gets their compliance passport, which, in theory, is the people who is not going to be infected. In my opinion, this means the government either 1) thinks the jab campaign is ineffective, so even jabbed people needs to be tracked or 2) is not thinking of healthcare
at all when pushing for surveillance systems.
The people who likes this sort of Communistic Nazi crap are usually ok with it because they think they control the government up top a point. "President Jack is a good guy and does this all for the good of us all.
It is only natural for us to allow him to enforce these rules." Then, elections happen and some asshole from hell takes power, and everybody runs for cover because President Asshole has all the totalitarian
weapons we created for good Jack.
Kind of reminds me of the Freenode takeover. Everybody was ok with Freenode owning the emails, passwords and account information of known activists. Then an alleged Trump supported purchased the system and everybody shitted their pants because an unstrusted party had access to the gay activists data.
The second issue is that compliance passports are a way of
circumventing traditional rights in a way society may accept. Most civilized countries have constitution, Magna Cartas or similar
documments that force the government not to do institutional discrimination. What compliance passports do is to put the burden of discriminating non-compliant people on small business so the government does not have to chase after non-compliers. It normalizes the notion
that you cannot trade with people who does not have a compliance badge issued by the government.
Once such mechanism is implemented and accepted by society, it is very, _very_ easy to keep adding requisites to keep your compliance badge,
and keep adding penaulties for not having one. Give it a decade and you may find you are banned from getting your groceries if you don t have
your papers in order.
I know it sounds overblown, but my experience with licenses and similar regulations is that they always expand their obtention requisites and
the penaulties for not having one. Once you get a dog license, for example, you will have to fullfil additional requerinments each time
you need to renew it because some smartass thought you need another certificate that demonstrates you are a good citizen.
It is an extermination machine designed to destroy non-compliant
targets without having to use the military, and it should be
acknowledged as such.
You're goign to have to provide some information on this as I'm not up on th surveillance programs there.
Re: Re: Booster
By: Arelor to Trikester on Sun Jan 09 2022 04:44 am
If you walk into a gay bar, the government _knows_. If you walk into a pl where some activist group is having a meeting, the government _knows_.
So leave your cell phone at home. :-)
Kind of reminds me of the Freenode takeover. Everybody was ok with Freeno owning the emails, passwords and account information of known activists. Then
an alleged Trump supported purchased the system and everybody shitted the pants because an unstrusted party had access to the gay activists data.
Is that what happened? I took a hiatus from an opensource project and
came back to find out they switched IRC networks.
which comes back to my point that we dont know and need to wait for the clinical trials to finish and publish.
we have a lot more data of what Ivermectin does to the body and it's
safety than we do with the covid vaccines, which are still undergoing
Omicron, the media is trying to scare you by telling you its way more contagious but then leave out that it is a lot more milder and lung
tissue infection is much lower than the original strain.
Excuse my terse responses as I am typing this using multimail while SSHing into a rasperry pi on a blackberry style mobile. Typing is difficult.
While I would have taken great pains to ensure I dont give my brother covid, I was less worried about my children getting it.
We did risk management poorly.
I think at this point it may be beneficial for freshly vaccinated people with no comorbidities to seek Omicron. As for hospitals, the issue isnt
capacity. Now the governmentm in the face of a medical emergency is blaming citizens instead of themselves. Reminds me of the EU financial crisis when
Thats my take. We were unprepared because neoliberalism and "economic rationalism" just cannot cope with anything but business as usual.
Sure, we do, every day with hundreds of little items. Some risks have been deemed non-acceptable by our authorities in this pandemic, and there's been *temporary* measures put in place to try and mitigate those.
I hope they are temporary, but I worry that some of these measures will come back for other reasons.
I beleive that most (not all, but most) ant vaxxers have genuine concerns.
I dont know about your region, but the news media here fed vaccine scpeticism. Now they whine about it.
The whole fuss, but both supporters and detractors is a misunderstanding. It is economics, not science which really shape the debate.
Kind of reminds me of the Freenode takeover. Everybody was ok with Freenode owning the emails, passwords and account information of known activists. Then
an alleged Trump supported purchased the system and everybody shitted their pants because an unstrusted party had access to the gay activists data.
Is that what happened? I took a hiatus from an opensource project and
came back to find out they switched IRC networks.
Kind of reminds me of the Freenode takeover. Everybody was oWas all that fuss about Freenode just about support for Trump?
with Freenode owning the emails, passwords and account
information of known activists. Then an alleged Trump suppor
purchased the system and everybody shitted their pants becau
an unstrusted party had access to the gay activists data.
It's not that they don't have valid concerns, or didn't have valid concerns initially, it's just the inability to digest what's real from what's not see to be lost on many. The ability to process evidence, and maybe most importantly, the ability to allow one's self to be wrong. The "You are not s smart" podcast has an excellent episode about talking to anti-vaxxers, and o of the big issues seems to be people would rather die an actual death than a social death.
Re: Re: Booster
By: Arelor to Trikester on Sun Jan 09 2022 04:44 am
Kind of reminds me of the Freenode takeover. Everybody was o with Freenod owning the emails, passwords and account information of known activists. Then an alleged Trump suppor purchased the system and everybody shitted their pants becau an unstrusted party had access to the gay activists daWas all that fuss about Freenode just about support for Trump? Is that the r reason people were in a tizzy?
THat is the quick summary, really. As with all these dramas, there are lots of
people arguing for different points of view and calling the other side the devil.
Who does? Like, what is your point here? It's OK to not wait and
praise Ivermectin for non-proven uses, but it's not OK to point out
it isn't proven useful for anything besides what it's useful for?
Poppycock. How many doses of COVID vaccines have been given out?
That data's emerged pretty quickly, and this wasn't invented
yesterday.
Like, what is your point here?
Maybe in your media? I'm not sure what you're seeing. It seems pretty straightforward here - and the messaging is still pretty clear that
with the booster shot, it still reduces the trips to the hospital
compared to unvaccinated.
