alexander koryagin wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
The main task of the invasion -- to stop Donbass shelling
Russian troops are not able to do even now, for a while.
As for a puppet government -- I can easily say that the present
Ukrainian government is a puppet government of the EU, for instance,
or the US.
How do we define which government is a puppet one? If a country wants
to keep strong relations with another strong country it becomes a
puppet?
Russians in Ukraine will say themselves who are they want to be free
of.
When they will be free of nationalists threats. But I am afraid
Kiev will be dissatisfied and have a pity for itself that it didn't
follow Minsk agreements.
You look into a distorting mirror of news. For instance, when there is Russia takes thousands of prisoners in Ukraine you believe the Kiev
news that they are evacuated into Russia. ;=)
I said to you that such an invasion cannot be without a very serious reason. You prefer don't see it, and it your mistake.
After American carnages around the world, where it killed millions of people, Russia in Ukraine is just an innocent girl. ;-) Look in the
right mirror in short.
I assure you that many idiots are guilty in the current situation, and
one one them a fucking actor-clown who cannot tell a movie from
reality.
Well, indeed, the strategy of the tiger to gobble up a goat in one piece
has failed. I believe the next one it will be to gnaw its rump. ;)
Of course there are no nazi's in Ukraine. That was all just
propaganda for the citizens of Russia to support with the invasion,
or "special military operation" as some like to call it.
Uhu, look at the tatu of captured mariupol angels: https://newsofrussia.ru/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/azvostal.jpg
Russian troops are not able to do even now, for a while.Of course not. There is nothing in Ukraine for Russia.
There is Russian people in Ukraine. ;-)
The people of Ukraine elected Zelensky. That was their choice. Did
the people of Russia elect Putin? I don't think so.
Elections in nowadays is a very funny process, even in America. ;-)
But suppose a situation when some fucking Nazi approach to you and shout "Glory Ukraine" and you must shout "Glory to Heroes" the only way to
keep yourself safe.
Russians in Ukraine will say themselves who are they want to be
free of.
There is a fairly basic flaw in your statement. Do you see it?
I don't see it. If Arabs in Palestine hate Israel occupants the world
see it perfectly well. So we see the true position of the Russian people
in Ukraine soon too, especially in southern and eastern Ukraine.
As you see it from your American divan. ;-)
But it is not a Russia aim to "destroy homes, families and lives". There
is no logic and any sense in that. Ukraine had all means to solve the problems without fighting with Russia.
But I repeat that Ukrainian nationalists hated Russia so much that any
concessions from them had been impossible for 8 years. And now they are >impossible while an clown-actor stays as a president, who plays it as
in a movie.
What do you think Russian troops would have done to Ukrainian people if
they allowed Russian troops enter freely? Fighting with Russia was a
crazy idea for Zelensky and irreconcilable nationalists and a big part
of the calamity lay on them. Who is guilty more -- people will say it later.
You blame Zelensky, a man who was just elected in 2019 but as you
told me yourself Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and has been
supporting the suparatists in the east since then bankrolling
salaries to local officials and the separatist military forces.
No wonder -- Ukraine had blockaded Donbass completely and Russia was
forced to pay money to all the people living on the blockaded territory,
not allowing them to die of hunger etc.
You (and many people in the West) call a puppet government any
government friendly to Russia. ;-) It is wrong of course. And in Russia
many also stick such labels to the US satellites.
Why should the Ukrainian people allow Russian troops enter freely?
Would Russia allow Ukrainian troops to enter freely?
Ukrainian President could chose two way to treat Russia - diplomacy or a
war. As an idiot he chose a war and a great damage to his country.
Ukraine has already lost much more than it would lose in the peaceful
variant of resistance.
Well, how to explain it to you -- suppose you
meet a bad strong company who demands money from you. And you should
weigh carefully your broken bones and medical bills against some money
you give away. ;=))
Do you actually believe these things you say? ;)
What is wrong? The fact that Ukraine has blockaded Donbass for 8 years?
A puppet government is not hard to describe. It is a government put
in place of an existing government by force. That is what Russia
has tried to do in Ukraine. They have done that on a smaller scale
in some regions of Ukraine.
