WIndows 10 for Arm64 is capable of running x86 code (32bit only), as written in other post, check MS's surface built on ARM. Works really smoothly I can ensure you.

Is that the Surface that ran Windows RT you're referring to? I always thought that was an interesting idea.

No, this is Surface Pro that runs regular WIndows 10.
It runs ARM64 programs natively, x86 in emulated mode and from November this year Microsoft updates the system to run x64 in emulation mode as well.

Won't be a solution for gaming, but perfect candidate to switch from intel in regual office-related workflows I think.

I have two at company as a test drive, definitively will have more in future if x64 code will run as efficiently as expected.

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Re: Microsoft Surface - ARM
By: hollowone to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Oct 03 2020 08:13 pm

Is that the Surface that ran Windows RT you're referring to? I
always thought that was an interesting idea.

Jumping late on this reply but I can tell you first hand, these things were garbage.

We bought the Surface 2 RT for my daughter when she was in middle school. It has Windows 8 RT - and you can't upgrade it, Office RT - and it's a limited version, and specific ARM compiled apps from the Windows store - not a lot of those.

Beyond that, you have effectively 0 options for loading anything else. I know there were some attempts to get Linux running on it but last I checked there wasn't enough call for it because beyond the processor the specs on the machine were mediocre at best.

We tried setting it up as an e-Reader and even that was a disappointment as it weighed more and ran slower than a cheap Kindle device.

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Re: Microsoft Surface - ARM
By: Hatton to hollowone on Sun Oct 04 2020 03:31 am

Is that the Surface that ran Windows RT you're referring to? I

Jumping late on this reply but I can tell you first hand, these things were garbage.

We bought the Surface 2 RT for my daughter when she was in middle school. It has Windows 8 RT - and you can't upgrade it, Office RT - and it's a limited version, and specific ARM compiled apps from the Windows store - not a lot o

I agree. I purchased a netbook with RT. It was junk. I could not find any software for it.


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Jumping late on this reply but I can tell you first hand, these things were garbage.

Yes, Windows RT and Surface with Windows RT is shit.
Idea was great but as everything associated with Windows 8, it just failed to deliver.

But I'm not talking about RT, full blown Windows 10 on ARM architecture and Surface devices that support it is what I refer to.

This is more similar to the topic of Apple preparing itself to transition from x86 architecture to ARM, Microsoft seems to be doing the same.

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Re: Microsoft Surface - ARM
By: hollowone to Hatton on Mon Oct 05 2020 12:00 pm

Jumping late on this reply but I can tell you first hand, these things were garbage.

Yes, Windows RT and Surface with Windows RT is shit.
Idea was great but as everything associated with Windows 8, it just failed t deliver.

But I'm not talking about RT, full blown Windows 10 on ARM architecture and Surface devices that support it is what I refer to.

This is more similar to the topic of Apple preparing itself to transition fr x86 architecture to ARM, Microsoft seems to be doing the same.

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The problem with this comparison? Apple has been great at transitions for the most - PowerPC to Intel, etc. While Microsoft has tripped itself everytime. Just look at the new Surface X running Windows on ARM - run anything more
than a basic win32 app and it freaks out. On the other hand, I'm curious to
see how well Apple's emulation layer works. Not a huge change for me as I'm using a desktop and I expect the major change to be energy consumption.
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Re: Microsoft Surface - ARM
By: Marcham to hollowone on Mon Oct 05 2020 10:43 pm

Re: Microsoft Surface - ARM
By: hollowone to Hatton on Mon Oct 05 2020 12:00 pm

Jumping late on this reply but I can tell you first hand, these thin were garbage.

Yes, Windows RT and Surface with Windows RT is shit.
Idea was great but as everything associated with Windows 8, it just faile deliver.

But I'm not talking about RT, full blown Windows 10 on ARM architecture a Surface devices that support it is what I refer to.

This is more similar to the topic of Apple preparing itself to transition x86 architecture to ARM, Microsoft seems to be doing the same.

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The problem with this comparison? Apple has been great at transitions for th most - PowerPC to Intel, etc. While Microsoft has tripped itself everytime. Just look at the new Surface X running Windows on ARM - run anything more than a basic win32 app and it freaks out. On the other hand, I'm curious to see how well Apple's emulation layer works. Not a huge change for me as I'm using a desktop and I expect the major change to be energy consumption.
- Sent from an IBM ThinkPad

Apple also has a tighter control on hardware, which allows for better driver optimization and better performance.

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The problem with this comparison? Apple has been great at transitions
for the most - PowerPC to Intel, etc. While Microsoft has tripped
itself everytime. Just look at the new Surface X running Windows on ARM
- run anything more than a basic win32 app and it freaks out. On the
other hand, I'm curious to see how well Apple's emulation layer works.
Not a huge change for me as I'm using a desktop and I expect the major change to be energy consumption. - Sent from an IBM ThinkPad

I look at it differently. Microsoft is super consistent at where it's good and where it's not.
And when Microsoft becomes good at something then it stays like that with some moderate issues, but nothing that you'd consider that learning is forgotten.

While with Apple I find it irritating that either they are extremely great and brilliant how to convert some ideas into reality.
Then they totally suck with quality for a period of time.. or a vision. all depending on a leader.

And all the leaders who created Apple the way Apple is perceived as the innovator and successful company are gone (this way or another).
And ever since every new Apple purchase I make as a consumer makes me less convienient I should stay with them and pay much more for the same thing I can get less branded.. but with technical quality in place.

What Microsoft actually does very well is technical platforms.. they just are not as good as Apple with consumer product end-to-end when we consider physical items.

The only exception (kind of If you forget RROD) is Xbox and more or less I consider adding Surface to the loop to be honest.
I'll more consider buying Surface as my next desktop computer than Apple for sure considering dissapointments described above.

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Apple also has a tighter control on hardware, which allows for better driver optimization and better performance.

If only Apple had quality control that they used to have and stopped the speed their hardware is infating the value proposition that just don't match the price.

But yes, I keep promising myself that this is the last Apple purchase I'm doing and I keep saying so.. fortunately I can say I haven't purchased anything Apple from my personal pocket since 2015 so I don't want to complain that much. I'm only happy with the iPad Pro, perfect to read color magazines and art-heavy books. but quite pricy stuff for just this function so I'm glad it was given to me as I'd not spend my money on it either way.

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