The point I was making many messages ago was that people should stop promoting Ivermectin as it's not promoted by sane community at all.
It's pretty basic.
Still, I have to ask, as this topic just goes round and round and
round - what is your point?
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The more you tell them they cant have Ivermectin because it doesnt
work, but lack the clinical trial data, the more they will think it
does work.
Most of the "anti-vaxxers" I have talked to are really people do
support vaccines but think it hasnt been tested enough and right now
its being used as large scale global testing without the liability you would have with an approved vaccine.
The covid mrna vaccines are the
first mrna vaccines used on humans. It might not be "new" technology
but it is the first application of the mrna vaccine method being
deployed globally.
which comes back to my point that we dont know and need to wait for the clinical trials to finish and publish.
Re: Re: Booster
By: Arelor to Trikester on Sun Jan 09 2022 04:44 am
Kind of reminds me of the Freenode takeover. Everybody was o with Freenode owning the emails, passwords and account information of known activists. Then an alleged Trump suppor purchased the system and everybody shitted their pants becau an unstrusted party had access to the gay activists data.Was all that fuss about Freenode just about support for Trump? Is that the real reason people were in a tizzy?
So, you're not wrong. The point is, don't put it in your body unless you're part of a clinical trial that's asked you to do so.
Or, you're taking it for one of it's known actual functions.
Best part is you cant prove me wrong because you have no clinical trial data to show it was tested.
On 10 Jan 2022, TheMemeWarrior said the following...
Best part is you cant prove me wrong because you have no clinical trial data to show it was tested.
Game, set, match to TMW. :D
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So, you're not wrong. The point is, don't put it in your body unless you're part of a clinical trial that's asked you to do so.
Or, you're taking it for one of it's known actual functions.
What's the harm in using it? We live in a world where people take drugs off-label all the time. If someone chooses to use Ivermectin (whose dosage side effects are well known and cataloged) instead of whatever you think the should take, how are you harmed? How is the patient harmed? At worst they' taken an ineffective but otherwise harmless medication, same as if they'd tr to treat it with essential oils. Either way it's another data point (if onl anecdotal).
Of course, if we didn't live in a nanny state that required prescriptions fo everything, we wouldn't really be having this conversation.
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Creating a straw man argument is not the way to prove yourself right. I never said to not wait but that we need the data. You were pretty
adamant that the data said it wasnt helpful at all in your first
response to me.
The point is that I find it funny you think we know much less about a
drug that has been on the market for decades but we know the safety of a
new vaccine that was pushed to market the same year it was developed
and its the first of its kind. Please dont tell me you "trust the
science" since you obviously dont see the point of doing proper
science.
Ivermectin has already been proven to work in other countries.
What's the harm in using it? We live in a world where people take drugs off-label all the time. If someone chooses to use Ivermectin (whose dosage and side effects are well known and cataloged) instead of whatever you think they should take, how are you harmed? How is the patient harmed? At worst
Maybe in your media? I'm not sure what you're seeing. It seems pretty straightforward here - and the messaging is still pretty clear that with the booster shot, it still reduces the trips to the hospital compared to unvaccinated.
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Re: Re: Booster
By: Boraxman to Arelor on
Mon Jan 10 2022 02:40 pm
Re: Re: Booster
By: Arelor to Trikester on Sun Jan 09 2022 04:44 am
Kind of reminds me of the Freenode takeover. Everybody was o with Freenod owning the emails, passwords and account information of known activists. Then an alleged Trump suppor purchased the system and everybody shitted their pants becau an unstrusted party had access to the gay activists daWas all that fuss about Freenode just about support for Trump? Is that the r reason people were in a tizzy?
No, that was not the reason, but some people used the argument in an attempt to prove the new owner meant bad news for the network and was dangerous.
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Re: Re: Booster
By: Boraxman to Arelor on Mon Jan 10 2022 02:40 pm
Re: Re: Booster
By: Arelor to Trikester on Sun Jan 09 2022 04:44 am
Kind of reminds me of the Freenode takeover. Everybody was o with Freenode owning the emails, passwords and account information of known activists. Then an alleged Trump suppor purchased the system and everybody shitted their pants becau an unstrusted party had access to the gay activists data.Was all that fuss about Freenode just about support for Trump? Is that the real reason people were in a tizzy?
it was just a lot of irc drama.
but it appears that some of these schmucks were referring to anti trump this is from slashdot
As it is now known, the Freenode IRC network has been taken over by a "narcissistic Trumpian wannabe korean royalty bitcoins millionaire," [writes (former) staff member Marco d'Itri
"Fuck you Christel, lilo's life work did not deserve this"
oh god, what a laugh. that lilo guy was a loser who survived on donations. he was a real scam artist.
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Re: Re: Booster
By: Boraxman to Trikester on
Sun Jan 09 2022 05:48 pm
Excuse my terse responses as I am typing this using multimail while SSHing into a rasperry pi on a blackberry style mobile. Typing is difficult.
No worries at all!
While I would have taken great pains to ensure I dont give my brother covid, I was less worried about my children getting it.
We did risk management poorly.
I think that happened in many places. Wishy-washy-ness due to a partial lack of understanding of what was coming, perhaps, but definitely a
huge problem with our leaders being so worried about "theconermy"...
heh, the economy. Sooooo much garbage pressure to "get things back to normal" after the first wave + lockdown. I wonder if they knew then
what we all know now, if they'd have worked just a little harder to understand how much more things were going to cost due to getting back
to the old normal quickly.
I think at this point it may be beneficial for freshly vaccinated people with no comorbidities to seek Omicron. As for hospitals, the issue isnt
I'm not there at all yet. Even if Omicron is milder, and still less of
a risk for those of us with all our shots (and free 5G is awesome,
btw), it would be like going around licking doorknobs just to get the latest strain of the flu. You'd think someone was insane.
capacity. Now the governmentm in the face of a medical emergency is blaming citizens instead of themselves. Reminds me of the EU financial crisis when
In that they're blaming antivaxxers, or just 'the people'? We're seeing some pushback here toward antivaxxers here, and talk (that I don't
think will go anywhere) about mandatory vaccinations.
