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"Peter Watson" <paw77@N_O_hotmail_S_P_A_M.com> wrote in message news:fxyNa.1248$s_5.16319@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

"Charlie" <charlied@NOSPAMbboard.com> wrote in message news:be4jn90251m@enews3.newsguy.com...

I never did find out how the PC data was stored on the ProDOS file.

The PC-Transporter ProDOS file(s) are quite simply a block for block image
of an MS-DOS partition. The second file (if present) simply starts at the "next" block following the first file.

For what it's worth, both the original MS-DOS Utilities and the MUG! NDA

can

read and write files on PC-Transporter Hard Disk partitions.

I have a damaged PCT which can no longer access the floppy port(s).
is there a way I could create a DOS partition on a GS hdd and then get the thing to boot MessyDos off the GS, either directly or after booting the
Start Up floppy on the Apple 3.5 drive ?

also is it possible to get files from the PC to the MSDOS partition (file)
via Appletalk and diskless operation ? or is that what MUG does ?

Mark



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"Mark Cummings" <NOTfigjams@primus.com.au> wrote in message news:3f103129_1@news.iprimus.com.au...

I have a damaged PCT which can no longer access the floppy port(s).
is there a way I could create a DOS partition on a GS hdd and then get the thing to boot MessyDos off the GS, either directly or after booting the
Start Up floppy on the Apple 3.5 drive ?

As far as I know (I don't actually have a PCT), that is the whole purpose of having the hard disk files on the GS!

also is it possible to get files from the PC to the MSDOS partition (file) via Appletalk and diskless operation ? or is that what MUG does ?

"From the PC" - do you mean a physically separate PC box?

The point of MUG! is to read and write files from any MS-DOS disk that the
GS can read. For example, a SuperDrive, a Zip disk, or a PCT-attached floppy
or hard disk file. So I guess you could read the files from a PC disk onto
the GS, then copy them to the PCT hard disk file.

I have no idea if you could use Appletalk to connect to a PC, although I
know it can be done with a Mac. Others here may have tried it and can answer the question. If it works, then you would save the step of using MUG! to
copy the files to the GS.
--
Peter Watson
-- Write to MSDOS disks on the Apple IIgs?
-- Impossible! ;-)


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"Peter Watson" <paw77@N_O_hotmail_S_P_A_M.com> wrote in message news:xwWPa.2159$wU5.708@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

"Mark Cummings" <NOTfigjams@primus.com.au> wrote in message news:3f103129_1@news.iprimus.com.au...

I have a damaged PCT which can no longer access the floppy port(s).
is there a way I could create a DOS partition on a GS hdd and then get

the

thing to boot MessyDos off the GS, either directly or after booting the Start Up floppy on the Apple 3.5 drive ?

< snippet >

I have no idea if you could use Appletalk to connect to a PC, although I
know it can be done with a Mac. Others here may have tried it and can

answer

the question. If it works, then you would save the step of using MUG! to
copy the files to the GS.

Actually I have mine serial printer lines IIgs to Mac with LocalTalk, then
to PC over ethernet line with AppleTalk. Both require AppleShare. PC
must have AppleTalk software, I use PC-MacLan. I will be attempting soon
a direct connection between PC serial port and IIgs modem port using
TCP/IP (Marinetti) and see what I can get out of that. I can see both the
Mac and PC on IIgs, and PC on Mac and Mac on PC, so far neither the
Mac nor PC can see the IIgs, apparently due to lack of file server software
for the GS. I'll let you know how I progress with the PC to IIgs connection.

Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprises };-)
Web Site - http://garberstreet.netfirms.com
Email - willy46pa@comcast.net



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"Mark Cummings" <NOTfigjams@primus.com.au> wrote in message news:3f114980_1@news.iprimus.com.au...

I can get files onto the GS HDD via Appletalk, but not sure how I would

get

them into the MSDOS partition (ie ProDOS file acting as the MSDOS HDD)

That's what you use MUG! for.

