• Re: Piece of shit iOS has absolutely zero privacy for God's sake

    From Andrews@andrews@nospam.net to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.privacy on Monday, November 18, 2024 23:42:29
    From Newsgroup: alt.privacy

    Andrews wrote on Sun, 17 Nov 2024 03:55:48 -0000 (UTC) :

    Betcha the Apple trolls don't know that secret.

    It turns out that it's not possible to create a new iCloud account without calling Apple personally and giving them your phone number to verify.

    Not if there is already an iCloud account set up with your Android phone.
    It's impossible to do it from your iPad device. You must talk to Apple.

    And then you must identify yourself to Apple's satisfaction.
    Just to set up an iCloud account on the iPad.

    Which proves there is no privacy with Apple products. None.
    No other operating system vendor has that privacy robbing requirement.

    Not Google. Not Microsoft. Nobody.
    Just Apple.

    All to make their walled-garden work.
    That is, you trade your privacy to get the walled garden to work.

    Great deal.
    For Apple.

    What *they* do, is they set up the Apple account on their side.
    This can only happen if you call them & identify yourself to them.

    Only *after* Apple creates the iCloud account, can you then set it up.
    Even after they've created the iCloud account over the phone, they still require your phone number to verify that iCloud account on the iPad.

    The trick is you can't do it with their iOS system prompts.
    Nope. Won't work.

    You *must* do it through the email app.
    Go figure.

    It's Apple so it doesn't have to make any sense.

    In the end, you *can* create a new iCloud account but you have to trade
    your privacy to do it with Apple products.

    Apple brazenly lies about privacy.
    There is no privacy on Apple products.

    Proof.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/VvtMXcL2/noprivacy01.jpg>
    <https://i.postimg.cc/HLjrQC63/noprivacy02.jpg>
    <https://i.postimg.cc/P57XnvMz/noprivacy03.jpg>
    <https://i.postimg.cc/TPSp0HSx/noprivacy04.jpg>
    <https://i.postimg.cc/1XWx0bCc/noprivacy05.jpg>
    <https://i.postimg.cc/6Q7Q8fQm/noprivacy06.jpg>
    <https://i.postimg.cc/bYRqNBTv/noprivacy07.jpg>
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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to comp.mobile.ipad,alt.privacy,misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Tuesday, November 19, 2024 13:33:58
    From Newsgroup: alt.privacy

    On 2024-11-18 23:42:29 +0000, Andrews said:

    Andrews wrote on Sun, 17 Nov 2024 03:55:48 -0000 (UTC) :

    Betcha the Apple trolls don't know that secret.

    It turns out that it's not possible to create a new iCloud account without calling Apple personally and giving them your phone number to verify.

    Not if there is already an iCloud account set up with your Android phone. It's impossible to do it from your iPad device. You must talk to Apple.

    And then you must identify yourself to Apple's satisfaction.
    Just to set up an iCloud account on the iPad.

    Which proves there is no privacy with Apple products. None.
    No other operating system vendor has that privacy robbing requirement.

    Not Google. Not Microsoft. Nobody.
    Just Apple.

    All to make their walled-garden work.
    That is, you trade your privacy to get the walled garden to work.

    Great deal.
    For Apple.

    What *they* do, is they set up the Apple account on their side.
    This can only happen if you call them & identify yourself to them.

    Only *after* Apple creates the iCloud account, can you then set it up.
    Even after they've created the iCloud account over the phone, they still require your phone number to verify that iCloud account on the iPad.

    The trick is you can't do it with their iOS system prompts.
    Nope. Won't work.

    You *must* do it through the email app.
    Go figure.

    It's Apple so it doesn't have to make any sense.

    In the end, you *can* create a new iCloud account but you have to trade
    your privacy to do it with Apple products.

    Apple brazenly lies about privacy.
    There is no privacy on Apple products.

    Proof.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/VvtMXcL2/noprivacy01.jpg>
    <https://i.postimg.cc/HLjrQC63/noprivacy02.jpg>
    <https://i.postimg.cc/P57XnvMz/noprivacy03.jpg>
    <https://i.postimg.cc/TPSp0HSx/noprivacy04.jpg>
    <https://i.postimg.cc/1XWx0bCc/noprivacy05.jpg>
    <https://i.postimg.cc/6Q7Q8fQm/noprivacy06.jpg>
    <https://i.postimg.cc/bYRqNBTv/noprivacy07.jpg>


    Another brainless moron troll for the killfile. :-\



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  • From Tom Elam@thomas.e.elam@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.privacy on Tuesday, November 19, 2024 09:55:52
    From Newsgroup: alt.privacy

    On 11/18/2024 6:42 PM, Andrews wrote:
    Andrews wrote on Sun, 17 Nov 2024 03:55:48 -0000 (UTC) :

    Betcha the Apple trolls don't know that secret.