Thats my take. We were unprepared because neoliberalism and "economic rationalism" just cannot cope with anything but business as usual.
Absolutely.
It's like when we hear people talk about their fears in relation to "theconermy" when the topic of transitioning to clean energy or
everything else involved in cutting back / reversing climate change
goes. It seems that the concept of "there is no economy where there are
no more humans left" is just ungrokkable.
Sure, we do, every day with hundreds of little items. Some risks have been deemed non-acceptable by our authorities in this pandemic, and there's been *temporary* measures put in place to try and mitigate those.
I hope they are temporary, but I worry that some of these measures will come back for other reasons.
I guess time will tell on this one, but I suspect that most democracies won't tolerate pandemic restrictions (or their like) so much when
there's no need.
I know this could lead to many other examples of restrictions we
already tolerate and that's certainly not my intention. I'm just saying that time will tell on this one.
I beleive that most (not all, but most) ant vaxxers have genuine concerns.
I dont know about your region, but the news media here fed vaccine scpeticism. Now they whine about it.
It's not that they don't have valid concerns, or didn't have valid concerns initially, it's just the inability to digest what's real from what's not seems to be lost on many. The ability to process evidence,
and maybe most importantly, the ability to allow one's self to be
wrong. The "You are not so smart" podcast has an excellent episode
about talking to anti-vaxxers, and one of the big issues seems to be people would rather die an actual death than a social death.
To me that's kind of a wild concept, but it seems to have merit.
The whole fuss, but both supporters and detractors is a misunderstanding. It is economics, not science which really shape the debate.
I still not with 'ya on that one, though. I think misinformation trolls are doing dangerous things to those who will listen.
Now seriously, what I have heard from doctors here is that the dosage upon which Invermectine had a chance of being helpful (according to preliminary reports) is very close to being a dangerous dose. Invermectine is dangerous if taken lightly.
This was a while ago so I don't know if any new information has come up.
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Ivermectin has already been proven to work in other countries.
No, it hasn't. There's no such thing.
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Creating a straw man argument is not the way to prove yourself right.
The point is that I find it funny you think we know much less about a
drug that has been on the market for decades but we know the safety of
a new vaccine that was pushed to market the same year it was developed
and its the first of its kind. Please dont tell me you "trust the
science" since you obviously dont see the point of doing proper
science.
My media? I wasnt aware the WHO and CDC are media.
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Who does? Like, what is your point here? It's OK to not wait and
praise Ivermectin for non-proven uses, but it's not OK to point out
it isn't proven useful for anything besides what it's useful for?
Creating a straw man argument is not the way to prove yourself right. I never said to not wait but that we need the data. You were pretty
adamant that the data said it wasnt helpful at all in your first
response to me.
Poppycock. How many doses of COVID vaccines have been given out?
That data's emerged pretty quickly, and this wasn't invented
yesterday.
No, the vaccine wasnt invented yesterday. It was invented in 2020 and
is the first mRNA vaccine that has been tested on humans and on the
world population instead of controlled environments first.
Good luck trying to sue the drug makers if something goes wrong though.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-
lawsuit.html
Best part is you cant prove me wrong because you have no clinical trial data to show it was tested.
"As of Saturday, the official numbers[*] show that of 278
Ontarians in intensive care due to COVID-19, 123 of them are
unvaccinated . Of the 1,925 who are in Ontario hospitals
without requiring intensive care, meanwhile, 457 are
unvaccinated against 1,353 fully vaccinated." [NationalPost]
I fugure we will all get it. The risk is lowest when the vaccine has been
I do not consider "boosters" ad infinitum an acceptable risk.
In that they're blaming antivaxxers, or just 'the people'? We're seeing some pushback here toward antivaxxers here, and talk (that I don't think will go anywhere) about mandatory vaccinations.It is a diversion from the failure of their ideology. Modern neoliberalism isnt designed to cope with history. It is a weak ideology. The West is in decline, evidenced by how crisis lead to a permanent weakening. The ruling elite are trying to survive when they really are obsolete. It is panic, and a fear that their world order is shown to be a failure. China was building beds while the West was still figuring out whether closing the borders is a good idea, or not.
it could have been balanced better. "The Economy" also means food on the table, medicine, ambulances, power, clothingm sanitation.
we are still facing difficulties with suplly due to economic disruption which is affecting suplly of our products.
That is what "the economy" is.
I know this could lead to many other examples of restrictions we already tolerate and that's certainly not my intention. I'm just saying that time will tell on this one.Hence why I supoort the protestors.
about talking to anti-vaxxers, and one of the big issues seems to be people would rather die an actual death than a social death.I think it does have merit. Quality of life is critical. why be alive if it sucks??
To me that's kind of a wild concept, but it seems to have merit.
A lot of people are failing to understand that other people have a different heirachy of values, so they come to different conclusions.
What is claimed to be a misunderstanding of science is really a matter of values.
They exist, but I think the effect is overstated. I am considered an "anti-vaxxer", but I can agree with "the science". there are many like me. I simply dont accept the risk appetite.
And that's why no one cares to "debate" with you. If you cannot accept facts, no discussion is possible.
But it's how the ignorant Left "debate".
To the Left, "science" is no different from "religion".
My media? I wasnt aware the WHO and CDC are media.
They are. They certainly aren't medical professional groups anymore.
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But it's how the ignorant Left "debate".
The point is that I find it funny you think we know much less about a
drug that has been on the market for decades but we know the safety of
a new vaccine that was pushed to market the same year it was developed
and its the first of its kind. Please dont tell me you "trust the
science" since you obviously dont see the point of doing proper
science.
To the Left, "science" is no different from "religion".
My media? I wasnt aware the WHO and CDC are media.
They are. They certainly aren't medical professional groups anymore.
