Thank goodness for the leader of the free world, Boris Johnson, and the brave paratroopers of the United Kingdom.

Americans in Afghanistan rescued by British military

"The British military has stepped in to evacuate some American citizens who were left behind in Afghanistan following the Biden administration's chaotic pullout of U.S. forces and the nation's quick fall to Taliban terrorists, according to former Deputy National Security Advisor Matthew Pottinger.

"'The United Kingdom right now, I know that theyrCOre running patrols into Kabul to get British citizens, Afghans and in some cases Americans that they encounter, and helping bring them to safety.'"

"Following the departure of U.S. troops from Afghanistan, President Biden sent back thousands of American military personnel... But Pentagon leadership said U.S. forces that have returned to the country are not tasked with going beyond the Kabul airport to retrieve stranded Americans, unlike their British counterparts who are scouring the country conducting rescues."

[US] Gen. Hank Taylor: "At this time, our main mission continues to be to secure [the airport], to allow those American citizens and other civilians to come in and be processed at the airfield."

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/brits-rescuing-americans-afghanistan-matt- pottinger

Meanwhile, from CNN:

"Biden's Afghanistan Claims 'Aren't Lining Up With Reality...'"

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"The British military has stepped in to evacuate some American citizens

Can the media fix all this?

"President Biden heroically saves stranded Americans from the Afghan countryside with assistance from the British Army."

or

"Today Joe Biden thanked Boris Johnson for offering assistance with the Afghanistan pullout." (Make it sound like he didn't even help.)

Someone said the liberal media was throwing Joe under the bus for all this.
I'm gonna go try to find those stories.

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"The British military has stepped in to evacuate some American citizens

Can the media fix all this?

"President Biden heroically saves stranded Americans from the Afghan countryside with assistance from the British Army."

or

"Today Joe Biden thanked Boris Johnson for offering assistance with the Afghanistan pullout." (Make it sound like he didn't even help.)

I am sure they could if they wanted to.

Read some of Jeff's post. He is good at spinning. If Trump was still President, and this was going on, he'd be foaming at the mouth by now. Rightfully so, I might add.

Someone said the liberal media was throwing Joe under the bus for all this. I'm gonna go try to find those stories.

CNN has not been consistently nice. I read somewhere that Don Lemon was
giving Biden a pass, but the ladies that were on Wednesday evening (6
or 7pm EDT, forget exactly when) were giving him Hell. Their foreign correspondent in Afghanistan asked the question (paraphrase), "if this is
not failure, what does failure look like?" You can find her precise quote
in an article I posted yesterday.


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Read some of Jeff's post. He is good at spinning. If Trump was still

The media has these guys trained well. The twisting of words was something
that I had never noticed in the news prior to 2016. By 2021, most liberals
are copying the behavior they see on tv, something that I always remind my
kids not to do. It would be a bad idea for liberals to watch Jackass; somebody will get hurt.

CNN has not been consistently nice. I read somewhere that Don Lemon was giving Biden a pass, but the ladies that were on Wednesday evening (6

It's early. When we get closer to the president's re-election, they will have completely forgotten about both of the Joe Biden disasters. But I won't forget.

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On 21 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

Read some of Jeff's post. He is good at spinning. If Trump was still President, and this was going on, he'd be foaming at the mouth by now. Rightfully so, I might add.

The Us military has now started coordinating pick-ups with Americans in
Kabul. Is this because of the Taliban threat, you might ask? Well, no, it's because of the new IS threat. The Taliban posed no threat.

Biden is also considering activating the Civil Reserve Air Fleet to evacuate Americans and Afghans. Will they be evacuating these people from Kabul? Well, no, they'll be evacuating them from Qatar, Bahrain, and Germany. And how did those people get to Qatar, Bahrain, and Germany? Well, I'll leave that up to you to figure out...

Jeff.

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On 21 Aug 2021, Jeff Thiele said the following...

220/70
On 21 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

Read some of Jeff's post. He is good at spinning. If Trump was stil President, and this was going on, he'd be foaming at the mouth by now Rightfully so, I might add.

The Us military has now started coordinating pick-ups with Americans in Kabul. Is this because of the Taliban threat, you might ask? Well, no, it's because of the new IS threat. The Taliban posed no threat.

Biden is also considering activating the Civil Reserve Air Fleet to evacuate Americans and Afghans. Will they be evacuating these people
from Kabul? Well, no, they'll be evacuating them from Qatar, Bahrain,
and Germany. And how did those people get to Qatar, Bahrain, and
Germany? Well, I'll leave that up to you to figure out...

