Just wanted to drop a note somewhere and say that the next month or two is going to be really busy for me so I might not be as responsive as usual.

I'll try to keep up as I can though.

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--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/07/31 (Windows/64)
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Hello g00r00!

On 03 Aug 2021, g00r00 said the following...

Just wanted to drop a note somewhere and say that the next month or two
is going to be really busy for me so I might not be as responsive as usual.

No problem -- and thank you for all the quick responses lately!

Also, thanks for all the hard work you put into Mystic, take care, and see you around!

Best regards
Bj”rn
--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/07/31 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Star Collision BBS, Uppsala, Sweden (2:201/137)

On 03 Aug 21 22:42:29, G00R00 said the following to All:

Just wanted to drop a note somewhere and say that the next month or two is going to be really busy for me so I might not be as responsive as usual.

No worries... More cowbell can wait. For now.

Nick
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On 03 Aug 2021, g00r00 said the following...

Just wanted to drop a note somewhere and say that the next month or two
is going to be really busy for me so I might not be as responsive as usual.

I'll try to keep up as I can though.

No problems dude, I just wanted to let you know that I sent you some information about the strange gaps in the echomails being sent by some mystic bbses.

Have a look at your discord and see if any of that helps you create a fix or at least helps you narrow in on the issue.

Cheers for your support as always!
--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/12/04 (Linux/64)
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No problems dude, I just wanted to let you know that I sent you some information about the strange gaps in the echomails being sent by some mysticbbses.

Have a look at your discord and see if any of that helps you create a
fix or atleast helps you narrow in on the issue.

I also sent it to mysticbbs@gmail.com just in case you don't have access to your discord as easily as the email, or vice versa.
--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/12/04 (Linux/64)
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On 05 Aug 2021, Christian Sacks said the following...

No problems dude, I just wanted to let you know that I sent you some information about the strange gaps in the echomails being sent by som mysticbbses.

Have a look at your discord and see if any of that helps you create a fix or atleast helps you narrow in on the issue.

I also sent it to mysticbbs@gmail.com just in case you don't have access toyour discord as easily as the email, or vice versa.

I have just figured out how to fix the messages with 6 blank lines in the text. It's more a work around, but it works seemingly 100%

The issue is caused by the word wrapping in Mystic leaving a line with 79 chars plus 1 white space, so the 81st char is the new line. To stop this happening, in your `/path/to/mystic/themes/default/text/msg_editor.ini` make the following changes;

Line 51 (on mine at least) has this;
Coord2 = 79,22,0

Change it to read;
Coord2 = 78,22,0

The next change is on line #92 (for me), by default has this;
str5 = |16|08|$D32- END OF MESSAGE |$D31-

Change it to read;
str5 = |16|08|$D32- END OF MESSAGE |$D30-

Then all your problems will be solved going forward. It won't fix already sent/received messages, but will stop YOU from creating them in the future. If everyone can do this, it will help solve the issue.

You're welcome :)
--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/12/04 (Linux/64)
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I have just figured out how to fix the messages with 6 blank lines in
the text. It's more a work around, but it works seemingly 100%

The issue is caused by the word wrapping in Mystic leaving a line with
79 chars plus 1 white space, so the 81st char is the new line. To stop this happening

Can you give instructions on how to recreate this 6 blank lines thing? I use the same editor and I am not seeing this or any other messages that seem to have those types of issues.

Are you using the latest version when you test this? It looks like you're using something approaching a year old and a very early alpha in terms of the new editor. You might be making things worse by changing stuff around like you're saying.

Its important to be testing and reporting bugs based on the newest version.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/12/04 (Linux/64)

... A Meteor is an example of a rock star.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/07/31 (Windows/64)
* Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)

On 05 Aug 2021, g00r00 said the following...

I have just figured out how to fix the messages with 6 blank lines in the text. It's more a work around, but it works seemingly 100%

The issue is caused by the word wrapping in Mystic leaving a line wit 79 chars plus 1 white space, so the 81st char is the new line. To sto this happening

Can you give instructions on how to recreate this 6 blank lines thing? I use the same editor and I am not seeing this or any other messages that seem to have those types of issues.

Are you using the latest version when you test this? It looks like
you're using something approaching a year old and a very early alpha in terms of the new editor. You might be making things worse by changing stuff around like you're saying.

Its important to be testing and reporting bugs based on the newest version.

I hear what you're saying, but it's not just me that is seeing the issue, other people with the latest version also see it, in fact, the version I am on doesn't actually create the issue, it is a later A47 prealpha that does. I am reluctant to move up to a newer one as all the newer ones have issues of some kind, the one I am on seems to be issue free.

The one that was tested was dated the end of july if that helps, I can't give you the specific date as I don't run it, it was tested by another sysop.

Anyway, I cannot reproduce it, I just notice the messages when they appear. I have sent you screen shots to your gmail and discord so feel free to look at those to know what I am talking about.