    It turns out that it's not possible to create a new iCloud account without calling Apple personally and giving them your phone number to verify.

    Not if there is already an iCloud account set up with your Android phone. It's impossible to do it from your iPad device. You must talk to Apple.

    And then you must identify yourself to Apple's satisfaction.
    Just to set up an iCloud account on the iPad.

    Which proves there is no privacy with Apple products. None.
    No other operating system vendor has that privacy robbing requirement.

    Not Google. Not Microsoft. Nobody.
    Just Apple.

    All to make their walled-garden work.
    That is, you trade your privacy to get the walled garden to work.

    Great deal.
    For Apple.

    What *they* do, is they set up the Apple account on their side.
    This can only happen if you call them & identify yourself to them.

    Only *after* Apple creates the iCloud account, can you then set it up.
    Even after they've created the iCloud account over the phone, they still require your phone number to verify that iCloud account on the iPad.

    The trick is you can't do it with their iOS system prompts.
    Nope. Won't work.

    You *must* do it through the email app.
    Go figure.

    It's Apple so it doesn't have to make any sense.

    In the end, you *can* create a new iCloud account but you have to trade
    your privacy to do it with Apple products.

    Apple brazenly lies about privacy.
    There is no privacy on Apple products.

    Proof.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/VvtMXcL2/noprivacy01.jpg>
    <https://i.postimg.cc/HLjrQC63/noprivacy02.jpg>
    <https://i.postimg.cc/P57XnvMz/noprivacy03.jpg>
    <https://i.postimg.cc/TPSp0HSx/noprivacy04.jpg>
    <https://i.postimg.cc/1XWx0bCc/noprivacy05.jpg>
    <https://i.postimg.cc/6Q7Q8fQm/noprivacy06.jpg>
    <https://i.postimg.cc/bYRqNBTv/noprivacy07.jpg>

    And all that is total bullshit.

    Apple does not ask for

    SSN, Medicare ID, date of birth, address, etc.

    What evidence do you have that providing Apple a phone number
    compromises your privacy? What evidence that the phone number
    compromises anything?

    You never answer my questions. You don't have answers.
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  • From Alan Browne@bitbucket@blackhole.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.privacy on Tuesday, November 19, 2024 13:01:17
    From Newsgroup: alt.privacy

    On 2024-11-19 09:55, Tom Elam wrote:

    Apple does not ask for

    SSN, Medicare ID, date of birth, address, etc.

    What evidence do you have that providing Apple a phone number
    compromises your privacy? What evidence that the phone number
    compromises anything?


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  • From Andrews@andrews@nospam.net to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.privacy on Tuesday, November 19, 2024 21:55:16
    From Newsgroup: alt.privacy

    Alan Browne wrote on Tue, 19 Nov 2024 13:01:17 -0500 :

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    The Apple trolls are Alan Browne, Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne,
    Chris, Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, Your Name, et al. who know nothing about Apple products.

    None of them realize only Apple forces you to trade your privacy for the privilege of installing apps.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/hvhgB91S/update01.jpg> iPadOS 16.3.1 is available
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Qtfsw654/update02.jpg> 16.3.1 Update Requested
    <https://i.postimg.cc/vmLGL8md/update03.jpg> About 10 minutes remaining
    <https://i.postimg.cc/d11gkJk6/update04.jpg> Preparing Update
    <https://i.postimg.cc/rw1B7n21/update05.jpg> Downloaded
    <https://i.postimg.cc/yN7MKm7w/update06.jpg> Finish Setting Up iPad
    <https://i.postimg.cc/13DSsRwN/update07.jpg> More for your iPad
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Xv80B22j/update08.jpg> Update Apple ID Settings
    <https://i.postimg.cc/TYLGNJP0/update09.jpg> iPadOS Version 16.3.1
    <https://i.postimg.cc/L509Yy8Y/update10.jpg> Sign in to iCloud
    <https://i.postimg.cc/zvfDfm8Y/update11.jpg> Finished Setting up iPad
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Z5Nbnxtn/update12.jpg> Verifying update...

    Microsoft doesn't do that.
    Neither does Google.

    Just Apple.

    That's a fact.
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  • From Andrews@andrews@nospam.net to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.privacy on Tuesday, November 19, 2024 21:55:35
    From Newsgroup: alt.privacy

    Tom Elam wrote on Tue, 19 Nov 2024 09:55:52 -0500 :

    And all that is total bullshit.

    I'm going to respond to this particular Apple troll, Tom Elam,
    as if he owns the mentality of an adult. Is that OK with you Tom?

    Since you called well-established facts "bullshit", what exactly are you claiming is "bullshit" since I provided all necessary details, including screenshots, proving Apple *requires* your personal phone number in order
    to set up an iCloud account which is needed to download apps for the iPad.

