Do the non-Apple common consumer operating systems (android, linux, win10/win11) work WITHOUT logging into the mothership mainframe servers?
My only question to the non-Apple newsgroups is whether or not it is a true statement of mine that no other common consumer operating system (not even Windows 11) requires a mothership tracking account for basic functionality (certainly I am well aware Android does not require it).
As far as I have seen, Linux does not require any hooks into any Windows, Google, Apple, Mac
connections.
As you or something in your article said, adding account logins just enhances the experience.
I myself use the google calendar events that show on my Android phone and now show on my Linux calendar.
Andrew,
You must be out of your mind to concern yourself
with this kind of thing.
You must be out of your mind to concern yourself
with this kind of thing.
Bill, you must be out of your mind to quote all 245 lines of
Andrew's article to just add your 2 cents.
Do the non-Apple common consumer operating systems (android, linux, >win10/win11) work WITHOUT logging into the mothership mainframe servers?
Do the non-Apple common consumer operating systems (android, linux, >>win10/win11) work WITHOUT logging into the mothership mainframe servers?
I saw a complaint from a Windows 11 user to the effect that it would
not allow him to save stuff locally.
I tried to find out more about it for him and it appears that it
offers a chic, but his machine was set to log in to the MS server, and
he didn't know how to change it.
Someone else told me that Windows 11 does save files locally, but it
is so many levels deep that you have to be a hacker to find them.
W Sun, 30 Jun 2024 18:43:42 +0200, Steve Hayes napisal:
Do the non-Apple common consumer operating systems (android, linux, >>>win10/win11) work WITHOUT logging into the mothership mainframe servers?
I saw a complaint from a Windows 11 user to the effect that it would
not allow him to save stuff locally.
I tried to find out more about it for him and it appears that it
offers a chic, but his machine was set to log in to the MS server, and
he didn't know how to change it.
Someone else told me that Windows 11 does save files locally, but it
is so many levels deep that you have to be a hacker to find them.
I think Windows 11 wants you to create and continually log into a Microsoft mainframe server account so that they can start to market products to you
and so they can sell your meta data, but I don't think that Microsoft login account on the net is required for the essential operation of the device.
Someone else told me that Windows 11 does save files locally, but it
is so many levels deep that you have to be a hacker to find them.
I think Windows 11 wants you to create and continually log into a Microsoft >> mainframe server account so that they can start to market products to you
and so they can sell your meta data, but I don't think that Microsoft login >> account on the net is required for the essential operation of the device.
I'm sure they'll try and find some excuse tho.
What happens if you do not create that MSA account on Windows 11?
What happens if you do not create that MSA account on Windows 11?
What happens if you do not create that MSA account on Windows 11?
To me, on this Win11 Home laptop ... nothing.
I think it asked me once to "finish off installing" or some such phrase.
On 6/30/2024 8:49 AM, Kees Nuyt wrote:
You must be out of your mind to concern yourself
with this kind of thing.
Bill, you must be out of your mind to quote all 245 lines of
Andrew's article to just add your 2 cents.
It's a worthwhile privacy concern to think about which operating systems
are designed to require logging into the maker's servers for most of the >vital essential services that comprise the core of the operating system.
W Mon, 1 Jul 2024 14:10:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 napisal:
I'm sure they'll try and find some excuse tho.Someone else told me that Windows 11 does save files locally, but it
is so many levels deep that you have to be a hacker to find them.
I think Windows 11 wants you to create and continually log into a Microsoft >>> mainframe server account so that they can start to market products to you >>> and so they can sell your meta data, but I don't think that Microsoft login >>> account on the net is required for the essential operation of the device. >>
What happens if you do not create that MSA account on Windows 11?
On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 12:31:18 -0400, Larry Wolff
<larrywolff@larrywolff.net> wrote:
On 6/30/2024 8:49 AM, Kees Nuyt wrote:
You must be out of your mind to concern yourself
with this kind of thing.
Bill, you must be out of your mind to quote all 245 lines of
Andrew's article to just add your 2 cents.
It's a worthwhile privacy concern to think about which operating systems
are designed to require logging into the maker's servers for most of the
vital essential services that comprise the core of the operating system.
It's not just a privacy concern.
The point about laptop computers is that they are *portable*. You can
take them to meetings at remote locations where there is no internet
access. You can take them to libraries and archives to do research.