The Afghans who fell off the c-130 didn't make it to Germany, as they fell
back to Afghanistan to their death.

What a waste of American tax payer dollars, all that equipment that
costed hundreds of millions of dollars, left behind.
Biden is a complete disgrace.

https://tinyurl.com/5v2xnszm

Remember when I said Biden is a trainwreck? Yeah... https://tinyurl.com/ut4n6dcy

Joe's campaign promises and messages regarding Afghanistan and the Taliban, seem rather empty now. as they are obsolete as well as ineffective as The Taliban would never be of any threat if Donald Trump was still in office.

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On 22 Aug 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...

The Afghans who fell off the c-130 didn't make it to Germany, as they
fell back to Afghanistan to their death.

No one forced them to cling to the outside of the C-130. In fact, it's quite inadvisable to do so, for obvious reasons. Many Afghanis who did not try to cling to the outside of aircraft were transported out safely -- inside
those same aircraft.

What a waste of American tax payer dollars, all that equipment that
costed hundreds of millions of dollars, left behind.
Biden is a complete disgrace.

Why did we leave it behind? Could it be that that's the equipment we gave to the Afghan security forces to defend their government, and which they subsequently turned over to the Taliban?

And you're right -- the whole 20-year war was a monumental waste of taxpayer money. But maybe now that we're out, we can finally have universal healthcare with all that money we won't be spending in Afghanistan. Or we can start another war the next time there's a GOP president. Who knows?

Joe's campaign promises and messages regarding Afghanistan and the Taliban, seem rather empty now. as they are obsolete as well as ineffective as The Taliban would never be of any threat if Donald
Trump was still in office.

Trump set the stage for the US withdrawal and the Taliban takeover. What do
you think Trump would have done differently? The weak link was the Afgan security forces. As soon as they were left to defend themselves, they surrendered to the Taliban.

So you can either have a withdrawal, or you can have the Taliban out of
power. You can't have both.

The Taliban are not a threat to Americans. They have been upholding their end of the bargain they made with Trump. The US recently had to change the way
they do things in Kabul because of an IS threat. Why would they need to do that? A threat is a threat, right? Except when it isn't, apparently, as the Taliban are not.

Jeff.

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The Us military has now started coordinating pick-ups with Americans in Kabul. Is this because of the Taliban threat, you might ask? Well, no, it's because of the new IS threat. The Taliban posed no threat.

IS as in ISIS? That is not a new threat. Terrorism experts and pundits
alike had been predicting this would happen if the Taliban took over. The Taliban let a bunch of them loose from prison as they took the country over. The Taliban has been known to tolerate and harbor such terror groups in the past.

Cause and effect?

Biden is also considering activating the Civil Reserve Air Fleet to evacuate Americans and Afghans. Will they be evacuating these people from Kabul? Well, no, they'll be evacuating them from Qatar, Bahrain, and Germany. And how did those people get to Qatar, Bahrain, and Germany? Well, I'll leave that up to you to figure out...

I am amazed that it is going to take some Americans getting killed to make
you realize what a screw up this was. I would also not find it hard to
believe if you go back to the "that's what happens in a pullout" line,
either.


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On 22 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

The Us military has now started coordinating pick-ups with Americans in Kabul. Is this because of the Taliban threat, you might ask? Well, no, i because of the new IS threat. The Taliban posed no threat.

IS as in ISIS? That is not a new threat. Terrorism experts and pundits alike had been predicting this would happen if the Taliban took over.
The Taliban let a bunch of them loose from prison as they took the
country over. The Taliban has been known to tolerate and harbor such terror groups in the past.

The number that they freed was not enough to consitute a threat. The number coming from outside Afghanistan is. The Taliban are not exactly best buds
with IS, either.

Biden is also considering activating the Civil Reserve Air Fleet to evac Americans and Afghans. Will they be evacuating these people from Kabul? no, they'll be evacuating them from Qatar, Bahrain, and Germany. And how those people get to Qatar, Bahrain, and Germany? Well, I'll leave that u you to figure out...

I am amazed that it is going to take some Americans getting killed to
make you realize what a screw up this was. I would also not find it
hard to believe if you go back to the "that's what happens in a pullout" line, either.

There was no guarantee that evacuating people from a hostile country would be easy or painless.

Jeff.

