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A Woz Edition IIGS.

Pristine other than one of those tinfoil-looking tags that says it was
once in a school lab. Came complete with the big memory exapansion card
with DIP sockets so you can add RAM (1/4 populated with soldered down
chips, the sockets all empty) ADB rodent (square type - "Apple ADB
Mouse") and Apple 3.5 inch drive, daisy-chained onto an AE 5.25 drive.

As of the moment it's untested, but physically near mint. I strongly
suspect that it'll fire right up, but haven't gotten around to digging
out a power cable, and have *ZERO* softwrare for putting it through it's paces.

Presumably never hit the dirt, as it was neatly stacked into a corner of
the shipping container that they've got designated for monitors and old electronics, and is nearly sparkling clean, with no physical damage of
any kind .

Assuming it's functional (which could, I guess, be assuming a lot),
anybody got a ballpark number for value (or an offer to buy) for it?
Don't say "go look at eBay" if you've got an answer. Wading through the graphics-disaster that eBay has become is more effort that the result is worth, particularly across this cocktail straw of a connection I'm stuck calling my internet connection.

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Don Bruder wrote:

Assuming it's functional (which could, I guess, be assuming a lot),
anybody got a ballpark number for value (or an offer to buy) for it?
Don't say "go look at eBay" if you've got an answer. Wading through the graphics-disaster that eBay has become is more effort that the result is worth, particularly across this cocktail straw of a connection I'm stuck calling my internet connection.

To be honest, they seem to be fetching about $20-30 generally. The Woz
edition isn't that rare and people get more use out of a ROM 01 or 03 (non-upgraded Woz's are ROM 00, and actually are quite thin on the ground).

Don't know about the AE drive, the 3.5" one seems to be a $10 item - I
want another but shipping is expensive :/

Richard (building a nice IIgs system in the UK is an expensive task. I
can't remember what I paid for the whole lot but I suspect it's around
$450 - for my ROM 01 (Freeish) upgraded to ROM 03 with 5Mb RAM ($90),
TWGS ($120), AE Audio Animator ($100), RamFAST Rev. D ($90), 3.5", 2 x
5.25" ($60, or maybe $20 depending in the UK or US source I got drives
from) and a 2nd hand Woz case (Workstation card) which means I actually
end up with another ROM 01 machine!).
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In article <2sasjrF1itpmuU1@uni-berlin.de>,
RichardK-PB <atari@NOSPAMbtconnect.com> wrote:

Don Bruder wrote:

Assuming it's functional (which could, I guess, be assuming a lot), anybody got a ballpark number for value (or an offer to buy) for it?
Don't say "go look at eBay" if you've got an answer. Wading through the graphics-disaster that eBay has become is more effort that the result is worth, particularly across this cocktail straw of a connection I'm stuck calling my internet connection.

To be honest, they seem to be fetching about $20-30 generally. The Woz edition isn't that rare and people get more use out of a ROM 01 or 03 (non-upgraded Woz's are ROM 00, and actually are quite thin on the ground).

FWIW: Dug out a power cable and set this thing up using a spare Mac keyboard/rodent, and as expected, it does indeed fire right up.

Powering it up with nothing in the drive shows me "Apple IIgs" at the
top of the screen, a 1977-1987 copyright date/all rights... message, and
"ROM Version 1.0" before it kicks over to the "check startup device"
screen a couple seconds later.

Presumably, this would indicate I'm now the proud owner of a ROM 01 Woz Edition gs? Or is 1.0 the number that a ROM 00 machine would show?

Any way to make a determination *FOR SURE* without needing anything more
than the keyboard to do it? (a PEEK() or three, perhaps?) I've got
absolute zero for software (unless you count a box full of MECC disks)
to feed the beast at the moment

Even if not, I am now the (sorta...) proud owner of a machine that I
drooled, screamed, kicked, and whimpered about 'cause I didn't have a
hope in hell of affording it 15+ years ago. The "(sorta...)" is 'cause
now that I've got it, I need to figure out what I'm going to DO with
it... :)

Didn't expect it to be worth *A LOT*, but what the heck... for the
effort of picking it up, I've got a machine that I positively drooled
over "back in the day". WHich makes yesterday a good dump-run :)

(And <PHHHLLLBBBTTTT!> at the "no salvaging" idiots, besides!)

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In article <UX_7d.16155$54.255148@typhoon.sonic.net>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote:

Powering it up with nothing in the drive shows me "Apple IIgs" at the
top of the screen, a 1977-1987 copyright date/all rights... message, and "ROM Version 1.0" before it kicks over to the "check startup device"
screen a couple seconds later.

Presumably, this would indicate I'm now the proud owner of a ROM 01 Woz Edition gs? Or is 1.0 the number that a ROM 00 machine would show?

Basically, a Woz edition GS is if you have a case with the Woz signature
on the front of it, and is usually a ROM 00 board (although it's
possible that owners had the board swap for a ROM 01 while retaining the Woz-signed case).

ROM 00 is a machine that doesn't say 'ROM' at the machine startup screen.

ROM 01 is a machine that says 'ROM Version 1' at machine startup screen.

ROM 03 is a machine that says 'ROM Version 3' at machine startup screen.