You can use them (for a while) if the mains electricity goes off.
Being tethered to the mothership means that portable computers cease
to be portable and are forced to be, well, tethered.
On 2024-07-01 20:36, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 12:31:18 -0400, Larry Wolff
<larrywolff@larrywolff.net> wrote:
On 6/30/2024 8:49 AM, Kees Nuyt wrote:
You must be out of your mind to concern yourself with this
kind of thing.
Bill, you must be out of your mind to quote all 245 lines of
Andrew's article to just add your 2 cents.
It's a worthwhile privacy concern to think about which operating
systems are designed to require logging into the maker's servers
for most of the vital essential services that comprise the core
of the operating system.
It's not just a privacy concern.
The point about laptop computers is that they are *portable*. You
can take them to meetings at remote locations where there is no
internet access. You can take them to libraries and archives to do
research. You can use them (for a while) if the mains electricity
goes off.
Being tethered to the mothership means that portable computers
cease to be portable and are forced to be, well, tethered.
Ummmm...
I've had Mac laptops for more than 30 years.
I've never been tethered.
On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 17:42:38 +0200, "Jan K." <janicekoziol@nie.ma.spamu.prosze.com> wrote:
W Mon, 1 Jul 2024 14:10:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 napisal:
Someone else told me that Windows 11 does save files locally,
but it is so many levels deep that you have to be a hacker to
find them.
I think Windows 11 wants you to create and continually log into
a Microsoft mainframe server account so that they can start to
market products to you and so they can sell your meta data, but
I don't think that Microsoft login account on the net is
required for the essential operation of the device.
I'm sure they'll try and find some excuse tho.
What happens if you do not create that MSA account on Windows 11?
It works.
It does on my wife's computer.
Do you still get all the OS updates?? Or does MS think if you will not
play nicely with them, they will not play nicely with you??
Daniel70 wrote:
Do you still get all the OS updates?? Or does MS think if you will not
play nicely with them, they will not play nicely with you??
What have updates got to do with an MSA?
Microsoft have been more and more insistent on creating an MSA at
install time, though there are still ways around it; even if they close
all the loopholes, you can install with an MSA, create a local admin
account then delete the MSA ... just make sure you have copies of any bitlocker keys elsewhere.
Andy Burns wrote:
Microsoft have been more and more insistent on creating an MSA at
install time, though there are still ways around it; even if they close
all the loopholes, you can install with an MSA, create a local admin
account then delete the MSA ... just make sure you have copies of any
bitlocker keys elsewhere.
I wouldn't be surprised if they would still send telemetry about that
account even after deletion..
Jan K. wrote:
AJL wrote:
What happens if you do not create that MSA account on Windows 11?
Can't speak for W11 but I'm posting with a cheapie 10" laptop
that I bought a few months ago (from Amazon, where else?) that
came with a W10 Pro local account (no MS sign up requested). I've
not had any problems for my use yet. YMMV of course...
Do you still get all the OS updates?? Or does MS think if you will
not play nicely with them, they will not play nicely with you??
HMM! Is it part of the initial purchase agreement of the OS that MS
MUST provide the purchaser with any relevant updates??
candycanearter07 wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
Microsoft have been more and more insistent on creating an MSA at
install time, though there are still ways around it; even if they close >>> all the loopholes, you can install with an MSA, create a local admin
account then delete the MSA ... just make sure you have copies of any
bitlocker keys elsewhere.
I wouldn't be surprised if they would still send telemetry about that
account even after deletion..
I'm sure they send telemetry whatever you do, but there won't be much to send about an account that's been deleted, and therefore can't login
Do you still get all the OS updates?? Or does MS think if you will
not play nicely with them, they will not play nicely with you??
I'm still getting updates on this Windows 10 Pro laptop (described
above) that has NEVER HAD an MS account. One update is waiting to
install now. However I read that the updates will stop in another year
unless I upgrade to Windows 11. And since there have been no offers I
suspect this cheapie laptop is not capable of using Windows 11.
HMM! Is it part of the initial purchase agreement of the OS that MS
MUST provide the purchaser with any relevant updates??
Dunno about agreements, but every new gadget I have had came with a
period of updates including my Chromebooks and Android toys...
(I never understood why people set a password on a home computer.)
