Not to be rude, but do yourself and us a favor,
go here and start reading. You also can google
search for much of this info you want us to give
to you freely after years of trial and error, and/or
searching the net and buying books. Please.
Bill Garber <willy46pa@comcast.net> wrote in message news:oOucnbyJDIbmW4SiXTWJiw@comcast.com...
Not to be rude, but do yourself and us a favor,
go here and start reading. You also can google
search for much of this info you want us to give
to you freely after years of trial and error, and/or
searching the net and buying books. Please.
Yes, I agree that I had it coming this time. I hadn't read the "Applications" FAQ yet -- my bad.
I've heard from several people that an AppleTalk connection from a IIgs to a >Mac or a PC (by way of an Appletalk to ethernet connector) will allow a >person to use the second computer as a fileserver. I'd like to be able to >boot my IIgs from something faster than 3.5" floppy, but I'm not rushing to >spend the money for a SCSI card and external hard drive until I better >understand the AppleTalk option.
I'm looking for a convenient and relatively transparent way to use Appletalk >to share the resources (such as excessively large disk space) of my existing >machines, and I have a few questions for people who have gotten it to work:
Can I boot the IIgs from Appletalk? If so, what are the limitations?
Does AppleTalk work under Prodos 8, or only under the Finder? In other >words, under Prodos 8 can I browse the hard drive a my Mac or PC looking for >files?
Is there a convenient way to store DSK files on the second computer (Mac or >PC) and use these as though they were local floppies?
Can a person transfer a file via AppleTalk to the slot 5 ramdisk and use
that like a floppy?
How does the speed of AppleTalk compare to a 3.5" floppy, an IDE slot drive, >or an external SCSI drive?
Can I boot the IIgs from Appletalk? If so, what are the limitations?
Does AppleTalk work under Prodos 8, or only under the Finder? In other words, under Prodos 8 can I browse the hard drive a my Mac or PC looking for files?
Is there a convenient way to store DSK files on the second computer (Mac or PC) and use these as though they were local floppies?
Can a person transfer a file via AppleTalk to the slot 5 ramdisk and use
that like a floppy?
How does the speed of AppleTalk compare to a 3.5" floppy, an IDE slot drive, or an external SCSI drive?
In article <MqjSa.32191$EZ2.7642@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,a
Michael Pender <mpender@hotmail.com> wrote:
Can a person transfer a file via AppleTalk to the slot 5 ramdisk and use >that like a floppy?
You could...don't know what point there would be, other than to pull the files from the network once and run from the RAMdisk after that. (Come to think of it, that'd be much faster, so as long as any changes made to the RAMdisk get sent back to the server before you shut off (or if you make no changes you want to keep), this might let you get better performance from
diskless system.)
Scott Alfter <salfter@salfter.dyndns.org> wrote in message news:iTrSa.11718$Bp2.8589@fed1read07...
That's what I had in mind:
- select a disk image from the server (networked computer)
- transfer the disk image file via AppleTalk
- expand the disk image onto the slot 5 RAM disk
- run from the slot 5 RAM disk as if it were the floppy from which the DSK image was made
- when done, update the disk image on the server.
Unfortunately, it sounds like this could only work with a Mac as a
fileserver if it were running Appleshare 3.0 and System 7. There remains
the possibility of doing this for a PC as a fileserver though. Also, it probably wouldn't work with DOS 3.3 titles without faking a Disk II device signature and replacing the RWTS interface code.
DSKThat's what I had in mind:
- select a disk image from the server (networked computer)
- transfer the disk image file via AppleTalk
- expand the disk image onto the slot 5 RAM disk
- run from the slot 5 RAM disk as if it were the floppy from which the
image was made
- when done, update the disk image on the server.
Dude, that'll take way longer than booting it up from the
floppy. If you run GS/OS, I believe 4 and up, you can boot
from floppy and snag and manioulate all your files from the
Mac. If your 3.5" disk is taking a long time to boot, you more
than likely have too much on it. Much more than you actually
need to operate.
remainsUnfortunately, it sounds like this could only work with a Mac as a fileserver if it were running Appleshare 3.0 and System 7. There
devicethe possibility of doing this for a PC as a fileserver though. Also, it probably wouldn't work with DOS 3.3 titles without faking a Disk II
signature and replacing the RWTS interface code.
PC-MacLan does work, after you're booted up and AppleShare is
running on the GS. I can share my entire PC with the GS, but I am
not sure there is room on a 3.5" disk for everything and that.
Is there a convenient way to store DSK files on the second computer (Mac or >PC) and use these as though they were local floppies?
David Wilson <david@uow.edu.au> wrote in messagenews:<3f19e93c$1@news.uow.edu.au>...
(Mac orIs there a convenient way to store DSK files on the second computer
PC) and use these as though they were local floppies?
