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Are cops racist?

Thomas Sowell


In much of the liberal media, large-scale confrontations between
police and people who are breaking the law are usually reported in one
of two ways. Either the police used "excessive force" or they "let the situation get out of hand."


Any force sufficient to prevent the situation from getting out of hand
will be called "excessive." And if the police arrive in large enough
numbers to squelch disorder without the need for force, then sending
in so many cops will be called "over-reacting." After all, with so
little resistance to the police, why were so many cops necessary? Such
is the mindset of the media.

Add the volatile factor of race and the media will have a field day.
If an incident involves a white cop and a black criminal, you don't
need to know the facts to know how liberals in the media will react.
You can predict the words and the music.

Heather Mac Donald of the Manhattan Institute does have the facts,
however, in her new book, Are Cops Racist? <purchase> <read
Townhall.com's review> Unfortunately, those who most need to read this
book are the least likely to do so. They have made up their minds and
don't want to be confused by facts.

For the rest of us, this is a very enlightening and very readable
little book. Ms. Mac Donald first tackles the issue of "racial
profiling" by the police and shows what shoddy and even silly
statistical methods were used to gin up hysteria. Then she moves on to
police shootings and other law-enforcement issues.

Suppose I were to tell you that, despite the fact that blacks are just
11 percent of the American population, more than half the men fined
for misconduct while playing professional basketball are black -- and
concluded that this shows the NBA to be racist. What would your
reaction be?

"Wait a minute!" you might say. "More than half the players in the NBA
are black. So that 11 percent statistic is irrelevant."

That is exactly what is wrong with "racial profiling" statistics. It
is based on blacks as a percentage of the population, rather than
blacks as a percentage of the people who do the kinds of things that
cause police to stop people and question them.

A professor of statistics who pointed this out was -- all too
predictably -- denounced as a "racist." Other statisticians kept quiet
for fear of being smeared the same way. We have now reached the
dangerous point where ignorance can silence knowledge and where facts
get squelched by beliefs.

Heather Mac Donald also goes into facts involving police shootings,
especially when the cops are white and the suspect is black. Here
again, an education awaits those who are willing to be educated.

People in the media are forever expressing surprise at how many
bullets were fired in some of these police shootings. As someone who
once taught pistol shooting in the Marine Corps, I am not the least
bit surprised.

What surprises me is how many people whose ignorance of shooting is
obvious do not let their ignorance stand in the way of reaching
sweeping conclusions about situations that they have never faced. To
some, it is just a question of taking sides. If it is a white cop and
a black suspect, then that is all they feel a need to know.

The greatest contribution of this book is in making painfully clear
the actual consequences of cop-bashing in the media and in politics.
The police respond to incentives, like everyone else.

If carrying out their duties in the way that gets the job done best is
going to bring down on their heads a chorus of media outrage that can
threaten their whole careers, many cops tend to back off. And who pays
the price of their backing off? Mainly those blacks who are victims of
the criminals in their midst.

Drug dealers and other violent criminals have been the beneficiaries
of reduced police activity and of liberal judges throwing out their
convictions because of "racial profiling." These criminals go back to
the black community -- not the affluent, suburban and often gated
communities where journalists, judges, and politicians live.

The subtitle of Are Cops Racist? is: "How the War Against the Police
Harms Black Americans."
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In article <6930a3c6.0307310725.4af28d5f@posting.google.com>, mejercit@hotmail.com (Michael Ejercito) wrote:

-Are cops racist?
-
-Thomas Sowell
-
-
-In much of the liberal media, large-scale confrontations between
-police and people who are breaking the law are usually reported in one
-of two ways. Either the police used "excessive force" or they "let the -situation get out of hand."
-
-
-Any force sufficient to prevent the situation from getting out of hand
-will be called "excessive." And if the police arrive in large enough
-numbers to squelch disorder without the need for force, then sending
-in so many cops will be called "over-reacting." After all, with so
-little resistance to the police, why were so many cops necessary? Such
-is the mindset of the media.
-

Does this mean now that we are now going to hear right-wingers stop
bitching about Ruby Ridge and Waco?

Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
http://Rainbow-Christian.tk

The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
http://Ninure-Saunders.tk

My Yahoo Group
http://Ninure.tk

My Online Diary
http://www.ninure.deardiary.net
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On 31 Jul 2003 08:25:43 -0700, mejercit@hotmail.com (Michael Ejercito)
wrote:

Are cops racist?

Thomas Sowell

In much of the liberal media, large-scale confrontations between
police and people who are breaking the law are usually reported in one
of two ways. Either the police used "excessive force" or they "let the >situation get out of hand."

Any force sufficient to prevent the situation from getting out of hand
will be called "excessive." And if the police arrive in large enough
numbers to squelch disorder without the need for force, then sending
in so many cops will be called "over-reacting." After all, with so
little resistance to the police, why were so many cops necessary? Such
is the mindset of the media.

Add the volatile factor of race and the media will have a field day.
If an incident involves a white cop and a black criminal, you don't
need to know the facts to know how liberals in the media will react.
You can predict the words and the music.

Heather Mac Donald of the Manhattan Institute does have the facts,
however, in her new book, Are Cops Racist? <purchase> <read
Townhall.com's review> Unfortunately, those who most need to read this
book are the least likely to do so. They have made up their minds and
don't want to be confused by facts.

For the rest of us, this is a very enlightening and very readable
little book. Ms. Mac Donald first tackles the issue of "racial
profiling" by the police and shows what shoddy and even silly
statistical methods were used to gin up hysteria. Then she moves on to
police shootings and other law-enforcement issues.

Suppose I were to tell you that, despite the fact that blacks are just
11 percent of the American population, more than half the men fined
for misconduct while playing professional basketball are black -- and >concluded that this shows the NBA to be racist. What would your
reaction be?

"Wait a minute!" you might say. "More than half the players in the NBA
are black. So that 11 percent statistic is irrelevant."

That is exactly what is wrong with "racial profiling" statistics. It
is based on blacks as a percentage of the population, rather than
blacks as a percentage of the people who do the kinds of things that
cause police to stop people and question them.

A professor of statistics who pointed this out was -- all too
predictably -- denounced as a "racist." Other statisticians kept quiet
for fear of being smeared the same way. We have now reached the
dangerous point where ignorance can silence knowledge and where facts
get squelched by beliefs.

Heather Mac Donald also goes into facts involving police shootings, >especially when the cops are white and the suspect is black. Here
again, an education awaits those who are willing to be educated.

People in the media are forever expressing surprise at how many
bullets were fired in some of these police shootings. As someone who
once taught pistol shooting in the Marine Corps, I am not the least
bit surprised.

What surprises me is how many people whose ignorance of shooting is
obvious do not let their ignorance stand in the way of reaching
sweeping conclusions about situations that they have never faced. To
some, it is just a question of taking sides. If it is a white cop and
a black suspect, then that is all they feel a need to know.

The greatest contribution of this book is in making painfully clear
the actual consequences of cop-bashing in the media and in politics.
The police respond to incentives, like everyone else.

If carrying out their duties in the way that gets the job done best is
going to bring down on their heads a chorus of media outrage that can >threaten their whole careers, many cops tend to back off. And who pays
the price of their backing off? Mainly those blacks who are victims of
the criminals in their midst.

Drug dealers and other violent criminals have been the beneficiaries
of reduced police activity and of liberal judges throwing out their >convictions because of "racial profiling." These criminals go back to
the black community -- not the affluent, suburban and often gated
communities where journalists, judges, and politicians live.

The subtitle of Are Cops Racist? is: "How the War Against the Police
Harms Black Americans."

I'm not buying it. Not only do police ACTIVELY harm Black people,
they harm Black people by intentional INACTIVITY.