(I never understood why people set a password on a home computer.)
Here in the big city home burglaries happen. My neighbor lost all his electronics in one. A home computer's passwords (pins in my case) are
all that stand between my data and the perp. Granted most stolen
electronics are likely wiped before resale but still one never knows...
AJL wrote on Tue, 2 Jul 2024 09:24:41 -0700 :
Here in the big city home burglaries happen. My neighbor lost all
his electronics in one. A home computer's passwords (pins in my
case) are all that stand between my data and the perp. Granted
most stolen electronics are likely wiped before resale but still
one never knows...
Even if your computer or phone is stolen, all they get is the
device.
Nobody who knows computers has sensitive data stored in the clear on
them.
It's a standing joke that people who put biometric gimmicks on their
phones
& computers must live in the slums - but it's not supposed to be
literal.
Putting locks like that on a *personal* home desktop computer or
phone is like welding bars across your windows & blocking the doors
with furniture.
If people can't trust their own spouse and children around their
personal desktop computers, then I feel sorry for them. I really do.
It's sad.
"I feel sorry for those who can't trust anyone"
AJL wrote on Tue, 2 Jul 2024 09:24:41 -0700 :
Even if your computer or phone is stolen, all they get is the device.(I never understood why people set a password on a home computer.)Here in the big city home burglaries happen. My neighbor lost all his
electronics in one. A home computer's passwords (pins in my case) are
all that stand between my data and the perp. Granted most stolen
electronics are likely wiped before resale but still one never knows...
Nobody who knows computers has sensitive data stored in the clear on them.
Besides... MARKETING is who is telling people they need to lock it all up. (There are reasons for why MARKETING wants this - but that's a long story.)
It's a standing joke that people who put biometric gimmicks on their phones
& computers must live in the slums - but it's not supposed to be literal.
Even if your computer or phone is stolen, all they get is the
device.
The only thing that stands between most folks Android phone's unlocked
Google data is the lock screen.
Nobody who knows computers has sensitive data stored in the clear on
them.
Agreed. My sensitive data requires 2 passwords/pins. One for the lock
screen and one for the sensitive app.
It's a standing joke that people who put biometric gimmicks on their
phones
I never could get my lock screen fingerprint to work the first time. I
found that I could more easily enter a pin in a few seconds.
& computers must live in the slums - but it's not supposed to be
literal.
Burglaries happen everywhere. In both good and bad parts of town.
Putting locks like that on a *personal* home desktop computer or
phone is like welding bars across your windows & blocking the doors
with furniture.
As I said I get a 2 second lock screen entry. Not all that terrible...
If people can't trust their own spouse and children around their
personal desktop computers, then I feel sorry for them. I really do.
It's sad.
My wife knows my pins/passwords in case I croak.
"I feel sorry for those who can't trust anyone"
I do trust some folks. But I still lock my house, car, and electronics...
I feel sorry for anyone who puts a lock on a phone or computer.
It's sad that they live in such intense fear of everyone around
them.
While Android can lock specific apps with an additional PIN, I'm not
aware Windows or Linux can lock specific apps with an addition PIN.
Can they?
I agree with you that, if locks are necessary, the PIN is very
reliable. Biometrics are a marketing gimmick
No other common consumer operating system (other than ChromeOS)
requires logging into mothership mainframe servers every moment of
your life.
if you set up your device intelligently - when it's stolen - you lose
no sensitive data.
They never get your sensitive data if you are intelligent about
setup.
Do the non-Apple common consumer operating systems (android, linux, win10/win11) work WITHOUT logging into the mothership mainframe servers?
My only question to the non-Apple newsgroups is whether or not it is a true statement of mine that no other common consumer operating system (not even Windows 11) requires a mothership tracking account for basic functionality (certainly I am well aware Android does not require it).
Is my statement correct for all the non-Apple common consumer systems?
Q: Does any non-Apple common OS require a mothership account for the
basic functionality of the operating system that people love about it?
That's all I ask to flesh out here, as I care only about the truth.
I will only respond to those who stick to the topic of whether the
non-Apple operating systems ALSO are set up on the dumb-terminal model
(with the inherent loss of privacy, particularly in meta-data collection).