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Re: Re: Booster
By: Boraxman to Trikester on
Tue Jan 11 2022 08:54 am
I fugure we will all get it. The risk is lowest when the vaccine has been
I do not consider "boosters" ad infinitum an acceptable risk.
"Risk"... Risk of what, exactly?
Are you aware that things like the polio vaccine in the 50's and 60's required boosters, too, right?
In that they're blaming antivaxxers, or just 'the people'? We're seeing some pushback here toward antivaxxers here, and talk (that I don't think will go anywhere) about mandatory vaccinations.It is a diversion from the failure of their ideology. Modern neoliberalism isnt designed to cope with history. It is a weak ideology. The West is in decline, evidenced by how crisis lead to a permanent weakening. The ruling elite are trying to survive when they really are obsolete. It is panic, and a fear that their world order is shown to be a failure. China was building beds while the West was still figuring out whether closing the borders is a good idea, or not.
Uh, not going to even touch this. I think you're down some unhealthy
roads here.
Maybe that's due to (and justified by) how things are in Aus at the moment, so I can't comment on them further.
it could have been balanced better. "The Economy" also means food on the table, medicine, ambulances, power, clothingm sanitation.
we are still facing difficulties with suplly due to economic disruption which is affecting suplly of our products.
That is what "the economy" is.
There was supply disruption, economic disruption is separate.
Our current economy has to change, there's no doubt about that, but how the money flows to the wealthy (our current economy) is meaningless in that regard. I don't have any sympathy for 'the 'conomy' as it is.
I know this could lead to many other examples of restrictions we already tolerate and that's certainly not my intention. I'm just saying that time will tell on this one.Hence why I supoort the protestors.
about talking to anti-vaxxers, and one of the big issues seems to be people would rather die an actual death than a social death.I think it does have merit. Quality of life is critical. why be alive if it sucks??
To me that's kind of a wild concept, but it seems to have merit.
People are such pansies in regards to anything disrupting their
miserable way of life as it currently is. The anti-vaxxers have made things worse, and drawn out your crappy western-world vision longer.
A lot of people are failing to understand that other people have a different heirachy of values, so they come to different conclusions.
What is claimed to be a misunderstanding of science is really a matter of values.
Where do you think the different values come from? Listen to an anti-vaxxer for awhile, it ain't "values". It's poorly argued reasoning from a stance of generally gross misinformation.
They exist, but I think the effect is overstated. I am considered an "anti-vaxxer", but I can agree with "the science". there are many like me. I simply dont accept the risk appetite.
What risk?
Was all that fuss about Freenode just about support for Trump? Is that the r rea
people were in a tizzy?
No, that was not the reason, but some people used the argument in an attempt t
prove the new owner meant bad news for the network and was dangerous.
I heard some drama, but can't remember what the issue was. Sometimes these Silicon
Valley types are just silly.
Re: Re: Booster
By: Arelor to Greenlfc on Mon Jan 10 2022 12:04 pm
Now seriously, what I have heard from doctors here is that the dosage upon which
Invermectine had a chance of being helpful (according to preliminary reports) is
very close to being a dangerous dose. Invermectine is dangerous if taken lightly
This was a while ago so I don't know if any new information has come up.
whats the mg of dosage they recommend? i actually took ivermectin before.
i tested it on myself before giving it to my rats.
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My media? I wasnt aware the WHO and CDC are media.
They are. They certainly aren't medical professional groups anymore.
LOL! Then who do you believe for medical science? Donald Trump? LOOOOOLLLL!!!
Now seriously, what I have heard from doctors here is that the dosage
upon which Invermectine had a chance of being helpful (according to
preliminary reports) is very close to being a dangerous dose.
Invermectine is dangerous if taken lightly.
This was a while ago so I don't know if any new information has come
up.
whats the mg of dosage they recommend? i actually took ivermectin before. i tested it on myself before giving it to my rats.
whats the mg of dosage they recommend? i actually took ivermectin before. i tested it on myself before giving it to my rats.
Do you mean which Invermectine dosage they are suggesting for COVID treatment? I dunno right now but I willtry and corner my boss and ask him today :-)
Did your rats have covid? and did they live?
Ivermectine is pretty safe in the human prescription, I think it's halarious that retards went to cattle feed stores and bought and took Ivermectine for cattle, I call that thining the heard.
"Risk"... Risk of what, exactly?Boosters every 4 months?
Are you aware that things like the polio vaccine in the 50's and 60's required boosters, too, right?
I nearly lost my mother due to complications (clots). My wife has developed an allergic response since then. I know
someone who has also beed adverse effects.
But to go on, you know my situation better. threaten my livelihood and claim to know better than me.
You make your decisions, I'll make mine. These vaccines are NEW, yet you speak as if we have decades of data.
we do NOT know long term effects. The data isn't there.
Our current economy has to change, there's no doubt about that, but how the money flows to the wealthy (ourThis comes from a position of privilege. Peopke cannot afford to have their businesses forced closed.
current economy) is meaningless in that regard. I don't have any sympathy for 'the 'conomy' as it is.
People are such pansies in regards to anything disrupting their miserable way of life as it currently is. The anti-vaxxers have made things worse, and drawn out your crappyOur leadership is at fault. We have none. Stop trying to pin it on average people. You are being conned and falling
western-world vision longer.
for their BS.
I have taken the vaccine. I am considered an anti vaxxer because I oppose segregation and mandates. I also (based on
medical advice) recomended my wife avoid a particular one, and I am not comfortable giving to to my young children
without more data.
To be perfectly honest, I just think the administrators and the new owner disagreed on something, so the administrators
kickstarted the wave to doom Freenode.
That said, the new owner has managed to make Freenode unusable for my purposes, so maybe the admins had a point.
Not that there shouldn't be concerns at all, but it just seems like if that occurred they weren't handling their "private" data too well in the first place.
Are you aware that things like the polio vaccine in the 50's and 60' required boosters, too, right?Boosters every 4 months?