There is a utility called Mountimager, or Imagemounter that allows you
to mount images on the Mac desktop (not sure if it works above system
7.5). Haven't tried it on Appleshare though.
An _inconvenient_ method might be to format a drive full of 140K and
800K partitions with sharing enabled and treat them as virtual
floppies... an interesting experiment at least.
Not to be rude, but do yourself and us a favor,
go here and start reading. You also can google
search for much of this info you want us to give
to you freely after years of trial and error, and/or
searching the net and buying books. Please.
http://home.swbell.net/rubywand/A2FAQs2CONTENT.html
I've figured out how, with a bridge, to boot an Apple II from a Linux box w/netatalk, but I haven't figured out a simple set of directions to get the
No disrespect intended to rubywand, but the FAQ doesn't really cover the whole inter-platform networking topic very well. I keep reading that some things are impossible (like reading an HFS disk on the PC) when I've used software that does exactly that. This is an area where the FAQ is no substitute for talking to real, live, human beings who are familiar withthe
stuff and know what they're doing.
I apologized when I found a section in the FAQ on AppleTalk, but now that I've read it I really don't think it answered most of my questions. I
*know* that theoretically the networking setup I mentioned can be done.
What I want to know is how well these things *really* work--I want war stories from people who have tried some of these implementations and had success (and especially from those who have gotten burned).
FTR-I was buying those books, reading those books, and correcting theerrors
in those books back when this newsgroup was still "comp.sys.apple."
In article <iYySa.12786$1q6.462@nwrddc04.gnilink.net>,remains
Michael Pender <mpender@hotmail.com> wrote:
<
< Unfortunately, it sounds like this could only work with a Mac as a
< fileserver if it were running Appleshare 3.0 and System 7. There
It will also work with Appleshare 2.0 and System 6, though I suppose
that's not any more useful for you.
Ok, then, on that note, you probably should know enough to figure
this stuff out mostly for yourself, with just a little info from others. 'Nuff said.
M. Pender <mpender@hotmail.com> wrote:(client)
I've set up my system for filesharing from a PC, but the Apple IIgs
I'mdoesn't see the shared volumes from the PC under PCMACLAN. Its hard to troubleshoot without a working machine to use as a measuring stick, so
Macintoshasking for advice/feedback until I can get an AppleTalk-capable
for troubleshooting.
Any Mac that can act as an AppleShare server on an Ethernet connection
should help. I use a Quadra 650CD (purchased for $50 from eBay so I
could play with HFS CD-ROMs), connected through an AAUI Ethernet adapter. Configuring it as an AppleShare server let me verify that my IIgs was working, so I could focus on the Linux/netatalk side.
Apple IIgs running GS/OS 5.0.4
- booting from an Appleshare 3.5" floppy (configured as per http://src.mit.edu/apple2gs.html)
Interesting choice. Not 6.0.1?
butPC running PC MACLAN File Server (demo version)
- server name: PC MACLAN
IIgs Control Panel CDA:
- user name: DEMO
So far I have yet to get the IIgs does not see the PC file server across AppleTalk. I've tried direct cabling, cabling through a crossover, etc.
no joy.
This I haven't used.
IIgs coupled via Farallon PhoneNet cabling to a Farallon EtherMac iPrint Adapter SL model PN553 (localtalk to ethernet bridge) coupled through ethernet hub to a PC.
Some ethernet/localtalk bridges, especially ones aimed at printer use,
don't always seem to pass all the Appletalk protocols properly, and/or have something happen strange in the translation.
I've had the most luck with Cayman Gatorbox CS (Model 10101) and the CS
Rack mount model.
Some people have had success with Farallon FastPath routers, but not me.
Steven N. Hirsch <shirsch@adelphia.net> wrote:
Some ethernet/localtalk bridges, especially ones aimed at printer use, >>>don't always seem to pass all the Appletalk protocols properly, and/or have >>>something happen strange in the translation.
I've had the most luck with Cayman Gatorbox CS (Model 10101) and the CS >>>Rack mount model.
Some people have had success with Farallon FastPath routers, but not me.
Do you mean Shiva/Kinetics FastPath? Their compatibility with Apple 2 >>AppleTalk varies with hardware and firmware level. I've had great
success with FastPath 4 boxes running newer firmware. The FastPath 5 >>works properly at first connection from a IIe + Workstation card or
IIgs, but invariably drops the session after about 5 minutes. There
must be something in the Appletalk "keepalive" protocol that's dropped, >>but I've never been able to figure out what.
I have a Shiva FastPath 4. It's a large brick with a noisy fan, and
I found that it was easily confused by changes in the network (i.e. it
works best when configurations are relatively stable). One interesting difference between it and the Farallon EtherWave Printer Adapter is that it shows up as an AppleTalk entity that can be queried, whereas the printer adapter doesn't.
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