Below is simply a note I wrote today,in response to a question on the
Apple iOS newsgroup
On 2024-07-01 20:36, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 12:31:18 -0400, Larry Wolff
<larrywolff@larrywolff.net> wrote:
On 6/30/2024 8:49 AM, Kees Nuyt wrote:
You must be out of your mind to concern yourself
with this kind of thing.
Bill, you must be out of your mind to quote all 245 lines of
Andrew's article to just add your 2 cents.
It's a worthwhile privacy concern to think about which operating systems >>> are designed to require logging into the maker's servers for most of the >>> vital essential services that comprise the core of the operating system.
It's not just a privacy concern.
The point about laptop computers is that they are *portable*. You can
take them to meetings at remote locations where there is no internet
access. You can take them to libraries and archives to do research.
You can use them (for a while) if the mains electricity goes off.
Being tethered to the mothership means that portable computers cease
to be portable and are forced to be, well, tethered.
Ummmm...
I've had Mac laptops for more than 30 years.
On 02/07/2024 15:54, Andrew wrote:
My Windows 10 Pro desktop has been getting updates from Microsoft forWindows 10 updates for 15 years! You must be the genius one to make
something like almost 15 years, given the free Windows OS upgrades.
things up on these newsgroups.
On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 22:00:28 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-07-01 20:36, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 12:31:18 -0400, Larry Wolff
<larrywolff@larrywolff.net> wrote:
On 6/30/2024 8:49 AM, Kees Nuyt wrote:It's not just a privacy concern.
You must be out of your mind to concern yourself
with this kind of thing.
Bill, you must be out of your mind to quote all 245 lines of
Andrew's article to just add your 2 cents.
It's a worthwhile privacy concern to think about which operating systems >>>> are designed to require logging into the maker's servers for most of the >>>> vital essential services that comprise the core of the operating system. >>>
The point about laptop computers is that they are *portable*. You can
take them to meetings at remote locations where there is no internet
access. You can take them to libraries and archives to do research.
You can use them (for a while) if the mains electricity goes off.
Being tethered to the mothership means that portable computers cease
to be portable and are forced to be, well, tethered.
Ummmm...
I've had Mac laptops for more than 30 years.
And they were all non-Apple?
Alan wrote on 2/7/24 3:00 pm:
On 2024-07-01 20:36, Steve Hayes wrote:.... except by the Wi-Fi or USB Dongle that you use to get your signal
On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 12:31:18 -0400, Larry Wolff
<larrywolff@larrywolff.net> wrote:
On 6/30/2024 8:49 AM, Kees Nuyt wrote:
You must be out of your mind to concern yourself with this
kind of thing.
Bill, you must be out of your mind to quote all 245 lines of
Andrew's article to just add your 2 cents.
It's a worthwhile privacy concern to think about which operating
systems are designed to require logging into the maker's servers
for most of the vital essential services that comprise the core
of the operating system.
It's not just a privacy concern.
The point about laptop computers is that they are *portable*. You
can take them to meetings at remote locations where there is no
internet access. You can take them to libraries and archives to do
research. You can use them (for a while) if the mains electricity
goes off.
Being tethered to the mothership means that portable computers
cease to be portable and are forced to be, well, tethered.
Ummmm...
I've had Mac laptops for more than 30 years.
I've never been tethered.
out of your Mac laptops to where ever they are distend.
Otherwise the signal would NEVER have left your Mac laptop.
On 6/30/2024 8:49 AM, Kees Nuyt wrote:
You must be out of your mind to concern yourself
with this kind of thing.
Bill, you must be out of your mind to quote all 245 lines of
Andrew's article to just add your 2 cents.
It's a worthwhile privacy concern to think about which operating systems
are designed to require logging into the maker's servers for most of the vital essential services that comprise the core of the operating system.
On 6/29/24 12:54 AM, Andrew wrote:
Do the non-Apple common consumer operating systems (android, linux,
win10/win11) work WITHOUT logging into the mothership mainframe servers?
My only question to the non-Apple newsgroups is whether or not it is a
true
statement of mine that no other common consumer operating system (not
even
Windows 11) requires a mothership tracking account for basic
functionality
(certainly I am well aware Android does not require it).
As far as I have seen, Linux does not require any hooks into any
Windows, Google, Apple, Mac connections.
As you or something in your article said, adding account logins just enhances the experience. I myself use the google calendar events that
show on my Android phone and now show on my Linux calendar.