Who knows. That would likely be short term if it were necessary every 4 mont Why panic about it, it's not that big of a deal presently.
The EMA has issued an statement, according to which excessive dousing may cause cumulativeWho knows. That would likely be short term if it were necessary every 4 mont Why panic about it,Are you aware that things like the polio vaccine in the 50's and 60' required boosters, too,Boosters every 4 months?
right?
it's
not that big of a deal presently.
immunodeficency.
no, this was before covid. i gave it to them as a preventative measure.
i followed the per pound dosage and they were fine.
Ivermectine is pretty safe in the human prescription, I think it's
halarious that retards went to cattle feed stores and bought and took
Ivermectine for cattle, I call that thining the heard.
it's the same shit.
halarious that retards went to cattle feed stores and bought and took
Ivermectine for cattle, I call that thining the heard.
it's the same shit.
It's the same drug different addatives and dosages.
I believe what I read and research myself. I don't allow any "expert" tell me to accept what they say as fact without evidence.
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Re: Re: Booster
By: Boraxman to Arelor on
Tue Jan 11 2022 08:16 am
To be perfectly honest, I just think the administrators and the new
owner disagreed on something, so the administrators kickstarted the
wave to doom Freenode.
That said, the new owner has managed to make Freenode unusable for my purposes, so maybe the admins had a point.
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Re: Re: Booster
By: Boraxman to Trikester on
Wed Jan 12 2022 12:23 pm
"Risk"... Risk of what, exactly?
Are you aware that things like the polio vaccine in the 50's and 60's
quired boosters, too, right?
Boosters every 4 months?
Who knows. That would likely be short term if it were necessary every 4 months. Why panic about it, it's not that big of a deal presently.
I nearly lost my mother due to complications (clots). My wife has developedclaim
an allergic response since then. I know
someone who has also beed adverse effects.
But to go on, you know my situation better. threaten my livelihood and
to know better than me.spe
You make your decisions, I'll make mine. These vaccines are NEW, yet you
ak as if we have decades of data.
we do NOT know long term effects. The data isn't there.
Please tell me you've spoken to a medical professional about these
issues? I'm sorry to hear that there have been some complications.
sympathOur current economy has to change, there's no doubt about that, but howthe money flows to the wealthy (our
current economy) is meaningless in that regard. I don't have any
y for 'the 'conomy' as it is.
This comes from a position of privilege. Peopke cannot afford to have their
businesses forced closed.
So what's your argument, 'conomy at all costs? Yes, I understand privilege, and I don't agree with all of our regional or federal
decisions on how things should be handled. Considering the late-stage capitalism mess we're in, they did a pretty good job of supporting
people through lockdowns.
You know what would be better if you're so concerned about people being
on their own? Abolish billionaires. Tax people appropriately. Give
people across on the lower end a leg up and stop celebrating excess.
Maybe fix our current bullshit systems so people can survive not being
a cog in the 'conomy for a couple of months.
thiPeople are such pansies in regards to anything disrupting their miserable way of life as it currently is. The anti-vaxxers have made
ngs worse, and drawn out your crappyp
western-world vision longer.Our leadership is at fault. We have none. Stop trying to pin it on average
eople. You are being conned and falling
for their BS.
You're off on a topic that isn't relating to what I said.
The pandemic isn't your leaders fault, it's a virus. Anti-vaxxers are disease spreaders, elongating the time to resolve this situation,
making it worse. Your leaders may be doing things to elongate the
timeline as well. One doesn't negate the other.
I have taken the vaccine. I am considered an anti vaxxer because I opposese
gregation and mandates. I also (based oncomfo
medical advice) recomended my wife avoid a particular one, and I am not
rtable giving to to my young children
without more data.
All the power to 'ya
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Re: Re: Booster
By: Trikester to Boraxman on
Wed Jan 12 2022 10:09 am
Are you aware that things like the polio vaccine in the 50's and 60' required boosters, too, right?Boosters every 4 months?
Who knows. That would likely be short term if it were necessary every 4 mont Why panic about it, it's not that big of a deal presently.
The EMA has issued an statement, according to which excessive dousing
may cause cumulative immunodeficency.
"[Boosters] can be done once, or maybe twice, but it's not something we can think should be repeated constantly" -- Marco Cavaleri, EMA.
Re: Re: Booster
By: Arelor to Trikester on Wed Jan 12 2022 03:42 pm
60' required boosters, too,Are you aware that things like the polio vaccine in the 50's a
The EMA has issued an statement, according to which excessive dousing may cause cumulative immunodeficency.Who knows. That would likely be short term if it were necessary every mont Why panic about it, it'sright?Boosters every 4 months?
not that big of a deal presently.
OK... good?
It's evolving day by day, so guess we'll see where things are at when anybod anywhere near the appropriate time frame for a possible 4th?
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Re: Re: Booster
By: Boraxman to Arelor on
Tue Jan 11 2022 08:16 am
To be perfectly honest, I just think the administrators and the new owner disagreed on something, so the administrators kickstarted the wave to doom Freenode.
That said, the new owner has managed to make Freenode unusable for my purposes, so maybe the admins had a point.
How did they make it unusable?
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Ivermectine is pretty safe in the human prescription, I think it's halarious that retards went to cattle feed stores and bought and took Ivermectine for cattle, I call that thining the heard.
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What research? Super right wing YouTube videows?? Hahahahaha!!
Got some links to back up your asinine claims?? I'm waiting.
Are these non medical websites run by people who aren't doctors? LOOOOOOLL!!
Sorry, I can't believe people who have done "research" when they can't back up their claims are going to websites that aren't run by doctors
and have been backed up by the overall medical community (peer reviews, etc.)
Ivermectin has already been proven to work in other countries.
Yes, we do know. But we have to look at other countries for that information because everything around COVID has been politicized here
in the U.S.
It's impossible to have clinincal trials when the gov't Elites override the medical professionals.
It's been put in to practise in some pretty big cases, and shown to not
be at all effective and withdrawn. Make of it what you will.