Any way to make a determination *FOR SURE* without needing anything more than the keyboard to do it? (a PEEK() or three, perhaps?) I've got

Sure, piece of cake. David Empson posted this 4 days short of 10 years
ago, and should do the job. (Good, because I'm away from the IIGS and
tech refs at the moment)

5000 REM IDENTIFY A IIGS
5010 I = 768
5020 READ J: IF J < 0 THEN GOTO 5040
5030 POKE I,J: I = I + 1: GOTO 5020
5040 CALL 768
5050 GS = PEEK(0): REM 1 IF IIgs
5060 GV = PEEK(1): REM IIgs ROM VERSION
5070 RETURN
5080 DATA 169,0,133,0,133,1,56,32,31,254,176,4,132,1,230,0,96,-1

The way to use this is:

GOSUB 5000
PRINT GS
PRINT GV

GS should be set to '1' if it's really a IIGS
GV will be set to the ROM version (0, 1, or 3)

For the interested, the assembly language listing for that small program is:

0300- A9 00 LDA #$00
0302- 85 00 STA $00
0304- 85 01 STA $01
0306- 38 SEC
0307- 20 1F FE JSR $FE1F
030A- B0 04 BCS $0310
030C- 84 01 STY $01
030E- E6 00 INC $00
0311- 60 RTS

-Dan
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Don Bruder wrote:

FWIW: Dug out a power cable and set this thing up using a spare Mac keyboard/rodent, and as expected, it does indeed fire right up.

Powering it up with nothing in the drive shows me "Apple IIgs" at the
top of the screen, a 1977-1987 copyright date/all rights... message, and "ROM Version 1.0" before it kicks over to the "check startup device"
screen a couple seconds later.

Presumably, this would indicate I'm now the proud owner of a ROM 01 Woz Edition gs? Or is 1.0 the number that a ROM 00 machine would show?

ROM Version 01 would suggest an upgrade; the stock 00 would only say
"Apple IIgs", no copyrights or anything.

Moll.
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In article <slrncm18s4.rsp.usenet@gaia.roc2.gblx.net>,
Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> wrote:

In article <UX_7d.16155$54.255148@typhoon.sonic.net>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote:

Powering it up with nothing in the drive shows me "Apple IIgs" at the
top of the screen, a 1977-1987 copyright date/all rights... message, and "ROM Version 1.0" before it kicks over to the "check startup device" screen a couple seconds later.

Presumably, this would indicate I'm now the proud owner of a ROM 01 Woz Edition gs? Or is 1.0 the number that a ROM 00 machine would show?

Basically, a Woz edition GS is if you have a case with the Woz signature
on the front of it, and is usually a ROM 00 board (although it's
possible that owners had the board swap for a ROM 01 while retaining the Woz-signed case).

ROM 00 is a machine that doesn't say 'ROM' at the machine startup screen.

ROM 01 is a machine that says 'ROM Version 1' at machine startup screen.

ROM 03 is a machine that says 'ROM Version 3' at machine startup screen.

Any way to make a determination *FOR SURE* without needing anything more than the keyboard to do it? (a PEEK() or three, perhaps?) I've got

Sure, piece of cake. David Empson posted this 4 days short of 10 years
ago, and should do the job. (Good, because I'm away from the IIGS and
tech refs at the moment)

5000 REM IDENTIFY A IIGS
5010 I = 768
5020 READ J: IF J < 0 THEN GOTO 5040
5030 POKE I,J: I = I + 1: GOTO 5020
5040 CALL 768
5050 GS = PEEK(0): REM 1 IF IIgs
5060 GV = PEEK(1): REM IIgs ROM VERSION
5070 RETURN
5080 DATA 169,0,133,0,133,1,56,32,31,254,176,4,132,1,230,0,96,-1

The way to use this is:

GOSUB 5000
PRINT GS
PRINT GV

GS should be set to '1' if it's really a IIGS
GV will be set to the ROM version (0, 1, or 3)

For the interested, the assembly language listing for that small program is:

0300- A9 00 LDA #$00
0302- 85 00 STA $00
0304- 85 01 STA $01
0306- 38 SEC
0307- 20 1F FE JSR $FE1F
030A- B0 04 BCS $0310
030C- 84 01 STY $01
030E- E6 00 INC $00
0311- 60 RTS

-Dan

Spiffy! :)

Looks like it's "really" a GS, and it's showing as a ROM 01. I guess
somebody got the upgrade done on it. Thanks!

I guess my next move is to start trying to acquire some GS-targeted
books...

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On 4/10/04 7:08 am, in article yN58d.16188$54.256686@typhoon.sonic.net, "Don Bruder" <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote:

Spiffy! :)

Looks like it's "really" a GS, and it's showing as a ROM 01. I guess
somebody got the upgrade done on it. Thanks!

I guess my next move is to start trying to acquire some GS-targeted
books...

Your next move should be to obtain the chips to upgrade the 256K RAM board
to 1Mb - then you can have a (slow) play with GS/OS and remember why it was that people lusted after the IIgs - I know I wanted one as a kid, even
though I had Macs.

Richard
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Basically, a Woz edition GS is if you have a case with the Woz signature
on the front of it, and is usually a ROM 00 board (although it's
possible that owners had the board swap for a ROM 01 while retaining the >Woz-signed case).

ROM 01 upgrades did not involve a motherboard swap. It was only a ROM chip swap and (if the board was early enough) a VGC chip swap.


Larry :)

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ICS Softy wrote:

Basically, a Woz edition GS is if you have a case with the Woz signature
on the front of it, and is usually a ROM 00 board (although it's
possible that owners had the board swap for a ROM 01 while retaining the >>Woz-signed case).

ROM 01 upgrades did not involve a motherboard swap. It was only a ROM chip swap and (if the board was early enough) a VGC chip swap.

True, but subsequent owners just swap lids around ;)

Richard

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