On 2024-06-30 09:31, Larry Wolff wrote:
It's a worthwhile privacy concern to think about which operating systems
are designed to require logging into the maker's servers for most of the
vital essential services that comprise the core of the operating system.
What "vital essential services" would those be?
On 2024-07-02 01:45, Daniel70 wrote:
Alan wrote on 2/7/24 3:00 pm:
On 2024-07-01 20:36, Steve Hayes wrote:.... except by the Wi-Fi or USB Dongle that you use to get your signal
On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 12:31:18 -0400, Larry Wolff
<larrywolff@larrywolff.net> wrote:
On 6/30/2024 8:49 AM, Kees Nuyt wrote:
You must be out of your mind to concern yourself with this
kind of thing.
Bill, you must be out of your mind to quote all 245 lines of
Andrew's article to just add your 2 cents.
It's a worthwhile privacy concern to think about which operating
systems are designed to require logging into the maker's servers
for most of the vital essential services that comprise the core
of the operating system.
It's not just a privacy concern.
The point about laptop computers is that they are *portable*. You
can take them to meetings at remote locations where there is no
internet access. You can take them to libraries and archives to do
research. You can use them (for a while) if the mains electricity
goes off.
Being tethered to the mothership means that portable computers
cease to be portable and are forced to be, well, tethered.
Ummmm...
I've had Mac laptops for more than 30 years.
I've never been tethered.
out of your Mac laptops to where ever they are distend.
Otherwise the signal would NEVER have left your Mac laptop.
But that is no more and no less "tethered" than any other personal
computer using any operating system.
Alan wrote on 9/7/24 3:50 am:
On 2024-07-02 01:45, Daniel70 wrote:
Alan wrote on 2/7/24 3:00 pm:
On 2024-07-01 20:36, Steve Hayes wrote:.... except by the Wi-Fi or USB Dongle that you use to get your
On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 12:31:18 -0400, Larry Wolff
<larrywolff@larrywolff.net> wrote:
On 6/30/2024 8:49 AM, Kees Nuyt wrote:
You must be out of your mind to concern yourself with this
kind of thing.
Bill, you must be out of your mind to quote all 245 lines of
Andrew's article to just add your 2 cents.
It's a worthwhile privacy concern to think about which operating
systems are designed to require logging into the maker's servers
for most of the vital essential services that comprise the core
of the operating system.
It's not just a privacy concern.
The point about laptop computers is that they are *portable*. You
can take them to meetings at remote locations where there is no
internet access. You can take them to libraries and archives to do
research. You can use them (for a while) if the mains electricity
goes off.
Being tethered to the mothership means that portable computers
cease to be portable and are forced to be, well, tethered.
Ummmm...
I've had Mac laptops for more than 30 years.
I've never been tethered.
signal out of your Mac laptops to where ever they are distend.
Otherwise the signal would NEVER have left your Mac laptop.
But that is no more and no less "tethered" than any other personal
computer using any operating system.
Sorry! Are we talking at different things??
Currently, this Laptop uses its Wi-Fi to connect to a Box at the end of
my Landline Phone-line. If I were to take the Laptop to a Coffee-Bar,
the Wi-Fi would not work .... unless the Coffee-Bar offered Public Wi-Fi .... but I'd have to obtain the Coffee-Bar Wi-Fi Password first.
Previously, I had a Dongle that I'd plug into a USB socket on this same Laptop and, as long as I was with-in 'sight' of a Telco Antenna, I could talk to the world.
In either case, I considered that I WAS Tethered! Maybe not by a
physical wire, but Tethered none the less.
Are we talking at different things??
On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 10:54:12 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-06-30 09:31, Larry Wolff wrote:
It's a worthwhile privacy concern to think about which operating systems >>> are designed to require logging into the maker's servers for most of the >>> vital essential services that comprise the core of the operating system.
What "vital essential services" would those be?
My concerns are not so much "privacy" as working.
"Vital essential services" would be things like saving your work,
accessing your data on a laptop when away from home or in any other circumstances where an internet connection is not available.
What "vital essential services" would those be?
My concerns are not so much "privacy" as working.
"Vital essential services" would be things like saving your work,
accessing your data on a laptop when away from home or in any other circumstances where an internet connection is not available.