You may want to look up what a straw man argument is, as I don't
think it means what you think it does.
Blather.
Nobody's been able to show efficacy for Ivermectin against COVID.
The COVID vaccine rollouts are amongst the most successful in
history.
To the Left, "science" is no different from "religion".
They are. They certainly aren't medical professional groups anymore.
I'm starting to be concerned as I've had on Brother-In-Law die from bloodclots
in the lungs. Another Brother-In-Law survived the bloodclot in the lungs and now my Dad was rushed to the hospital with a bloodclot in the lungs. Just seems
strange.....
Got some links to back up your asinine claims?? I'm waiting.
Sorry, I can't believe people who have done "research" when they can't back up their claims are going to websites that aren't run by doctors and have been backed up by the overall medical community (peer reviews, etc.)
They made it unusable _for my purposes_ by banning known shell services (such as the one I use) because they don't want 400 users connecting from the same place or somesuch.
Some people has also complained because user auth is now mandatorily
to migrate Freenode to new infrasttructure, so instead of migrating their services to the new systems, they nuked the old ones and installed the new ones from scratch. That means registered users were deleted, channel ownership was voided, and a lot of people started complaining (and rightly so)
freenode drama.
Actually, no one used the horse Ivermectin on themselves. That was a compete fabrication by CNN.
halarious that retards went to cattle feed stores and bought and
took Ivermectine for cattle, I call that thining the heard.
it's the same shit.
It's the same drug different addatives and dosages.
i'm pretty sure if you do it per pound you get the correct results.
you have to factor in the percentage.
the one i had was 1.87%
no clue what it was for humans, dont care.it worked. and i took i to test it and i didnt get sick.
I believe what I read and research myself. I don't allow any "expert"
tell me to accept what they say as fact without evidence.
What research? Super right wing YouTube videows?? Hahahahaha!!
Got some links to back up your asinine claims?? I'm waiting.
Are these non medical websites run by people who aren't doctors? LOOOOOOLL!!
Sorry, I can't believe people who have done "research" when they can't back up their claims are going to websites that aren't run by doctors and have been backed up by the overall medical community (peer reviews, etc.)
Actually, no one used the horse Ivermectin on themselves. That was a compete
fabrication by CNN.
Ivermectine is pretty safe in the human prescription, I think it's
halarious that retards went to cattle feed stores and bought and
took Ivermectine for cattle, I call that thining the heard.
Actually, no one used the horse Ivermectin on themselves. That was a compete fabrication by CNN.
Got some links to back up your asinine claims?? I'm waiting.
^^
gee, where have i seen this before
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no clue what it was for humans, dont care.it worked. and i took i to test it and i didnt get sick.
My point is that people were taking horse, cattle doses, the human dosage is much less.
There actually were people buying the animal Ivermectine and trying self treatments, those were the dumb asses of society.
It was more than just CNN reporting it.
Re: Re: Booster
By: MRO to all on Thu Jan 13 2022 09:08 am
Got some links to back up your asinine claims?? I'm waiting.
^^
gee, where have i seen this before
Sounds like the same guy with a new name to me.
Got some links to back up your asinine claims? I don't think so. People li you can only quote the Narrative your leaders feed you. You are unable to think for yourself.
I have better things to do with my time than to do your leg work just so tha you can dismiss it. If you wish to be willfully ignorant, that's your probl
Not mine.
You have a computer and Internet right?
Some of the fact's come from the CDC website, you have the ability to look stuff up and try to prove or disprove claims same as anyone here.
I'm worried they will mandate it. That panic and desperation to maintain an image will guide policy.
Part of what drives decision making is politics. I do not want to be forced into a poor os sub optimal
decision because people are panicking about Omicron and the government is despreate to boost the
economy.
for our children, advice is mixed. From my risk management perspective (and I do this professionally),
I have to take into account unknown unknowns. I would feel more comfortable to see more long term
data.
We had PPE shipped offshore and our leaders did nothing. I havent forgotten this.
It's evolving day by day, so guess we'll see where things are at when anybod anywhere near theMy point is that it is not wise to assume we can keep increasing the number of boosters we get ad
appropriate time frame for a possible 4th?
infinitum.
Actually, no one used the horse Ivermectin on themselves. That was a compete fabrication by CNN.
When your only "argument" is to criticize and belittle, you gain no respect. Whether you believe me or
not is irrelevant since no one cares about what you "think".
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Actually, no one used the horse Ivermectin on themselves. That was a
fabrication by CNN.Even worse. they were upset Joe got better and didn't die. The people who want to tell you how to look after your health were upset that someones attempts to get over COVID worked.
It was worse than that. Anyone who was prescribed it, like Joe Rogen,
were mocked for taking "horse paste" because they saw some article unrelated. These screeching harpies on social media think no human is prescribed Ivermectin.
If they only knew how much we ship to third world countries so people
have access to it...smh
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So in other words, you haven't done any "research". Prove you've done this so-called research? Bueller? Bueller?
Re: Re: Booster
By: Denn to Diamond Dave on Thu Jan 13 2022 09:07 am
You have a computer and Internet right?
Some of the fact's come from the CDC website, you have the ability to look stuff up and try to prove or disprove claims same as anyone here.
LOL! You're as bad as Dr. Whatever.
Even worse. they were upset Joe got better and didn't die. The people who want to tell you how to look after your health were upset that someones attempts to get over COVID worked.
There actually were people buying the animal Ivermectine and trying
self treatments, those were the dumb asses of society.
It was more than just CNN reporting it.
they should do it under their doctor's supervision. regardless, it probably did nothing if they took it wrong.
it probably killed parasites they had.
Got some links to back up your asinine claims?? I'm waiting.
^^
gee, where have i seen this before
Sounds like the same guy with a new name to me.
no i mean the 'show me proof' shit.
diamond dave is a real person.
You have a computer and Internet right?
Some of the fact's come from the CDC website, you have the ability to
look stuff up and try to prove or disprove claims same as anyone here.