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There was no guarantee that evacuating people from a hostile country would be easy or painless.

Guarantee? That is right, there is not one. On the other hand, if you sit
on your hands and do little of nothing while the enemy overruns half the country, then still mostly sit on your hands for the next month until they've taken the whole country, can you guess what that guarantees when it comes to your evacuation? Guaranteed chaos? Guaranteed painfulness? Guaranteed difficulty?

Funny I keep seeing all of these retired military people, other "experts," foreign correspondents, former diplomats, etc., and they all say things
like:

"They obviously did not plan at all for the chaos, and are still not
reacting to it properly."
"They had time to start withdrawing US civilians sooner, but the
administration ignored their advisors."
"Our European allies feel like a rug was pulled out from under them."
"They should not have abandoned the air base (which is different from the airport) before everyone was out because it is the most fortified place in the country and, being an AIR base, they could have flown people out of it,
too."

So far, you are the only one that seems to be giving them a pass.


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On 23 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

There was no guarantee that evacuating people from a hostile country wou easy or painless.

Guarantee? That is right, there is not one. On the other hand, if you sit on your hands and do little of nothing while the enemy overruns half the country, then still mostly sit on your hands for the next month
until they've taken the whole country, can you guess what that
guarantees when it comes to your evacuation? Guaranteed chaos? Guaranteed painfulness? Guaranteed difficulty?

They are getting people out.

Funny I keep seeing all of these retired military people, other
"experts," foreign correspondents, former diplomats, etc., and they all say things like:
"They obviously did not plan at all for the chaos, and are still not reacting to it properly."
"They had time to start withdrawing US civilians sooner, but the administration ignored their advisors."
"Our European allies feel like a rug was pulled out from under them." "They should not have abandoned the air base (which is different from the airport) before everyone was out because it is the most fortified place
in the country and, being an AIR base, they could have flown people out
of it, too."

Hindsight is 20/20, especially from an armchair.

So far, you are the only one that seems to be giving them a pass.

They're doing the job they're supposed to do, are they not?

Jeff.

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Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-

Guarantee? That is right, there is not one. On the other hand, if you sit on your hands and do little of nothing while the enemy overruns
half the country, then still mostly sit on your hands for the next
month until they've taken the whole country, can you guess what that guarantees when it comes to your evacuation? Guaranteed chaos?
Guaranteed painfulness? Guaranteed difficulty?

I'm reminded of the people in New Orleans some time ago when they had massive flooding. There were a rather large number of people who basically sat around waiting for someone to come help them.

Could we be seeing signs of conditioning in people to be dependant completely on the gov't?

So far, you are the only one that seems to be giving them a pass.

Lefties can never admit that they were wrong.


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Could we be seeing signs of conditioning in people to be dependant completely on the gov't?

Maybe, but if I am in a foreign country and (probably) working for the government, I would have to be somewhat dependant on them, especially if
the country is full of hostiles. Probably cannot just up and leave without losing my job although, if I was a low-ranking member of the foreign
diplomatic core, I think I might be looking for another job about now
anyway.


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Mike Powell wrote to RON LAUZON <=-

Maybe, but if I am in a foreign country and (probably) working for the government, I would have to be somewhat dependant on them, especially
if the country is full of hostiles.

That's true. But I somehow got the feeling that while there were many gov't employees there, there were also a good number of civilians (not just families of those gov't employees). But as I think about it, that shouldn't be the case.

Probably cannot just up and leave
without losing my job although, if I was a low-ranking member of the foreign diplomatic core, I think I might be looking for another job
about now anyway.

IHMO: As soon as Biden was elected, that should have been on their priority list. Democrats have an awful track record in Foreign Relations.


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That's true. But I somehow got the feeling that while there were many gov't employees there, there were also a good number of civilians (not just families
of those gov't employees). But as I think about it, that shouldn't be the case.

I would not *expect* that to be the case but, apparently, some Americans
went over there thinking that they could help their non-American relatives escape to safety. Instead, they could be stuck now also.

I also wonder if there were not some folks who went over there hoping to
mine precious minerals and/or who worked for companies that hoped to do so.


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IHMO: As soon as Biden was elected, that should have been on their priority list. Democrats have an awful track record in Foreign
Relations.

Exactly. Joe's a total butt kisser. Why does he wait till the last minute to fix something he knew about 8 months ago? Because he's busy helping Hunter
sell his crappy art?