On Tue, 09 Jul 2024 04:17:19 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:
What "vital essential services" would those be?
My concerns are not so much "privacy" as working.
"Vital essential services" would be things like saving your work,
accessing your data on a laptop when away from home or in any other
circumstances where an internet connection is not available.
The problem with the design of the entire Apple ecosystem (which is
different from Windows & Linux & Android) is that you stop logging into the Apple servers, the entire ecosystem stops working the way it's designed.
Very few companies other than Apple can convince dumb users that their devices stop working when you're no longer on the Internet is a good thing.
Previously, I had a Dongle that I'd plug into a USB socket on this same Laptop and, as long as I was with-in 'sight' of a Telco Antenna, I could
talk to the world.
In either case, I considered that I WAS Tethered! Maybe not by a
physical wire, but Tethered none the less.
Are we talking at different things??
Alan wrote on 9/7/24 3:50 am:
On 2024-07-02 01:45, Daniel70 wrote:
But that is no more and no less "tethered" than any other personal
computer using any operating system.
Sorry! Are we talking at different things??
Currently, this Laptop uses its Wi-Fi to connect to a Box at the end of
my Landline Phone-line. If I were to take the Laptop to a Coffee-Bar,
the Wi-Fi would not work .... unless the Coffee-Bar offered Public Wi-Fi >.... but I'd have to obtain the Coffee-Bar Wi-Fi Password first.
Previously, I had a Dongle that I'd plug into a USB socket on this same >Laptop and, as long as I was with-in 'sight' of a Telco Antenna, I could >talk to the world.
In either case, I considered that I WAS Tethered! Maybe not by a
physical wire, but Tethered none the less.
Are we talking at different things??
On 2024-07-08 19:17, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 10:54:12 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-06-30 09:31, Larry Wolff wrote:
It's a worthwhile privacy concern to think about which operating systems >>>> are designed to require logging into the maker's servers for most of the >>>> vital essential services that comprise the core of the operating system. >>>What "vital essential services" would those be?
My concerns are not so much "privacy" as working.
"Vital essential services" would be things like saving your work,
Which works fine saving to the local drive.
accessing your data on a laptop when away from home or in any other
circumstances where an internet connection is not available.
Which works fine as previously stated.
You CAN make use of cloud services on a Mac if you choose to do so.
Off the top of my head:
On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 20:05:20 +1000, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Alan wrote on 9/7/24 3:50 am:
On 2024-07-02 01:45, Daniel70 wrote:
But that is no more and no less "tethered" than any other personal
computer using any operating system.
Sorry! Are we talking at different things??
Currently, this Laptop uses its Wi-Fi to connect to a Box at the end of
my Landline Phone-line. If I were to take the Laptop to a Coffee-Bar,
the Wi-Fi would not work .... unless the Coffee-Bar offered Public Wi-Fi
.... but I'd have to obtain the Coffee-Bar Wi-Fi Password first.
Previously, I had a Dongle that I'd plug into a USB socket on this same
Laptop and, as long as I was with-in 'sight' of a Telco Antenna, I could
talk to the world.
In either case, I considered that I WAS Tethered! Maybe not by a
physical wire, but Tethered none the less.
Are we talking at different things??
Yes, we are talking about different things.
We are talking about computers that are no longer computers, but are
being turned into dumb terminals because they will not perform
functions that a stand-alone computer normall performs, like saving a document, without being tethered, not merely to the Internet, but to a particular site on the internet owned by the vendor of the computer's operating system - like asn Apple computer not working unless it is
linked to the Apple company's web site, or a Microsoft computer not
working unless it is linked to the Microsoft company's web site.
On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 09:23:37 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-07-08 19:17, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 10:54:12 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-06-30 09:31, Larry Wolff wrote:
It's a worthwhile privacy concern to think about which operating systems >>>>> are designed to require logging into the maker's servers for most of the >>>>> vital essential services that comprise the core of the operating system. >>>>What "vital essential services" would those be?
My concerns are not so much "privacy" as working.
"Vital essential services" would be things like saving your work,
Which works fine saving to the local drive.
accessing your data on a laptop when away from home or in any other
circumstances where an internet connection is not available.
Which works fine as previously stated.
You CAN make use of cloud services on a Mac if you choose to do so.
Off the top of my head:
But you have just yourself pointed out that a system with a Mac OS is
an Apple system.