    Why do you Apple trolls call that "bullshit"?
    Is it because you don't believe it?
    If so, that means you're completely ignorant of how the walled garden
    works.

    Or, is it because you don't like it?

    Then you're just being an ignorant troll by claiming the earth is flat.
    Simply because you don't like that it's round.

    The fact is only Apple forces you to trade your privacy for the privilege
    of installing apps. Google doesn't do it. Microsoft doesn't either.

    Just Apple.
    That's a fact.

    You can call that fact "bullshit", but then, as an adult, I ask why.

    Apple does not ask for

    SSN, Medicare ID, date of birth, address, etc.

    Huh? Nobody said they did. And yet, they do. Apple *requires* your
    government ID whenever you stop logging into your iPad, which you Apple
    trolls are unaware that you're logging into the Apple servers every day.

    Yes. You heard that correctly. Only Apple requires your government issue iD
    to unlock an iPad that Apple unilaterally bricked simply because you
    stopped logging into it for two years (this happened on two different
    iPads!).
    <https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg> Apple _forces_ a log in!
    <https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Apple tracks your activity
    <https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg> Apps become non functional
    <https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Y9kkj19v/appleid12.jpg> Apple tracking server login

    What's interesting is you Apple trolls know nothing about Apple.
    Why don't you Apple trolls know anything about how Apple really works?

    What evidence do you have that providing Apple a phone number
    compromises your privacy? What evidence that the phone number
    compromises anything?

    Huh? It's your phone number. Only you. Nobody else. If you don't understand that it compromises your privacy, then let me ask you why you think NOBODY
    BUT APPLE does this? Nobody. Not Google. Not Microsoft. Just Apple.

    Do you Apple trolls understand anything at the level an adult should?

    Why, Tom Elam, do you think only Apple requires your phone number in order
    to install apps - when NOBODY else who makes an OS requires your privacy?

    You never answer my questions. You don't have answers.

    You make that claim without even realizing I know more about Apple than all
    of you Apple trolls combined do - since NONE of you even know that you're logging into Apple mainframe servers every single moment of every day of
    the rest of your natural life. You don't know that. You think you're not.

    But you are.

    <https://i.postimg.cc/hvhgB91S/update01.jpg> iPadOS 16.3.1 is available
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Qtfsw654/update02.jpg> 16.3.1 Update Requested
    <https://i.postimg.cc/vmLGL8md/update03.jpg> About 10 minutes remaining
    <https://i.postimg.cc/d11gkJk6/update04.jpg> Preparing Update
    <https://i.postimg.cc/rw1B7n21/update05.jpg> Downloaded
    <https://i.postimg.cc/yN7MKm7w/update06.jpg> Finish Setting Up iPad
    <https://i.postimg.cc/13DSsRwN/update07.jpg> More for your iPad
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Xv80B22j/update08.jpg> Update Apple ID Settings
    <https://i.postimg.cc/TYLGNJP0/update09.jpg> iPadOS Version 16.3.1
    <https://i.postimg.cc/L509Yy8Y/update10.jpg> Sign in to iCloud
    <https://i.postimg.cc/zvfDfm8Y/update11.jpg> Finished Setting up iPad
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Z5Nbnxtn/update12.jpg> Verifying update...

    Only Apple forces you to trade your privacy for the privilege of installing apps. Google doesn't do it. Neither does Microsoft. Just Apple.

    Why is that a fact, Tom Elam?
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  • From Andrews@andrews@nospam.net to comp.mobile.ipad,misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.privacy on Tuesday, November 19, 2024 21:55:56
    From Newsgroup: alt.privacy

    Alan Browne wrote on Tue, 19 Nov 2024 13:02:47 -0500 :

    Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it.

    Answering it feeds it.

    The fact you use "it" shows your child-like developmental status.

    You think it "hurts" me when you Apple trolls hurl kindergarten insults
    just because you hate the fact that you traded your privacy to Apple for
    the privilege of downloading apps in Apple's walled garden.

    All you prove by using "it" is that your mind is that of a child.

    And by doing so, you Apple trolls completely miss the *adult* point that
    only Apple forces you to trade your privacy in order to download apps.

    Nobody else does that. Just Apple.
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  • From Andrews@andrews@nospam.net to comp.mobile.ipad,misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.privacy on Tuesday, November 19, 2024 21:56:19
    From Newsgroup: alt.privacy

    Peter Piper wrote on Tue, 19 Nov 2024 16:34:18 -0000 :

    This is not "another" troll. It is the same Arlen, making you dance
    simply by changing its posting name.

    Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it. It will simply change its name when it wants you to feed it again.