I've seen police, upon discovering that suspects in a crime in a Black neighborhood were White, leave the scene of the crime, heading 180deg.
from the suspects' line of march.

Here in the Cleveland area, police have refused to respond to multiple
requests for assistance from a Black woman whose home was surrounded
by a rock and bottle throwing mob of drunken Whites.

During the L.A. riots, Black residents who rescued White trucker
Reginald Denney, were ignored in their repeated attempts to seek
assistance for Denny from police fleeing headlong from the area.

A Black citizen in Chicago who defends himself from a Black criminal
with a handgun will be prosecuted. A White citizen who does likewise
will be released and given his gun back.

The "Good Old Boys Roundup" wasn't put on by Blacks. It was put on by
White BATF agents, on government time, using government resources.

Race places a central role in the highway robbery gangs operated by
police departments working the highways leading to Florida.

Do Black people do bad things to Black people? Yes. Do the police
spare much effort to exploit such behaviors? No.
--
"And your comment would make it appear that you are a typically moronic nigger." - George Leroy Tyrebiter Jr. (porgy@commiemartyrs.edu)
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"Ninure Saunders" <RainbowChristiannohate@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:RainbowChristiannohate-3107031142110001@h-68-164-15-188.chcgilgm.covad.net...

In article <6930a3c6.0307310725.4af28d5f@posting.google.com>, mejercit@hotmail.com (Michael Ejercito) wrote:

-Are cops racist?
-
-Thomas Sowell
-
-
-In much of the liberal media, large-scale confrontations between
-police and people who are breaking the law are usually reported in one
-of two ways. Either the police used "excessive force" or they "let the -situation get out of hand."
-
-
-Any force sufficient to prevent the situation from getting out of hand
-will be called "excessive." And if the police arrive in large enough -numbers to squelch disorder without the need for force, then sending
-in so many cops will be called "over-reacting." After all, with so
-little resistance to the police, why were so many cops necessary? Such
-is the mindset of the media.
-

Does this mean now that we are now going to hear right-wingers stop
bitching about Ruby Ridge and Waco?

Right wingers bitching about Waco>...........no I think what happen is what they asked for!

Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
http://Rainbow-Christian.tk

The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
http://Ninure-Saunders.tk

My Yahoo Group
http://Ninure.tk

My Online Diary
http://www.ninure.deardiary.net
-
Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches http://www.MCCchurch.org

To send e-mail, remove nohate from address

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RainbowChristiannohate@hotmail.com (Ninure Saunders) wrote in message news:<RainbowChristiannohate-3107031142110001@h-68-164-15-188.chcgilgm.covad.net>...

In article <6930a3c6.0307310725.4af28d5f@posting.google.com>, mejercit@hotmail.com (Michael Ejercito) wrote:

-Are cops racist?
-
-Thomas Sowell
-
-
-In much of the liberal media, large-scale confrontations between
-police and people who are breaking the law are usually reported in one
-of two ways. Either the police used "excessive force" or they "let the -situation get out of hand."
-
-
-Any force sufficient to prevent the situation from getting out of hand
-will be called "excessive." And if the police arrive in large enough -numbers to squelch disorder without the need for force, then sending
-in so many cops will be called "over-reacting." After all, with so
-little resistance to the police, why were so many cops necessary? Such
-is the mindset of the media.
-

Does this mean now that we are now going to hear right-wingers stop
bitching about Ruby Ridge and Waco?

We know there are real cases of police misconduct, such as the
killings of Mark Clark and Fred Hampton. That does not exucse the
media presuming the police to be guilty.


Michael
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:41:43 -0700, "Just a Cyclist"
<popo@copwatch.com> ranted:

Does this mean now that we are now going to hear right-wingers stop
bitching about Ruby Ridge and Waco?

Right wingers bitching about Waco>...........no I think what happen is what >they asked for!

Killer Janet Reno is a right winger? Really?

Ken (NY)
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