LOL! You're as bad as Dr. Whatever.
You have a computer and Internet right?
Some of the fact's come from the CDC website, you have the ability
to look stuff up and try to prove or disprove claims same as anyone
here.
LOL! You're as bad as Dr. Whatever.
oh yeah, heaven forbid he provide a source when you asked for one.
You're just here to act like an elitist.
you have the tools and a brain go look shit up.
Learn ! get out of your bubble and figure out whats true or false.
Get out of your Moms Basement.
Re: Re: Booster
By: Arelor to Trikester on Thu Jan 13 2022 06:59 am
It's evolving day by day, so guess we'll see where things are at when anybod anywhere near the appropriate time frame for a possible 4th?My point is that it is not wise to assume we can keep increasing the numb of boosters we get ad infinitum.
I don't really care at this point - if that were to be what's necessary, including them adding the COVID vax to the yearly flu vax, then I'm happy to follow along with it.
TheMemeWarrior wrote to DR. WHAT <=-
Ivermectin has already been proven to work in other countries.
The problem is with anecdotal evidence is we do not know if there were
TheMemeWarrior wrote to DR. WHAT <=-
To the Left, "science" is no different from "religion".
Even then they cherry-pick science to validate their views.
They're less so than CNN or FoxNews but you are correct. WHO would not even acknowledge human to human transmission until it was already a pandemic despite having the data. They're also a pawn of china and were doing damage control at the start of the pandemic.
Diamond Dave wrote to Dr. What <=-
So in other words, you haven't done any "research". Prove you've done
this so-called research? Bueller? Bueller?
Then nobody will believe you. I certainly don't!
Arelor wrote to Trikester <=-
My point is that it is not wise to assume we can keep increasing the number of boosters we get ad infinitum.
Even worse. they were upset Joe got better and didn't die. The people
who want to tell you how to look after your health were upset that
someones attempts to get over COVID worked.
You've made the leap to "anecdotal" by making assumptions. It's not anecdotal in other countries.
I don't really care at this point - if that were to be what's necessary, including them adding the COVID vax to theI think I don't understand you. You want to mean that you don't care if boosters are done with intervals smaller than
yearly flu vax, then I'm happy to follow along with it.
those deemed troublesome by health authorities, if it is what is necessary? (Necessary for what?)
diamond dave is a real person.
Isn't he the dude from Diamond Mine BBS?
number of boosters we get ad infinitum.
We are already starting to see evidence that the not-vaccines actually make future infections WORSE.
And we already know that the mRNA stuff isn't a vaccine since you can still get and spread COVID after getting the jab.
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Re: Re: Booster
By: Boraxman to Trikester on
Thu Jan 13 2022 04:56 pm
I'm worried they will mandate it. That panic and desperation to maintain an
image will guide policy.
Part of what drives decision making is politics. I do not want to be forced
into a poor os sub optimal
decision because people are panicking about Omicron and the government is
preate to boost the
economy.
Here's hoping that mandates at this point are minimal. I don't mind our
usage of the vaccine 'passport' bit for getting in to various public places. The closest thing we have here mandate-wise is a proposed
anti-vax tax in Quebec. It'll be interesting to see how that one plays out.
I think the reason I don't mind it is that if it puts money back in to our/their already-in-crisis-pre-covid healthcare system, that's not a
bad thing.
for our children, advice is mixed. From my risk management perspective (and
I do this professionally),
I have to take into account unknown unknowns. I would feel more comfortable
to see more long term
data.
What will it take? If mRNA vaccines have been studied for years, and notable side effects presenting after a couple of months are nearly non-existent, then, is it just you need a few more years, or specific consensus on the long-term risk?
We had PPE shipped offshore and our leaders did nothing. I havent forgotten
this.
That sounds pretty stupid - I presume that was at a point where it was already known it was necessary at home?
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Re: Re: Booster
By: Boraxman to TheMemeWarrior on Fri Jan 14 2022 02:06 pm
Even worse. they were upset Joe got better and didn't die.
want to tell you how to look after your health were upset that someones attempts to get over COVID worked.
that was hillarius how cnn colored his photo gray to make him look
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Even worse. they were upset Joe got better and didn't die. The people
someones attempts to get over COVID worked.
The people who wants everyone to have access to affordable healthcare
say healthcare should be denied to unvaccinated people. Let that sink in...
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You're just here to act like an elitist.
you have the tools and a brain go look shit up.
LOL! You think you're funny, but you're not.
You have no credibility just like Dr. Whatever because you haven't done jack shit with your "research". LOL!
Ivermectin has already been proven to work in other countries.
The problem is with anecdotal evidence is we do not know if there
were
You've made the leap to "anecdotal" by making assumptions. It's not anecdotal in other countries.
So in other words, you haven't done any "research". Prove you've
done this so-called research? Bueller? Bueller?
Your words... er... delusion.
Re: Re: Booster
diamond dave is a real person.
Isn't he the dude from Diamond Mine BBS?
yeah he's the sysop and he has the bbs guide.
That's not what's being prescribed, at least not in my neck of the woods. There's not really anything to discuss in this regard. We're not there yet.
Have you been prescribed boosters at a rate above what has been deemed usefu
You have no credibility just like Dr. Whatever because you haven't done jack shit with your "research". LOL!
I have and do look stuff up, unlike yourself just a puppet for the left.
You really need to get over yourself. I don't care if you believe me.
i took a covid test and it's negative. so i wonder if my body was fighting off
ovid OR, did i just get something new that is like covid. also i probably took
he test too soon so i'm taking my sunday test. right now i feel fine one day ter.
It has been work here in the USA, Joe Rogan is an example.
Nice try trikester.
Re: Re: Booster
By: Dr. What to Diamond Dave on Fri Jan 14 2022 08:33 am
So in other words, you haven't done any "research". Prove you've
done this so-called research? Bueller? Bueller?
Your words... er... delusion.