Trump seriously was like a father to this country. Joe is a horrible, abusive step-father who takes human life for granted.

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On 25 Aug 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

IHMO: As soon as Biden was elected, that should have been on their priority list. Democrats have an awful track record in Foreign Relations.

Exactly. Joe's a total butt kisser. Why does he wait till the last
minute to fix something he knew about 8 months ago? Because he's busy helping Hunter sell his crappy art?
Trump seriously was like a father to this country. Joe is a horrible, abusive step-father who takes human life for granted.

Trump was president for 4 years. He could have exited Afghanistan at any
time. How many American lifes were lost in Afghanistan under Trump?

Jeff.

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Ron Lauzon -> Mike Powell has brought this to us :

Mike Powell wrote to RON LAUZON <=-

Maybe, but if I am in a foreign country and (probably) working for

the

government, I would have to be somewhat dependant on them, especially
if the country is full of hostiles.

That's true. But I somehow got the feeling that while there were many gov't
employees there, there were also a good number of civilians (not just families
of those gov't employees). But as I think about it, that shouldn't be the case.

Probably cannot just up and leave
without losing my job although, if I was a low-ranking member of the
foreign diplomatic core, I think I might be looking for another job
about now anyway.

IHMO: As soon as Biden was elected, that should have been on their priority
list. Democrats have an awful track record in Foreign Relations.

How many wars did Jimmy Carter get us into?
First thing he did as president was grant amnesty to those
who dodged the draft, allowing them to return home. And got
all our men and women safely back home from Iran, where they
had been held hostage for over a year. As a result, no American
lives were lost due to combat during his term in office.

--Lee

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Trump was president for 4 years. He could have exited Afghanistan at any time. How many American lifes were lost in Afghanistan under Trump?

0 at the Kabul airport.

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On 27 Aug 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Trump was president for 4 years. He could have exited Afghanistan at time. How many American lifes were lost in Afghanistan under Trump?

0 at the Kabul airport.

Interesting cherry-picking. What's the real answer, though?

Jeff.

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Trump was president for 4 years. He could have exited Afghanista time. How many American lifes were lost in Afghanistan under Tru

0 at the Kabul airport.

Interesting cherry-picking. What's the real answer, though?

Mike Pompeo said that there were 0 American fatalities in Afghanistan during the Trump administration's last 13 months.

"In the last 13 months of our admin, there was not a
single American attacked or killed. It wasn't because of a piece of paper. It was because the Taliban understood that if they acted against Americans & acted inconsistently with what they'd promised to do, we'd respond & we did."

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On 27 Aug 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Trump was president for 4 years. He could have exited Afgha time. How many American lifes were lost in Afghanistan unde

0 at the Kabul airport.

Interesting cherry-picking. What's the real answer, though?

Mike Pompeo said that there were 0 American fatalities in Afghanistan during the Trump administration's last 13 months.
"In the last 13 months of our admin, there was not a
single American attacked or killed. It wasn't because of a piece of
paper. It was because the Taliban understood that if they acted against Americans & acted inconsistently with what they'd promised to do, we'd respond & we did."

More cherry-picking. Trump was president for 48 months.

Additionally, Trump said that he had a plan to defeat ISIS within 30 days of taking office in 2017. How did that pan out?

Jeff.

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On 08-25-21 18:11, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Ron Lauzon about Re: Americans Rescued by <=-

Trump seriously was like a father to this country. Joe is a horrible, abusive step-father who takes human life for granted.

That statement makes me wonder if you have ever listened to either man.

Trump had no empathy for anyone. He called war dead "suckers and
losers".

Joe has demonstrated that he can recognize the pain of those who have
lost a loved one and that he has empathy for their loss.

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Trump was president for 4 years. He could have exited Afghanistan at any time. How many American lifes were lost in Afghanistan under Trump?

At the time that the May 1 deadline was originally set, I suspect Trump
still expected to be in office.


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More cherry-picking. Trump was president for 48 months.

Going from 0 deaths in 13 months to 13 deaths in 1 day reflects the transition from Trump's admin to Biden's admin.

Additionally, Trump said that he had a plan to defeat ISIS within 30
days of taking office in 2017. How did that pan out?

It was a plan that didn't work as planned, but does Trump's military
background indicate anything to you? He knew how to fix our economy but he wasn't a war strategist, and neither is Biden.

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Trump seriously was like a father to this country. Joe is a horrible, abusive step-father who takes human life for granted.