I guess my main problem is in how to create the MSDOS partition on the GS ProDOS HDD, then which files I need to transfer to the GS from the 5.25" MSDOS disks I have, since my TransDrives are useless now.

Hmm, it's sort of a Catch-22 for you as I *think* you need to create the
MSDOS partition (or at least format it) from the PC side, but you have
nothing to boot the PC side with!

Maybe somebody with a PCT could create a small partition for you, copy on
the required files to boot into MSDOS and format the partition (if
necessary), then shrink it and email it to you. It wouldn't have to be very big, just a few hundred Kb before compression.

--
Peter Watson
-- Write to MSDOS disks on the Apple IIgs?
-- Impossible! ;-)



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"Peter Watson" <paw77@N_O_hotmail_S_P_A_M.com> wrote in message news:pzdQa.3098$wU5.696@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

"Mark Cummings" <NOTfigjams@primus.com.au> wrote in message news:3f114980_1@news.iprimus.com.au...

I can get files onto the GS HDD via Appletalk, but not sure how I would

get

them into the MSDOS partition (ie ProDOS file acting as the MSDOS HDD)

That's what you use MUG! for.

ahhh, got it. well I will get it after I download it :)

I guess my main problem is in how to create the MSDOS partition on the

GS

ProDOS HDD, then which files I need to transfer to the GS from the 5.25" MSDOS disks I have, since my TransDrives are useless now.

Hmm, it's sort of a Catch-22 for you as I *think* you need to create the MSDOS partition (or at least format it) from the PC side, but you have nothing to boot the PC side with!

yes, this is the dilema now. it used to work before I cooked the PCT (accidently). I never actually got to making a MSDOS partition on my HD
because I didn't have any docs with my card. At least not until Wayne
Stewart came to the rescue with his .pdf's, but by that time it was too
late.

Maybe somebody with a PCT could create a small partition for you, copy on
the required files to boot into MSDOS and format the partition (if necessary), then shrink it and email it to you. It wouldn't have to be

very

big, just a few hundred Kb before compression.

this idea had occured to me, but if it was created small that would
basically limit it to that size ?, or can it be made bigger later on ?
I was still curious as to whether I could create the partition myself and
copy the MSDOS files across to create a bootable partition. say I want to
make MSDOS 3.3, 4.0 or MSDOS 5.0, or whatever I happen to have on system floppys.

thanks for the help.

Mark


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"Mark Cummings" <NOTfigjams@primus.com.au> wrote in message news:3f12bf30_1@news.iprimus.com.au...

Maybe somebody with a PCT could create a small partition for you, copy

on

the required files to boot into MSDOS and format the partition (if necessary), then shrink it and email it to you. It wouldn't have to be

very

big, just a few hundred Kb before compression.

this idea had occured to me, but if it was created small that would
basically limit it to that size ?, or can it be made bigger later on ?

I don't *think* you can increase the size, but it probably doesn't matter.
I'm fairly sure the main issue is that you could create *another* (larger) partition file later!

I was still curious as to whether I could create the partition myself and copy the MSDOS files across to create a bootable partition. say I want to make MSDOS 3.3, 4.0 or MSDOS 5.0, or whatever I happen to have on system floppys.

As I've said before, I don't have a PCT or the docs, but it sounds like you
do. Doesn't it tell you how to create a partition?
--
Peter Watson
-- Write to MSDOS disks on the Apple IIgs?
-- Impossible! ;-)


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"Peter Watson" <paw77@N_O_hotmail_S_P_A_M.com> wrote in message news:USUQa.5781$wU5.4615@news-
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As I've said before, I don't have a PCT or the docs, but it sounds like

you

do. Doesn't it tell you how to create a partition?

quickly scrambles through Waynes .pdf...