I hope that you are able to see them, and figure out why it's doing it. I can see that it's message line length when the wrapping makes a wrapped line 79 chars long, that's when it causes the issue. 79 chars long, plus the white space at 80, means the new line char is at 81 and that's when it causes the 6 blank lines, when the editor is used on a 132x37 system, it creates 2 full pages of blank lines. You can see this if you visit the underground bbs.
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I hear what you're saying, but it's not just me that is seeing the
issue, other people with the latest version also see it, in fact, the

Can you provide an example of a message posted like this? Again I have not seen a message that has this problem posted in this echo or anywhere else with a bunch of blank lines in it.

I don't see anyone else bringing this up, and I post maybe 10-20 message a day or so in the default message editor template without ever seeing this happen!

Is this a problem that happens in the editor itself? Is it a problem that happens when the message is exported? Are these people using the default editor template or have they modified it? I'm not really clear on any of this at this point, so more information is needed!

prealpha that does. I am reluctant to move up to a newer one as all the newer ones have issues of some kind, the one I am on seems to be issue free.

Can you tell me what issues the latest version has?

Anyway, I cannot reproduce it, I just notice the messages when they appear. I have sent you screen shots to your gmail and discord so feel free to look at those to know what I am talking about.

I don't use Discord or other social media sites so use the places mentioned on the support tab at mysticbbs.com. Here and e-mail will do the trick! :)

I do see screenshots from VIM that you e-mailed me but its not clear to me what you're showing. Its a screen capture of VIM with text in it. Are you editing a .JDT file directly with VIM in that screen capture or is that an echomail PKT or something?

I hope that you are able to see them, and figure out why it's doing it.

No I don't see them and haven't had anyone else mention it, that is why I am asking these questions. :) If we can reproduce a problem I can fix it though!

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--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/07/31 (Windows/64)
* Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)

Hello g00r00 (& Christian)!

On 05 Aug 2021, g00r00 said the following...

The issue is caused by the word wrapping in Mystic leaving a line wit 79 chars plus 1 white space, so the 81st char is the new line. To sto this happening

Can you give instructions on how to recreate this 6 blank lines thing? I use the same editor and I am not seeing this or any other messages that seem to have those types of issues.

I, too, noticed some messages having 6-7 or sometimes even more empty lines a little at random, when reading them. Only seen it lately.

Please feel free to Telnet to scbbs.nsupdate.info:50023, SSH to scbbs.nsupdate.info:50022 or use the web-based Telnet at scbbs.nsupdate.info, login as guest/guest; from the (M)essage menu, (J)oin FidoNet (3) and change to MYSTIC (40). Then (R)ead and check messages 668-669, 671-672, 674-675, 680, 685, 689-692, among others.

Not sure if this is caused by something that is "on the edge" at the posting system, if something gets mangled "on the way" or when importing, or if it is purely a display issue.

But I noticed it does appear in an e(X)ported file of the message from within the BBS, too (please feel free to try this as well).

Also appears in ASCII. :o)

Best regards
Bj”rn

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/08/08 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Star Collision BBS, Uppsala, Sweden (2:201/137)

Please feel free to Telnet to scbbs.nsupdate.info:50023, SSH to scbbs.nsupdate.info:50022 or use the web-based Telnet at scbbs.nsupdate.info, login as guest/guest; from the (M)essage menu,
(J)oin FidoNet (3) and change to MYSTIC (40). Then (R)ead and check messages 668-669, 671-672, 674-675, 680, 685, 689-692, among others.

I am wondering if its something specific to Linux. The thing is I have those same messages here, and I don't see anything.

If you can give me a message subject/MSGID of a message then I can compare to what I received here in the MYSTIC echo but I've never seen a message like that at all. I wonder if it could also be template/display related.

It'd be easier than me logging in but I can do that too it just might take a while... I struggle to even get through my messages each day and make these fixes or changes, so time is limited.

... One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/08/07 (Windows/64)
* Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)

Hello g00r00!

Thank you for your reply!

On 08 Aug 2021, g00r00 said the following...

(J)oin FidoNet (3) and change to MYSTIC (40). Then (R)ead and check messages 668-669, 671-672, 674-675, 680, 685, 689-692, among others.

If you can give me a message subject/MSGID of a message then I can
compare to what I received here in the MYSTIC echo but I've never seen a message like that at all.

Sure! Here you go:

1:129/215 e6453490
1:129/215 7e5efff5
2:201/137 0f6160bd
1:129/215 a17f277b
2:201/137 d52e186b
2:201/137 610f81cf
2:201/137 21f17323
1:129/215 564000ea
1:129/215 0f9d5e92
<4144cba6-d337-4dfc-8c7e-8b99601e7654n@googlegroups.com> d0932c97 <f3f2ee72-289e-436f-91e8-231f3f8d9863n@googlegroups.com> e47b2d8e
1:129/215 09b31dea

But it seems to affect many of the messages I have, all the way back from when I re-joined FidoNet (including the rescans I acquired back then).

