"If China had acted in a timely manner, in that three week window when something could have been done, 95% of the cases of COVID would never have happened and we would not now be in the grip of a global pandemic," says former British Diplomat to China, Matthew Henderson during an interview on 60 Minutes Australia.

China's biggest concern was that the news of the outbreak would spread during Chinese New Year. Their suppression of information "was the worst miscalculation of all, to think you'd get away with allowing millions of people to travel around inside, and out of, China, and that would not ... result in .. an outbreak becoming an epidemic then a pandemic... that error of judgement was made in consciousness of the extent of the problem and the risks associated with it."

"The Chinese have weaponized this situation to increase their control over democracies," interfering in multiple institutions in these other countries. "It is a deliberate effort to take advantage of Western weakness."

"Don't believe a word they (China) tell us."

https://youtu.be/CkCFDDCkG1k

Too bad that Bad Bearded Man did not talk to this guy before rolling out the welcome mat for his buddies in the CCP military.

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"The Chinese have weaponized this situation to increase their control over democracies," interfering in multiple institutions in these other countries "It is a deliberate effort to take advantage of Western weakness."

I watched the interview. I don't quite understand how the virus has weakened Democracies.

I know it has affected our US elections, by giving powerful Democrats opportunities to mess with elections with "due to coronavirus" being an
excuse for many things. Mass-mailing ballots? Keeping certain people away from the polls due to their fear of the virus? Yes.

Is that what he means? Or is there more to this?

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I watched the interview. I don't quite understand how the virus has weakened Democracies.

Is that what he means? Or is there more to this?

No, if you watch the interview, he does mean more than just what is
happening here in the US. By China withholding information initially, most countries were caught completely off-guard. By reporting their own alleged success against the virus, while pointing at the failures of other countries, they are making it sound like those countries are weak because of their form
of government (non-totalitarianism) vs. the actuality... that China let too many people out of the country, knowing there was a risk, before admitting
that something was going on too late for other countries to react.

The virus has also weakened other countries financially.

I personally believe that the latter point is the bigger one.


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The virus has also weakened other countries financially.

I personally believe that the latter point is the bigger one.

How does China benefit from weakening other countries? I watched the interview, but I just don't get it.

To me, it seemed like a click-bait type of story. "Tonight on 60 Minutes Australia: China used the coronavirus to make a profit."

And then I didn't see the evil in what he said about China. They could have prevented it? Yea, but we've already heard that before. What else did they do that was negligent? Make other countries look bad?

Other countries do an even worse job at telling the news than the USA, and
we are pretty bad at it! And I'm sure that the Australian media responsible for this interview has an angle of of their own - probably a beef with China.

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Mike Powell wrote to AARON THOMAS <=-

The virus has also weakened other countries financially.

That's not quite true. While the virus hurt some countries (like the ones
with socialized medicine who couldn't keep up), most countries were hurt financialy more from their government's RESPONSE to the virus than from the virus itself.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

How does China benefit from weakening other countries?

The Chinese play the long game. When do you insert your operatives? When
your opponent isn't looking because they are too distracted by something
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The Chinese play the long game. When do you insert your operatives? When your opponent isn't looking because they are too distracted by something else.

I believe you, but weren't some of their operatives already here way before the virus?

Have they victimized other countries? I don't understand what that Australian guy was really trying to say about them.

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How does China benefit from weakening other countries? I watched the interview, but I just don't get it.

They make loans to coutries/businesses in other countries that they know
the other country/business will have to eventually default on.

They go through other countries who have been hit bad by the virus and are
able to buy up business, real estate, etc., that due to the virus are now
in trouble and are underpriced. So they basically get a bargain that
wouldn't be there if it was not for the virus.

Keep in mind that the Chinese government owns these Chinese businesses that
are doing the buying.


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The virus has also weakened other countries financially.

That's not quite true. While the virus hurt some countries (like the ones with socialized medicine who couldn't keep up), most countries were hurt financialy more from their government's RESPONSE to the virus than from the virus itself.

I cannot argue with you there.


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They go through other countries who have been hit bad by the virus and are able to buy up business, real estate, etc., that due to the virus are now in trouble and are underpriced. So they basically get a bargain that wouldn't be there if it was not for the virus.

Keep in mind that the Chinese government owns these Chinese businesses that

Thanks for this explanation. Now it makes sense.

The CPC has never been known to be a sympathetic body. Of course they will seize on opportunities, but isn't that always the name of the game? Wouldn't other governments do the same thing? Maybe they can expand their borders while they're out there hustling everybody.