He's probably the same old Idiot New name that I've twitlisted 4 or 5 times already, same pattern berate, belittle, call everyone a liar etc...
Just twitlist him like I'm going to do right now.
If he's not smart enough to have a civil discussion then let him talk to himself.
Nice try trikester.
You have no credibility just like Dr. Whatever because you haven't done jack shit with your "research". LOL!
I have and do look stuff up, unlike yourself just a puppet for the left.
You are incorrect. I'm actually conservative. But I'm also an engineer so I do have a brain, unlike you and Dr. Whatever.
i took a covid test and it's negative. so i wonder if my body was fighting off
ovid OR, did i just get something new that is like covid. also i probably took
he test too soon so i'm taking my sunday test. right now i feel fine one day ter.
Hope it is not COVID again. :( There is something going around here that apparently is not COVID because people test negative for it. They run a fever above 100F, usually for more than one day. The other symptoms are mostly gastro-intestinal (like some of the early COVID strains were) and fatigue.
One guy I work with (remote, thank goodness!) tested negative and thinks it is food poisoning. He has been sick for at least 4 days now, though.
IYou are incorrect. I'm actually conservative. But I'm also an engineer so
do have a brain, unlike you and Dr. Whatever.
i doubt you're an engineer. you can't even setup wordpress and you always had other people setup your websites for you.
And, yes, I am vaccinated. I just believe it is not my place to makeI got hired as a temp worker at a hospital because they know their
yours or anyone elses medical decisions due to mass hysteria. Look at Omicron, the media is trying to scare you by telling you its way more contagious but then leave out that it is a lot more milder and lung
tissue infection is much lower than the original strain.
I
do have a brain, unlike you and Dr. Whatever.
i doubt you're an engineer. you can't even setup wordpress and you always had other people setup your websites for you.
Engineers and computer programmers are different. But of course you're too dumb to realize that. Otherwise you wouldn't have posted that.
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Re: Re: Booster
By: Dr. What to TheMemeWarrior
on Fri Jan 14 2022 08:29 am
Ivermectin has already been proven to work in other countries.
The problem is with anecdotal evidence is we do not know if there
were
You've made the leap to "anecdotal" by making assumptions. It's not anecdotal in other countries.
It has been work here in the USA, Joe Rogan is an example.
You have no credibility just like Dr. Whatever because you haven't
done jack shit with your "research". LOL!
I have and do look stuff up, unlike yourself just a puppet for the
left.
You are incorrect. I'm actually conservative. But I'm also an engineer so I do have a brain, unlike you and Dr. Whatever.
Then nobody will believe you. I certainly don't!
You really need to get over yourself. I don't care if you believe me.
Nope. I don't believe you. You have no credibility. Same with that other guy who thinks he's hot shit.
HAHAHAHAA, an engineer.
So are you a Janatorial Engineer? that must be it.
See that's why I think you're a leftist, you use the same tactics like acting as though you're smarter than everyone else, the belittling and berating instead of debating.
If you think that makes you look smart think again.
So in other words, you haven't done any "research". Prove you've
done this so-called research? Bueller? Bueller?
Your words... er... delusion.
He's probably the same old Idiot New name that I've twitlisted 4 or 5
times already, same pattern berate, belittle, call everyone a liar
etc... Just twitlist him like I'm going to do right now.
If he's not smart enough to have a civil discussion then let him talk
to himself.
Nice try trikester.
no that's really diamond dave. and that george account is dave at work. yes, an old man went through the trouble of connecting to vert from work, making another account just to call me an asshole.
no that's really diamond dave. and that george account is dave at work. yes, an old man went through the trouble of connecting to vert from work, making another account just to call me an asshole.
Well, he's pretty full of himself, and if he did that he's pretty petty.
TheMemeWarrior wrote to BORAXMAN <=-
The people who wants everyone to have access to affordable healthcare
say healthcare should be denied to unvaccinated people. Let that sink in...
Diamond Dave wrote to Denn <=-
You are incorrect. I'm actually conservative. But I'm also an engineer
so I do have a brain, unlike you and Dr. Whatever.
Dumas Walker wrote to MRO <=-
Hope it is not COVID again. :( There is something going around here
that apparently is not COVID because people test negative for it. They run a fever above 100F, usually for more than one day. The other
symptoms are mostly gastro-intestinal (like some of the early COVID strains were) and fatigue.
HAHAHAHAA, an engineer.
So are you a Janatorial Engineer? that must be it.
See that's why I think you're a leftist, you use the same tactics like
acting as though you're smarter than everyone else, the belittling and
berating instead of debating.
If you think that makes you look smart think again.
dave is so stupid he couldnt pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were written on the bottom.
there's this 'not covid' going on at work and a lady that trained me had it. els like covid.
i had the shits and my hips and back were aching so bad i couldnt sleep. i eve
had a heating pad under me until i burnt my back.
there's this 'not covid' going on at work and a lady that trained me had it. els like covid.
i had the shits and my hips and back were aching so bad i couldnt sleep. i eve
had a heating pad under me until i burnt my back.
From what I have heard, it sounds almost worse that COVID.
there's this 'not covid' going on at work and a lady that trained me had it. els like covid.
i had the shits and my hips and back were aching so bad i couldnt sleep. eve
had a heating pad under me until i burnt my back.
From what I have heard, it sounds almost worse that COVID.
i think people get better quicker.
i think people get better quicker.
That would be good. Someone who works in the building next door to mine supposedly lost ~18 lbs in a couple of days with it.
Speculation:
What we are seeing is simply our bodies reacting to the normal colds and flus that are out at this time of year and, because our immune systems haven't been
exercised as much over the last 2 years, our bodies have to work harder to fight them off.
i think people get better quicker.
That would be good. Someone who works in the building next door to mine supposedly lost ~18 lbs in a couple of days with it.
i think people get better quicker.
That would be good. Someone who works in the building next door to mine supposedly lost ~18 lbs in a couple of days with it.
you mean with this flu thing going around? that's probably water weight.
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