If it is an Apple system, then in my understabnding of logic, it
cannot be non-Apple system. Check the subject line -- we are talking
here about *non-Apple* systems.
If it is an Apple system, then in my understabnding of logic, it
cannot be non-Apple system. Check the subject line -- we are talking
here about *non-Apple* systems.
Because the OP implies that Apple systems won't work well without
logging into Apple's servers...
...and that's bullshit.
Are we talking at different things??
Yes, we are talking about different things.
We are talking about computers that are no longer computers, but are
being turned into dumb terminals because they will not perform
functions that a stand-alone computer normall performs, like saving a document, without being tethered, not merely to the Internet, but to a particular site on the internet owned by the vendor of the computer's operating system - like asn Apple computer not working unless it is
linked to the Apple company's web site, or a Microsoft computer not
working unless it is linked to the Microsoft company's web site.
On 2024-07-09 20:15, Steve Hayes wrote:
We are talking about computers that are no longer computers, but are
being turned into dumb terminals because they will not perform
functions that a stand-alone computer normall performs, like saving a
document, without being tethered, not merely to the Internet, but to a
particular site on the internet owned by the vendor of the computer's
operating system - like asn Apple computer not working unless it is
linked to the Apple company's web site, or a Microsoft computer not
working unless it is linked to the Microsoft company's web site.
There is no Apple computer or device made today that has that problem.
On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 20:36:55 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-07-09 20:15, Steve Hayes wrote:
We are talking about computers that are no longer computers, but are
being turned into dumb terminals because they will not perform
functions that a stand-alone computer normall performs, like saving a
document, without being tethered, not merely to the Internet, but to a
particular site on the internet owned by the vendor of the computer's
operating system - like asn Apple computer not working unless it is
linked to the Apple company's web site, or a Microsoft computer not
working unless it is linked to the Microsoft company's web site.
There is no Apple computer or device made today that has that problem.
There is no Apple computer or device made today that has a non-Apple
common computer operating system.
Oh, I forgot Schrodinger's Apple OS.
Steve Hayes wrote on Wed, 10 Jul 2024 05:15:19 +0200 :
Are we talking at different things??
Yes, we are talking about different things.
We are talking about computers that are no longer computers, but are
being turned into dumb terminals because they will not perform
functions that a stand-alone computer normall performs, like saving a
document, without being tethered, not merely to the Internet, but to a
particular site on the internet owned by the vendor of the computer's
operating system - like asn Apple computer not working unless it is
linked to the Apple company's web site, or a Microsoft computer not
working unless it is linked to the Microsoft company's web site.
While this thread is specifically NOT about the dumb-terminal design of
Apple systems, it's well known to everyone that if you don't log into the Apple servers every moment of every day of the rest of your life, all the "walled-garden" stuff Apple users crow about, suddenly stops working.
Ask me how I know this (see images in the original post proving it).
It needs to be stated that this Alan Baker guy is what most of us would
refer to as a strange Apple religious fundamentalist zealot, who feels his only value in life is to defend Apple to the death, no matter what.
He doesn't even realize he had to log into Apple servers on the Internet
just to create the AppleID which is an Internet requirement that is found
on no other common consumer operating system.
Once he has that Apple ID on the Internet, he doesn't realize all his apps are tied specifically to that unique Apple ID such that no app installer
can be copied to another device (that doesn't have his unique Apple ID).
Again, that every app (even free apps) are locked to his specific ID is a requirement that is found on no other common consumer operating system.
Once he installs that app, which is locked to his Apple ID, if that app is
a key component of the infamous walled garden (such as Messages or
Facetime), then again he has to log into *another* Apple server on the Internet to use all the features of the walled garden he crows about.
It's well known that I have many Apple products where I specifically
decided to NOT log into the Apple Internet servers, where Apple
unilaterally bricks your login after about two years (twice!), and then,
On 7/9/2024 11:37 PM, Alan wrote:
If it is an Apple system, then in my understabnding of logic, it
cannot be non-Apple system. Check the subject line -- we are talking
here about *non-Apple* systems.
Because the OP implies that Apple systems won't work well without
logging into Apple's servers...
...and that's bullshit.
How do iPhone owners install apps without logging into Apple servers?
How do they even set up the iPhone without creating an iCloud account?
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