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Hi I guess this is going to sound like a stupid question... I opened
up my IIgs and was checking out the cards inside (it features a
Transwarp GS, A Vulcan Scsi card and what appears to be a memory
expansion card) of course the hard drive is connected to the Vulcan
card, but there is a connector on the TranswarpGS that looks like it
is for a SCSI cable. I could be completely wrong. I dont have the documentation for the TWGS so I was wondering if someone could help
me. I Took a picture of the card and circled the port in question so
maybe that will help : http://members.cox.net/kev77/Whatis.JPG

I know the ram card is sort of hard to see in the picture but it is in
the lower left hand corner look familar? Also is the daughter card on
the TWGS standard or another add on?

I see the TWGS cards are worth a good deal of money like 100 bucks, so
I really lucked out.. what are the Vulcan SCSI cards worth? Can you
believe I missed getting 50 of these sys for free!!!




thanks in advance.

kevin



contact:

http://profiles.yahoo.com/kevstar242
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Kevin wrote:

Hi I guess this is going to sound like a stupid question... I opened
up my IIgs and was checking out the cards inside (it features a
Transwarp GS, A Vulcan Scsi card and what appears to be a memory
expansion card) of course the hard drive is connected to the Vulcan
card, but there is a connector on the TranswarpGS that looks like it
is for a SCSI cable.

The Vulcan card is not a SCSI card, but a rather specilized IDE
controller, which works with the Vulcan IDE drive. Its ROM is
pretty picky about what IDE drives it works with. Because of
their specialization, they are not generally worth much except
to someone who has a Vulcan drive and no card.

The header on the Transwarp is not a SCSI connector.

You will need a SCSI card to attach SCSI devices.

-michael

Check out parallel computing for 8-bit Apples on my
Home page: http://members.aol.com/MJMahon/
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As Michael said, it's not SCSI. A lot of cards, especially AE ones had
a connector on the card. Usually this was to leave a way for future
expansion or add ons.
One fellow traced some of pins and posted his results on his site http://osites.tripod.com/Transwarp.htm

Wayne
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"Michael J. Mahon" <mjmahon@aol.com> wrote in message news:20041004133548.22932.00001354@mb-m10.aol.com...
:
: The Vulcan card is not a SCSI card, but a rather
: specilized IDE controller, which works with the
: Vulcan IDE drive. Its ROM is pretty picky about
: what IDE drives it works with. Because of their
: specialization, they are not generally worth much
: except to someone who has a Vulcan drive and no card.

That isn't entirely true, Michael. I have a Vulcan
card with an IDE to CF card adapter attached and a
20MB CF card in place and functioning. I have tried
the 100MB ROM in it, but can't seem to get a 64MB
CF card to work. I'm not entirely sure that the ROM
for larger drives even works in the card at all, as
I can't seem to get any hard drives to work either.

Apple II Forever, and Apple II Together,
Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
Web Site - http://garberstreet.netfirms.com
Email - willy46pa@comcast.net



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On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 17:52:10 GMT, Wayne Stewart <waynes@telus.dotnet>
wrote:

As Michael said, it's not SCSI. A lot of cards, especially AE ones had
a connector on the card. Usually this was to leave a way for future
expansion or add ons.
One fellow traced some of pins and posted his results on his site >http://osites.tripod.com/Transwarp.htm

Wayne

Thanks, I guess the connector is somewhat of a mystery... since it
connects directly to the cpu I would like to know what they were
planning for it. Thanks to everyone for helping me out...





kevin




contact:

http://profiles.yahoo.com/kevstar242
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Bill Garber replied:

"Michael J. Mahon" <mjmahon@aol.com> wrote in message >news:20041004133548.22932.00001354@mb-m10.aol.com...
:
: The Vulcan card is not a SCSI card, but a rather
: specilized IDE controller, which works with the
: Vulcan IDE drive. Its ROM is pretty picky about
: what IDE drives it works with. Because of their
: specialization, they are not generally worth much
: except to someone who has a Vulcan drive and no card.

That isn't entirely true, Michael. I have a Vulcan
card with an IDE to CF card adapter attached and a
20MB CF card in place and functioning. I have tried
the 100MB ROM in it, but can't seem to get a 64MB
CF card to work. I'm not entirely sure that the ROM
for larger drives even works in the card at all, as
I can't seem to get any hard drives to work either.

Thanks for reminding me that you got a CF card
to work. I guess I regard the set of things that work
as so restricted compared to other IDE adapters
(like the Focus or the TurboIDE) that it is much
less interesting.

It must be fun to have your CF card on it, though. ;-)

-michael

Check out parallel computing for 8-bit Apples on my
Home page: http://members.aol.com/MJMahon/
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"Michael J. Mahon" <mjmahon@aol.com> wrote in message news:20041004225704.07384.00002195@mb-m29.aol.com...
: Bill Garber replied:
:
: >"Michael J. Mahon" <mjmahon@aol.com> wrote in message
: >news:20041004133548.22932.00001354@mb-m10.aol.com...
: >:
: >: The Vulcan card is not a SCSI card, but a rather
: >: specilized IDE controller, which works with the
: >: Vulcan IDE drive. Its ROM is pretty picky about
: >: what IDE drives it works with. Because of their
: >: specialization, they are not generally worth much
: >: except to someone who has a Vulcan drive and no card.
: >
: >That isn't entirely true, Michael. I have a Vulcan
: >card with an IDE to CF card adapter attached and a
: >20MB CF card in place and functioning. I have tried
: >the 100MB ROM in it, but can't seem to get a 64MB
: >CF card to work. I'm not entirely sure that the ROM
: >for larger drives even works in the card at all, as
: >I can't seem to get any hard drives to work either.
:
: Thanks for reminding me that you got a CF card
: to work. I guess I regard the set of things that work
: as so restricted compared to other IDE adapters
: (like the Focus or the TurboIDE) that it is much
: less interesting.
:
: It must be fun to have your CF card on it, though. ;-)