    Three points for all you uneducated low-IQ ignorant Apple trolls...

    a) I've been posting to Usenet for decades - where only you child-like
    Apple trolls think I post for your affection (or even your response).

    b) You Apple trolls use the word "it" for a person which shows clearly
    your mentality is that of a small child as you think it hurts my
    feelings (the fact you think that shows me how low your IQ is).

    c) The topic is apropos since I proved there is no privacy on Apple
    devices because you must trade your privacy to get into the walled
    garden.

    You ignorant low-IQ uneducated Apple trolls hate these facts.
    So be it.

    FACT:

    Only Apple forces you to trade your privacy for the privilege of installing apps. Nobody else does. Not Microsoft. Not Google. Nobody but Apple.
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.privacy on Tuesday, November 19, 2024 14:23:20
    From Newsgroup: alt.privacy

    On 2024-11-19 13:55, Andrews wrote:
    Tom Elam wrote on Tue, 19 Nov 2024 09:55:52 -0500 :

    And all that is total bullshit.

    I'm going to respond to this particular Apple troll, Tom Elam,
    as if he owns the mentality of an adult. Is that OK with you Tom?

    Since you called well-established facts "bullshit", what exactly are you claiming is "bullshit" since I provided all necessary details, including screenshots, proving Apple *requires* your personal phone number in order
    to set up an iCloud account which is needed to download apps for the iPad.

    Why do you Apple trolls call that "bullshit"?
    Is it because you don't believe it?
    If so, that means you're completely ignorant of how the walled garden
    works.

    Or, is it because you don't like it?

    Then you're just being an ignorant troll by claiming the earth is flat. Simply because you don't like that it's round.

    The fact is only Apple forces you to trade your privacy for the privilege
    of installing apps. Google doesn't do it. Microsoft doesn't either.

    Just Apple.
    That's a fact.

    You can call that fact "bullshit", but then, as an adult, I ask why.

    Apple does not ask for

    SSN, Medicare ID, date of birth, address, etc.

    Huh? Nobody said they did. And yet, they do. Apple *requires* your
    government ID whenever you stop logging into your iPad, which you Apple trolls are unaware that you're logging into the Apple servers every day.

    Yes. You heard that correctly. Only Apple requires your government issue iD to unlock an iPad that Apple unilaterally bricked simply because you
    stopped logging into it for two years (this happened on two different iPads!).
    <https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg> Apple _forces_ a log in!
    <https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Apple tracks your activity
    <https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg> Apps become non functional
    <https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Y9kkj19v/appleid12.jpg> Apple tracking server login

    What's interesting is you Apple trolls know nothing about Apple.
    Why don't you Apple trolls know anything about how Apple really works?

    What evidence do you have that providing Apple a phone number
    compromises your privacy? What evidence that the phone number
    compromises anything?

    Huh? It's your phone number. Only you. Nobody else. If you don't understand that it compromises your privacy, then let me ask you why you think NOBODY BUT APPLE does this? Nobody. Not Google. Not Microsoft. Just Apple.

    Do you Apple trolls understand anything at the level an adult should?

    Why, Tom Elam, do you think only Apple requires your phone number in order
    to install apps - when NOBODY else who makes an OS requires your privacy?

    You never answer my questions. You don't have answers.

    You make that claim without even realizing I know more about Apple than all of you Apple trolls combined do - since NONE of you even know that you're logging into Apple mainframe servers every single moment of every day of
    the rest of your natural life. You don't know that. You think you're not.

    But you are.

    <https://i.postimg.cc/hvhgB91S/update01.jpg> iPadOS 16.3.1 is available
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Qtfsw654/update02.jpg> 16.3.1 Update Requested
    <https://i.postimg.cc/vmLGL8md/update03.jpg> About 10 minutes remaining
    <https://i.postimg.cc/d11gkJk6/update04.jpg> Preparing Update
    <https://i.postimg.cc/rw1B7n21/update05.jpg> Downloaded
    <https://i.postimg.cc/yN7MKm7w/update06.jpg> Finish Setting Up iPad
    <https://i.postimg.cc/13DSsRwN/update07.jpg> More for your iPad
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Xv80B22j/update08.jpg> Update Apple ID Settings
    <https://i.postimg.cc/TYLGNJP0/update09.jpg> iPadOS Version 16.3.1
    <https://i.postimg.cc/L509Yy8Y/update10.jpg> Sign in to iCloud
    <https://i.postimg.cc/zvfDfm8Y/update11.jpg> Finished Setting up iPad
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Z5Nbnxtn/update12.jpg> Verifying update...

    Only Apple forces you to trade your privacy for the privilege of installing apps. Google doesn't do it. Neither does Microsoft. Just Apple.

    Why is that a fact, Tom Elam?

    Google forces you to provide your date of birth and gender...
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