Well, to say the truth, it is a common worldwide practice. The US has
done it all the the time when it wants to have a friendly government in
some country. It was in Haiti, Panama, Honduras, Nicaragua etc, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Libya. Military juntas installed by the US is a common thing in the South America, remember Chile for instance. So it is
not the US who has a moral right to teach others in this respect.
What is this peaceful variant of resistance you speak of?
Well it easy -- western economic sanctions are a 20 times more effective weapon than the resistance of the Ukrainian good-for-nothing troops dug
down in civil areas and towns
-- the main cause of numeral deaths of
civilians in Ukraine. Also these bastards prohibit civilians to leave
the towns under an attack. It is a well known fact. Russian people in
such towns are used as a living shield of the Ukrainian army.
I see. Ukraine should have given Russia it's money so Russia
wouldn't break their bones?
Not money, but concessions -- it just should to stop its nationalistic
policy towards the Russian-speaking population in Ukraine, to give an autonomy to Russian-speaking regions. It was realistic.
The Donbass is Ukrainian territory. How do you imagine that Ukraine
blockaded it?
By tanks and military of course.
Well, the main task for the West now is to carry out the Ukrainian grain
out of the country.
The declared aim is to feed the world population.
Russia is also participate in the process --
it doesn't confiscate the grain for itself.
There are many grain in Ukraine on the Russian held
territory and it is logically to say that only Russian ships can deliver
it out.
Even a word in mass-media is a weapon. Russia has got under sanctions
because it lost an information war. And many have believed that Russia
is guilty in everything, however there are many of those who must share
the blame, whose policy has been not less reckless than Putin's.
Just tell me - who resists civilians to leave a Ukrainian town under
siege? Russian troops?
So we are back at concessions again? What concessions do you
imagine Ukraine should offer to you, so that you don't break their
bones?
If a person is an idiot, deaf and hate you -- you can speak to him even
for 8 years without result. So it was with Ukrainian politicians.
It blockaded the living people who were against the Kiev 2014 coup. And
such a reaction was predictable. Yanukovich had been an elected
President, it meant that more than a half of Ukraine (without Crimea) supported him.
Nothing has been declared. The Russian blockade of Ukraine's
exports creates a world food shortage, among other things.
It is a poor propaganda that Russian navy doesn't allow Ukrainian or
other ships to carry grain from Ukraine. There is no sense in that, more
of that -- all Ukrainian ports are mined by Ukraine itself.
Yes, Russia participated in the theft of this grain from Ukraine.
Russia is the largest producer of grain in the world. If it wanted
to help any country it could ship it's grain to them itself.
Yes, it can provide the world with its own grain. I think the scale of
so called theft should be checked
after Russia had built the Crimean
bridge and the highway from Kerch to Sevastopol it can be logical to
carry the grain from Russia's Kuban region to Sevastopol port by land.
So the grain shown in that CNN report could be Russian.
Tell me (and to all who read it) what is the sense for Russian troops to block the Russian civilians to leave the city? You make make me laugh.
ROFL to be more exact.
The Ukrainian politicians are nationalists and they
have discriminated a big part of the Ukrainian population. They want to
make Ukrainians from Russians, by force. This item is enough to
hate them for Russian people.
Russians steal vast amounts of Ukrainian grain and equipment,
threatening this year's harvest.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/05/europe/russia-ukraine-grain-theft-cmd-intl/inde >> . html or..
https://tinyurl.com/4fdf479p
You are wrong -- as "liberators of Russian population" in
eastern and southern Ukraine Russia cannot confiscate the harvest.
The Local population now officially sell it and gets money. So the
following URL news is not a fake.
https://ria.ru/20220530/zerno-1791654673.html
It is very likely it is the source of the grain from the CNN report.
People need money and naturally they sell their goods. Why not?
You compare Russian invasion with the invasion of Germany in 1941 and it is your main mistake.
Western part of Ukraine is a nationalist hive and has always been, even
in the USSR.
So the most sober policy is to free the south and east of Ukraine where population is still pro-Russian, even after the havoc of the war.
It's easy - people (peasants for instance) should live -- they sell
their goods to have money and buy other goods.
The idea that they should lie on ground and die is wrong.
There is no a single motive for Russia to stole wheat.
Why? Russia can buy it.
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