That statement makes me wonder if you have ever listened to either man.

Trump had no empathy for anyone. He called war dead "suckers and
losers".

How did Joe show empathy? By showing up uninvited to a black guy's funeral during the presidential campaign?

That story about Trump is fake. There's no proof. There IS proof that he trashed John McCain, which was awful. If I were you, I'd stick with that story instead, since there's actual proof of it.

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On 28 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

Trump was president for 4 years. He could have exited Afghanistan at any time. How many American lifes were lost in Afghanistan under Trump?

At the time that the May 1 deadline was originally set, I suspect Trump still expected to be in office.

Be that as it may, it did not come to pass.

Jeff.

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On 28 Aug 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

More cherry-picking. Trump was president for 48 months.

Going from 0 deaths in 13 months to 13 deaths in 1 day reflects the transition from Trump's admin to Biden's admin.

BZZZT! Wrong answer.

Additionally, Trump said that he had a plan to defeat ISIS within 30 days of taking office in 2017. How did that pan out?

It was a plan that didn't work as planned, but does Trump's military background indicate anything to you? He knew how to fix our economy but
he wasn't a war strategist, and neither is Biden.

A plan that didn't work out as planned, you say? Interesting.

Jeff.

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More cherry-picking. Trump was president for 48 months.

Going from 0 deaths in 13 months to 13 deaths in 1 day reflects the transition from Trump's admin to Biden's admin.

BZZZT! Wrong answer.

Then correct it.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

There IS proof that he trashed John McCain, which was awful.

John McCain was a stain and deserved all the trashing he could get.

Several times, he pushed bills that violated the Constitution (mostly the First Amendment) and would have censored the Internet.

The man is a disgrace.


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On 08-28-21 10:51, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Americans Rescued by <=-

Trump seriously was like a father to this
country. Joe is a horrible,
abusive step-father who takes human life for granted.

That statement makes me wonder if you have ever listened to either man.

Trump had no empathy for anyone. He called war dead "suckers and
losers".

How did Joe show empathy?

Can you deny that he showed empathy when he spoke of the 13 dead at
Kabul and the burden that their families might be feeling?

By showing up uninvited to a black guy's
funeral during the presidential campaign?

Whereas Trump ignored him.

That story about Trump is fake. There's no proof.

There are multiple witnesses who have testified to both occasions where
he did that, or something similar. Once at Arlington and once in
France.

There IS proof that
he trashed John McCain, which was awful. If I were you, I'd stick with that story instead, since there's actual proof of it.

That is also well documented, more than once.

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On 08-28-21 10:37, Aaron Thomas <=-
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More cherry-picking. Trump was president for 48 months.

Going from 0 deaths in 13 months

That was the result of a negotiation by Trump. Good job for him.

AT to 13 deaths in 1 day reflects the

Truth is 0 deaths in 1 day by the Taliban. The 13 deaths of Americans
and the many more deaths of Afganis were the result of an ISSI-K attack.
Would you rather that we were not there and explosed to ISSI-K? I.e. not attempt to rescue many from Afganistan?

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On 29 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

More cherry-picking. Trump was president for 48 months.

Going from 0 deaths in 13 months to 13 deaths in 1 day reflects the transition from Trump's admin to Biden's admin.

BZZZT! Wrong answer.

Then correct it.

There were at least 80 US military casualties in Afghanistan while Trump was president. He could have pulled out at any time.

Jeff.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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There IS proof that he trashed John McCain, which was awful.

John McCain was a stain and deserved all the trashing he could get.

Yea, McCain sucked, but Trump's McCain comments were unnecessary though. All that tough-guy talk gave fuel to the media's fire, which has hurt us all.

That's why liberals find it believable that he made the other comments about deceased combat vets. (I think)

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Can you deny that he showed empathy when he spoke of the 13 dead at
Kabul and the burden that their families might be feeling?

But did he go to their funerals though?

By showing up uninvited to a black guy's
funeral during the presidential campaign?

Whereas Trump ignored him.

Trump never met the guy. They weren't best buds like Joe & George.

That story about Trump is fake. There's no proof.

There are multiple witnesses who have testified to both occasions where
he did that, or something similar. Once at Arlington and once in
France.

Neither Trump nor Biden have any people skills. Biden doesn't know how to mind his own business, and Trump talks like a bully. I wouldn't want to see either of their faces at a private family event.