ahh, it looks like it is possible, I had always assumed that the PCT had to have at least one Transdrive connected as the minimum configuration is drawn
in with one Transdrive, and mine was working with two originally, although
not configured for HDD.
BUT, the proceedure for setting up the ProDOS drive/MSDOS volume seems to indicate otherwise. looks to me like the minimum config is One Apple 3.5
drive on the GS drive port to set up the rest of the system, and later it doesn't even seem as though the 3.5 is needed as the PCT can be booted from ProDOS then MSDOS all off the HDD. Can anyone confirm if this is right ?

looks like I have quite a bit of printing and reading to do, as I havn't actually made a manual yet and my PCT didn't come with one. 214 pages... hmm could be a week or two away.

Mark


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"Mark Cummings" <NOTfigjams@primus.com.au> wrote in message news:3f1552ba_1@news.iprimus.com.au...

"Peter Watson" <paw77@N_O_hotmail_S_P_A_M.com> wrote in message news:USUQa.5781$wU5.4615@news-
server.bigpond.net.au...

As I've said before, I don't have a PCT or the docs, but it sounds like

you

do. Doesn't it tell you how to create a partition?

quickly scrambles through Waynes .pdf...

ahh, it looks like it is possible, I had always assumed that the PCT had to have at least one Transdrive connected as the minimum configuration is drawn in with one Transdrive, and mine was working with two originally, although not configured for HDD.
BUT, the proceedure for setting up the ProDOS drive/MSDOS volume seems to indicate otherwise. looks to me like the minimum config is One Apple 3.5 drive on the GS drive port to set up the rest of the system, and later it doesn't even seem as though the 3.5 is needed as the PCT can be booted from ProDOS then MSDOS all off the HDD. Can anyone confirm if this is right ?

Well, lets see, scrink, scrink, scrink, bonk (sound of drive connector being disconnected from PC Transporter and then GS booting). Now, booting PC Transporter from hard drive image file on ProDOS partition. OK, confirmed, you can boot MS/DOS (version 5.0) from the hard drive image without any floppy drive connected to the PC Transporter.

Its been quite a while (8 to 10 years) since I set up an MS/DOS disk image so I won't pretend to remember how you go about it.

The PC Transporter does come with a PC program called "Transfer.exe" that can be used to move files back and forth between ProDOS and the MS/DOS disk image and as Peter says MUG will do the same from the Apple end.

Incidentally, I have never used a Transdrive with the PC Transporter. I just plug my Apple 3.5" 800K drive into the PC Transporter port (do not do this with a 3.5" UniDisk) and use it for both ProDOS and MS/DOS. Have you tried that?

Charlie






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"Charlie" <charlied@NOSPAMbboard.com> wrote in message news:bf46pi03087@enews3.newsguy.com...

Well, lets see, scrink, scrink, scrink, bonk (sound of drive connector

being

disconnected from PC Transporter and then GS booting). Now, booting PC Transporter from hard drive image file on ProDOS partition. OK,

confirmed, you

can boot MS/DOS (version 5.0) from the hard drive image without any floppy drive connected to the PC Transporter.

excellent, it will be worth my while making the manual now and setting up
the drive.

The PC Transporter does come with a PC program called "Transfer.exe" that

can

be used to move files back and forth between ProDOS and the MS/DOS disk

image

and as Peter says MUG will do the same from the Apple end.

good, a bit like Muffin and Niffum in the old DOS 3.2 DOS 3.3 days.

Incidentally, I have never used a Transdrive with the PC Transporter. I

just

plug my Apple 3.5" 800K drive into the PC Transporter port (do not do this

with

a 3.5" UniDisk) and use it for both ProDOS and MS/DOS. Have you tried

that?

unfortunately, as I said the drive controller chip on the PCT is cooked as
far as I can establish by the unusual bump on it (that wasn't there when it
was working). and it's not your commonly available TTL or CMOS chip,
otherwise I would have fixed it by now. and micro-minature repair techniques are no good either at this size. sigh :(

Mark


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