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The CPC has never been known to be a sympathetic body. Of course they will seize on opportunities, but isn't that always the name of the game? Wouldn't other governments do the same thing? Maybe they can expand their borders while
they're out there hustling everybody.

Some would, for sure, if they had the money to set up debt traps. Others
do it in other manners.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

I believe you, but weren't some of their operatives already here way before the virus?

Oh, yes. But "never let a good crisis go to waste" is the motto of the Left.

Have they victimized other countries? I don't understand what that Australian guy was really trying to say about them.

I really can't say since I don't get too involved in politics of other countries.

I don't even want to get involved in politics in MY country (but I'm being forced to do so because of the Lefties - and
I will **never** forgive them for that).


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I really can't say since I don't get too involved in politics of other countries.

As Republicans, we need to be on our district rep's radar. I send letters to these people when I need to. I think lots of others do also, and everyone should, but just try to be short-but-sweet and tell them what you need and why. You don't have to be a politics expert to do that. They have to realize not everyone is up to date on every detail.

It is difficult for the dishonest puppets to write you back in good faith. I wrote to mine about Cuomo being out of control and making kids go back to school in the classroom (a long time ago - poor kids) and he wrote me back
all puppety like "I have kids too, but this is a state issue."

I know it's a state issue, but my governor is overriding state assembly and to me it feels totally unconstitutional.

Kids are catching covid at school (my kids don't go) all because Rep Brindisi doesn't give a flying one what Andrew Cuomo is doing to residents in his district because he's a Democrat puppet, so he has no choice but to
side with Andrew Cuomo. What kind of lousy rep is that?

This is why it's good that we have these discussions. Don't be afraid of your reps. Tell them stuff is messed up and tell them how you want it fixed.

It gives me peace of mind but it feels a lot better writing to a Republican. Those guys have always been awesome in their responses.

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Re: Re: China Weaponized COVI
By: Ron Lauzon to Aaron Thomas on Sun Dec 20 2020 10:18 am

Oh, yes. But "never let a good crisis go to waste" is the motto of the Left.

Yeah, when those liberal nincompoops pushed the USA PATRIOT act through after 9/11 and, with the stroke of a pen abridged civil rights of citizens and bent, if not broke, the constitutional protection against unreasonable search and seizure, as well as a couple of other guarantees we used to have.

Oh, wait, it was authored by Republicans.
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I really can't say since I don't get too involved in politics of other countries.

I would rather not also but, since some folks like to come in here and poop
on the US because we have more freedom than they do, and then won't tell us anything about what is going on in their perfect country, I feel it
necessary to keep up with them.

I don't even want to get involved in politics in MY country (but I'm being forced to do so because of the Lefties - and
I will **never** forgive them for that).

Same here. Most of my immediate relatives are lefties. If I don't pay attention, they will pass off all sorts of stuff as "true." Most of them
also don't read any news that isn't on facebook, and had no idea that the downtown area of their own city had large areas boarded up over the Summer. They had a very vague idea that there might be some violence going on but, thank goodness, they don't get out much at night.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

It gives me peace of mind but it feels a lot better writing to a Republican. Those guys have always been awesome in their responses.

I hear you. I've stepped up writing to my representatives, but they've been less than useful. They have responded, so it's nice that they listen
(or at least the people they have reading their emails listen).

But the last response was very disheartening. It basically told me that they've never read (or understood) what was in the state constitution.

So the start is writing, but next is making sure that we elect people with spines too.


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Kurt Weiske wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

Yeah, when those liberal nincompoops pushed the USA PATRIOT act through after 9/11 and, with the stroke of a pen abridged civil rights of
citizens and bent, if not broke, the constitutional protection against unreasonable search and seizure, as well as a couple of other
guarantees we used to have.

Oh, wait, it was authored by Republicans.

The fight was **never** Democrats vs. Republicans. It really isn't Left vs. Right either.

It's between the Elites who think that they can run your life better than you and the people who want to be free. The Elites are in every group and have infected many organizations over the years.


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So the start is writing, but next is making sure that we elect people with spines too.

If you can do that, then it's a miracle!

It seems like majority members are always just going to do what the higher ranking members expect of them, but let's hope that they at least are somewhat curious about what their residents have to say.

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But the last response was very disheartening. It basically told me that they've never read (or understood) what was in the state constitution.

If that was coming from a State Rep, that is pretty disheartening.


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