Yes, but not so much fun as workable. The 20MB is just
enough to hold all the utilities that I need to do the
work I do on that particular machine. I reserve the
MicroDrive with adapter and 256MB CF card for storing
archives and I also have a second IIgs with a 128MB
card in a CFFA. Another CFFA with 64MB is in my //e.
It's all good really. I still want another SCSI card
though. Just so I can have a CD drive working. :o)

Apple II Forever, and Apple II Together,
Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
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Email - willy46pa@comcast.net



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"Kevin" <followthelink@bottomofpost.com> wrote in message news:vl73m01jst6qf48fsg4jlvo3eav770s7k9@4ax.com...

On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 17:52:10 GMT, Wayne Stewart <waynes@telus.dotnet>
wrote:

As Michael said, it's not SCSI. A lot of cards, especially AE ones had
a connector on the card. Usually this was to leave a way for future >>expansion or add ons.
One fellow traced some of pins and posted his results on his site >>http://osites.tripod.com/Transwarp.htm

Wayne

Thanks, I guess the connector is somewhat of a mystery... since it
connects directly to the cpu I would like to know what they were
planning for it. Thanks to everyone for helping me out...

kevin

contact:

http://profiles.yahoo.com/kevstar242

Did anyone ever make anything useful that plugs into that TWGS slot?

-Greg


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An extra connector of Transwarp GS is used for diagnosis tool only
directly to the CPU. It is done by Applied Engineering technician for designing Transwarp GS card. It is not used for the customers.
It is always useless otherwise it will be fun to design additional
card to manipulate CPU through Transwarp GS card.
Hopefully, it helps.

Bryan Parkoff

Kevin <followthelink@bottomofpost.com> wrote in message news:<vl73m01jst6qf48fsg4jlvo3eav770s7k9@4ax.com>...

On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 17:52:10 GMT, Wayne Stewart <waynes@telus.dotnet>
wrote:

As Michael said, it's not SCSI. A lot of cards, especially AE ones had
a connector on the card. Usually this was to leave a way for future >expansion or add ons.
One fellow traced some of pins and posted his results on his site >http://osites.tripod.com/Transwarp.htm

Wayne

Thanks, I guess the connector is somewhat of a mystery... since it
connects directly to the cpu I would like to know what they were
planning for it. Thanks to everyone for helping me out...

kevin

contact:

http://profiles.yahoo.com/kevstar242

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On 5 Oct 2004 17:58:08 -0700, BryanParkoff@yahoo.com (Bryan Parkoff)
wrote:

An extra connector of Transwarp GS is used for diagnosis tool only
directly to the CPU. It is done by Applied Engineering technician for >designing Transwarp GS card. It is not used for the customers.
It is always useless otherwise it will be fun to design additional
card to manipulate CPU through Transwarp GS card.
Hopefully, it helps.

Oh that makes 100% sense I wonder why it didnt occur to me... well I
am selling the TWGS and the whole IIgs to make some room, so I am glad
I solved the mystery first!





kevin



contact:

http://profiles.yahoo.com/kevstar242
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On 5 Oct 2004 17:58:08 -0700, BryanParkoff@yahoo.com (Bryan Parkoff)
wrote:

An extra connector of Transwarp GS is used for diagnosis tool only
directly to the CPU. It is done by Applied Engineering technician

for

designing Transwarp GS card. It is not used for the customers.
It is always useless otherwise it will be fun to design

additional

card to manipulate CPU through Transwarp GS card.
Hopefully, it helps.

Oh that makes 100% sense I wonder why it didnt occur to me... well I
am selling the TWGS and the whole IIgs to make some room, so I am

glad

I solved the mystery first!

Kevin,

I am glad that you got my answer to solve your mystery. I want to
add my comment. If CPU's socket on Transwarp GS card is heavily
damaged or destroyed for some reasons, you are able to add a new CPU's
socket to the secondary card before it is attached to an extra
connector of Transwarp GS. Transwarp GS can be able to reroute to CPU
through secondary card rather than route to the damaged primary CPU on
the Transwarp GS card. I have done already at my experiment when I
had thtree Transwarp GS cards, but one of them was damaged.
There is a possibility that you can build firmware like ROM chip
to be added so it can disable the original firmware chip. If you
don't like Transwarp GS' logo screen and author names, you should be
able to reprogram 65816 machine langage in your own from scratch. It
would allow Transwarp GS to boot secondary firmware or ROM chip that
it will be under your program rather than original Applied
Engineering's program. Also, you should be able to add options to
Transwarp GS' Control Panel.
I know that it always remains a big mystery for over years since
Applied Engineering started to sell Transwarp GS around 1986 when it
became available by 1987.
Hopefully, it helps.

Bryan Parkoff
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