The oldest one I have is:

1:129/215 21e666af

...from you, dated Nov 06, 2020.

message like that at all. I wonder if it could also be template/display related.

But would that also affect the export? That is, is the template for viewing used also for the export? (Not sure of the inner workings here.)

I have double-checked my theme and it inherits (= in practice, uses) both ansimrd.ans, ansieditor.ans and msg_editor.ini of the "default" theme. The only files related to messages that I override in my theme is msg_index.ans, msg_index_help.ans, msg_index.ini and msgsearch.asc, usually because of some wordings (message "areas" instead of message "bases").

I'm using 80x24 and SyncTERM 1.0, although the blank lines display via fTelnet, too (that's why I suggested viewing it through the web page).

It'd be easier than me logging in but I can do that too it just might g0> take a while... I struggle to even get through my messages each day and g0> make these fixes or changes, so time is limited.

Yep -- you're doing a terrific job, by the way, and I believe the A47 release, when it comes, will be a really good one! You have managed to iron out a large number of things, which is very good for that version.

Although of course you should take some rest in between -- especially once A47 has been released! Kind of a natural time for a "break" there.

Best regards
Bj”rn

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/08/08 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Star Collision BBS, Uppsala, Sweden (2:201/137)

On 08 Aug 2021, g00r00 said the following...

If you can give me a message subject/MSGID of a message then I can
compare towhat I received here in the MYSTIC echo but I've never seen a message like thatat all. I wonder if it could also be template/display related.

Message Network: Araknet
Message Base : General Chatter
@MSGID: 10:104/2 00c1c9cd
@REPLY: 10:102/3 70076a6e
@TZUTC: 0100

The example is from my system prior to me putting in the fix I figured out.

Hope this helps.
--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/12/04 (Linux/64)
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The example is from my system prior to me putting in the fix I figured out.

Perfect thank you very much I'll try to see if this helps me narrow the problem down a little bit on my side. I probably won't be able to get to it for a few days at this rate, things are getting pretty hectic for me.

If you notice any sort of patterns other than what you've already told me let me know and I'll also try to do some testing in Linux in case its a Linux-specific issue.

... There is an exception to every rule, except this one.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/08/08 (Windows/64)
* Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)

Sure! Here you go:

1:129/215 e6453490

Thanks I will see if I can find these messages to see what they look like here.

... Help! I can't find the "ANY" key.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/08/08 (Windows/64)
* Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)

Hello g00r00!

On 09 Aug 2021, g00r00 said the following...

Thanks I will see if I can find these messages to see what they look
like here.

Thanks a lot! It is much appreciated!

Keeping fingers crossed. :)

Best regards
Bj”rn

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/08/08 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Star Collision BBS, Uppsala, Sweden (2:201/137)

Perfect thank you very much I'll try to see if this helps me narrow the problem down a little bit on my side. I probably won't be able to get
to it for a few days at this rate, things are getting pretty hectic for me.

If you notice any sort of patterns other than what you've already told
me let me know and I'll also try to do some testing in Linux in case its
a Linux-specific issue.

Thanks! Sorry I didn't reply sooner, I think Vince Coen's system (my fido uplink) was not sending me messages until just now so I didn't see the last 50 or so messages in this base until literally now.

On a side note here's another example of the extra lines
@MSGID: 2:292/854 1020342d

Message from Ward to Vince - I would export the message text but for some reason since upgrading to 2021-08-10 the export function no longer seems to work :/ Is there anything I can do to check why it's not working now?

Cheers

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Can you provide an example of a message posted like this? Again I have
not seen

a message that has this problem posted in this echo or anywhere else
with a bunch of blank lines in it.

g00r00 not sure if this issue is resolved, however all of the quote lines above are what show up even when normal messages typed. Changing the message editor.ini to 78 columns was kind of working but not consitently. I'm still seeing quite a few of the above. It's not a life threatening emergency, just hard to follow some posts with ease.

-tG

... Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/08/07 (Raspberry Pi/32)
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g00r00 not sure if this issue is resolved, however all of the quote
lines above are what show up even when normal messages typed. Changing the message editor.ini to 78 columns was kind of working but not consitently. I'm still seeing quite a few of the above. It's not a
life threatening emergency, just hard to follow some posts with ease.

I don't think there is anything to resolve at this point.

From everything I can see these messages are stored fine, and the PKTs are sent out from my system without those blank lines in it. Something is adding those blank lines after they've been sent. It seems it happens in network transmission maybe someone using an old version or something non-Mystic related?

The original messages as they leave my system do not include those blank lines and I have those PKTs to prove it, so something else is going on. If you can track it down or find a way to reproduce something i'll gladly fix it up.

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--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/08/17 (Windows/64)
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