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Truth is 0 deaths in 1 day by the Taliban. The 13 deaths of Americans
and the many more deaths of Afganis were the result of an ISSI-K attack. Would you rather that we were not there and explosed to ISSI-K? I.e. not attempt to rescue many from Afganistan?

I don't understand exactly what you mean. I wish Biden (or whoever is really
in charge) would have evacuated all the American civilians first before
handing the key to the city to the 9/11 conspirators.

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On 08-30-21 09:38, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Americans Rescued by <=-

Can you deny that he showed empathy when he spoke of the 13 dead at
Kabul and the burden that their families might be feeling?

But did he go to their funerals though?

He might do so when the funerals happen as a way of showing respect for
their service. He has talked with each of the families, and I'd bet
that he did not forget the name of the service men and women.

By showing up uninvited to a black guy's
funeral during the presidential campaign?

Whereas Trump ignored him.

Trump never met the guy. They weren't best buds like Joe & George.

Biden had not met him either -- but he took the opportunity to show
empathy for the unnecessary loss of his life.

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On 08-30-21 11:32, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Americans Rescued by <=-

Truth is 0 deaths in 1 day by the Taliban. The 13 deaths of Americans
and the many more deaths of Afganis were the result of an ISSI-K attack. Would you rather that we were not there and explosed to ISSI-K? I.e. not attempt to rescue many from Afganistan?

I don't understand exactly what you mean.

What I mean is that you were attempting to compare apples and oranges by implying that the 13 US deaths on that day were due to the Taliban.
They were not.

I wish Biden (or whoever is
really in charge) would have evacuated all the American civilians first before handing the key to the city to the 9/11 conspirators.

A. They were evacuating.
B. The US did not hand the key to the city over to that Taliban. That
was the Afgani government.
C. The sudden collapse of the Afgani government caused the US to
emplement emergency actions to evacuate US citizens and others of
interest. Those actions were effective, evacuating thousands of US
citizens who wanted to leave and over a hundred thousand over all.

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He might do so when the funerals happen as a way of showing respect for their service. He has talked with each of the families, and I'd bet
that he did not forget the name of the service men and women.

At least 2 of the Biden Kabul bombing victims' fathers are blaming Joe, so I don't think those talks were very productive. Other victims' family members have been complaining about Joe's "complete lack of empathy."

https://nypost.com/2021/08/27/fathers-of-marines-killed-in-kabul-attack-rage-ag inst-biden/

I wouldn't expect empathy from Joe though; that's their mistake. He's old, corrupt, self-serving, and the only veteran that matters to him is Beau Biden.

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What I mean is that you were attempting to compare apples and oranges by implying that the 13 US deaths on that day were due to the Taliban.
They were not.

Thanks for the clarification. I didn't have those facts straight.

B. The US did not hand the key to the city over to that Taliban. That
was the Afgani government.

That's a good point, but it's a stretch for people like Lee to say that "The Afghans wanted the Taliban back."

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Hello Aaron,

What I mean is that you were attempting to compare apples and oranges

by

implying that the 13 US deaths on that day were due to the Taliban.
They were not.

Thanks for the clarification. I didn't have those facts straight.

B. The US did not hand the key to the city over to that Taliban.

That

was the Afgani government.

That's a good point, but it's a stretch for people like Lee to say that "The
Afghans wanted the Taliban back."

The Taliban never left Afghanistan.
It was their home before we got there,
while we were there, and remains their
home today.

It is their country. So why should they leave?
Would you leave the USA if a foreign power occupied
your home? Or would you fight the invader who stole
your land?

See how that works?
The Taliban's modus operandi has always been the same.
All they had to do was wait them out.
Took the British two tries to learn what was best for them.
Took the Russians ten long years.
And the United States twice as long, at twenty years.
Not even Alexander the Great could conquer Afghanistan,
and yet it seems none are ever the wiser.

The people of Afghanistan did what they have always done
whenever a foreign invader occupied their land - they waited
the invaders out. And sure enough, every time the invaders
came, the invaders left. The one people who managed to defeat
Alexander the Great (and all others) at his own game.

--Lee

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The people of Afghanistan did what they have always done
whenever a foreign invader occupied their land - they waited
the invaders out. And sure enough, every time the invaders
came, the invaders left. The one people who managed to defeat
Alexander the Great (and all others) at his own game.

The Taliban aren't representative of the people of Afghanistan. Neither is ISIS. They *thought* President Ghani was representative of them, but they were wrong. At least when he was in power, it was a president who they elected.

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