• Fw: Telegram Founder Pavel Durov Arrested in France

    From noreply@noreply@mixmin.net to alt.privacy on Tuesday, August 27, 2024 16:28:50
    From Newsgroup: alt.privacy

    On 27 Aug 2024 11:48:15 GMT, Julius Bernotas <gaussianblue@tilde.pink> wrote: >Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> writes:
    D. Ray:
    Telegram founder Pavel Durov was arrested in France on
    Saturday allegedly as part of an investigation into his
    platform for not having enough "moderation."

    It is not so much about moderation as about his pricipal
    refusal to disclose the encryption keys to third parties
    (including the Russian government).
    Considering the extensive use of Telegram by the Russian
    military as a means of secure communication on the Ukrainian
    front (for lack of a better one), the sad joke here is the
    they arrested our Chief of Communications. Rumours have it
    that Durov has anticipated his arrest and activated a
    security protocol ensuring the French not get access.

    IIRC Telegram's founder originally fled Russia and went to Israel.
    The Russian authorities had difficulties tracking down people
    who were writing things that were against the official line
    of the regime on Telegram. So the Russian authorities got annoyed
    by Telegram and Telegram's founder had to flee Russia.
    The Russian authorities even slowed down the speed of
    internet connections to Telegram's servers inside Russia
    on February 2022 and in the 6 following months. I wonder
    if the internet speed for connections to Telegram's servers is
    still artificially being slowed down.
    I'm trying to figure out whether
    I understand you correctly. Are you saying that Telegram
    is an official means of communication for the Russian military
    on the Ukrainian front? Or are you saying that Telegram is used
    on the front as a normal means of communication? Used mainly
    by soldiers. To keep in touch with their circle of friends. Any
    people anywhere in the world would use Telegram to keep in touch with
    their circle of friends. Not just Russian soldiers on the Ukrainian
    front. And are you saying that Telegram is not a means of
    communication used by Russian military officials on the
    Ukrainian front? To transmit orders for example.

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    # mnemonic "third part", mutable, siva

    why would anyone, military or otherwise, use open channels, public
    social media for example, to communicate top-secret/sensitive data,
    entrusting corporate criminals with encryption? ...pigs have wings

    as a casual user of remailers for posting to newsgroups, "privacy"
    is a simple matter, because none of the plain text content posted
    to these unmoderated newsgroup forums requires decryption to read;
    but some users may have more serious concerns about prevention of "unauthorized" access to unencrypted content regardless of format
    or function, in such cases "whole message encryption" is strongly
    recommended . . . see https://www.danner-net.de/omom/tutorwme.htm

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  • From The Running Man@running_man@writeable.com to alt.privacy on Wednesday, August 28, 2024 11:01:53
    From Newsgroup: alt.privacy

    On 27/08/2024 17:28 D <noreply@mixmin.net> wrote:
    On 27 Aug 2024 11:48:15 GMT, Julius Bernotas <gaussianblue@tilde.pink> wrote:
    Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> writes:
    D. Ray:
    Telegram founder Pavel Durov was arrested in France on
    Saturday allegedly as part of an investigation into his
    platform for not having enough "moderation."

    It is not so much about moderation as about his pricipal
    refusal to disclose the encryption keys to third parties
    (including the Russian government).
    Considering the extensive use of Telegram by the Russian
    military as a means of secure communication on the Ukrainian
    front (for lack of a better one), the sad joke here is the
    they arrested our Chief of Communications. Rumours have it
    that Durov has anticipated his arrest and activated a
    security protocol ensuring the French not get access.

    IIRC Telegram's founder originally fled Russia and went to Israel.
    The Russian authorities had difficulties tracking down people
    who were writing things that were against the official line
    of the regime on Telegram. So the Russian authorities got annoyed
    by Telegram and Telegram's founder had to flee Russia.
    The Russian authorities even slowed down the speed of
    internet connections to Telegram's servers inside Russia
    on February 2022 and in the 6 following months. I wonder
    if the internet speed for connections to Telegram's servers is
    still artificially being slowed down.
    I'm trying to figure out whether
    I understand you correctly. Are you saying that Telegram
    is an official means of communication for the Russian military
    on the Ukrainian front? Or are you saying that Telegram is used
    on the front as a normal means of communication? Used mainly
    by soldiers. To keep in touch with their circle of friends. Any
    people anywhere in the world would use Telegram to keep in touch with
    their circle of friends. Not just Russian soldiers on the Ukrainian
    front. And are you saying that Telegram is not a means of
    communication used by Russian military officials on the
    Ukrainian front? To transmit orders for example.

    =-6667 Header {^Path: .*news.dfncis.de}
    # mnemonic "third part", mutable, siva

    why would anyone, military or otherwise, use open channels, public
    social media for example, to communicate top-secret/sensitive data, entrusting corporate criminals with encryption? ...pigs have wings

    as a casual user of remailers for posting to newsgroups, "privacy"
    is a simple matter, because none of the plain text content posted
    to these unmoderated newsgroup forums requires decryption to read;
    but some users may have more serious concerns about prevention of "unauthorized" access to unencrypted content regardless of format
    or function, in such cases "whole message encryption" is strongly
    recommended . . . see https://www.danner-net.de/omom/tutorwme.htm


    I was thinking the same thing. WhatsApp is vastly more secure. But it does illustrate that despite Telegram's seat in Qatar it has strong ties with the Russian government.

    Maybe it's time for the U.S. and E.U. authorities to brand Telegram as a "foreign agent" and to ban the app in their territories.

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