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There seems to be some doubt about whether Apple II computers can be networked.
I thought they could, since there are networking cards for Apple IIe and IIgs computers.
Jay Edwards
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On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 14:53:37 +0000, Obsbedia2 wrote:

There seems to be some doubt about whether Apple II computers can be networked.
I thought they could, since there are networking cards for Apple IIe and IIgs computers.

Who is doubting it?

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I posted this once before, when the Contiki news first broke...

The C64 Ethernet card info on the Contiki website says:
"The TFE cartridge is designed around Systor Vest AS' CS8900a-based Embedded Ethernet board."

I found this link for an Apple II ethernet card project, which is a bit outdated, but: http://aiiethernet.tripod.com/

Notice the chip they're using??? Here's a quote:
"This is the chip that makes it all possible. Produced by Crystal
Semiconductor -- a division of Cirrus Logic -- the CS8900A"

Sounds like these projects need to be introduced to each other!!!!

There's also the "official" Apple //e-GS Ethernet card, the LanceGS, but I don't know if it uses the same chipset. However, it's been out and working
for awhile...

It should be doable!!!!

desiv

"Obsbedia2" <obsbedia2@aol.com> wrote in message news:20030708105337.02871.00000016@mb-m29.aol.com...

There seems to be some doubt about whether Apple II computers can be

networked.

I thought they could, since there are networking cards for Apple IIe and

IIgs

computers.
Jay Edwards

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<< Subject: Re: HELP: Contiki for Apple II sightly held up on networking question
From: "Sheldon Simms" sheldonsimms@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, Jul 8, 2003 9:24 AM
Message-id: <pan.2003.07.08.17.24.03.364140@yahoo.com>

On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 14:53:37 +0000, Obsbedia2 wrote:

There seems to be some doubt about whether Apple II computers can be

networked.

I thought they could, since there are networking cards for Apple IIe and IIgs computers.

Who is doubting it? >>


Adam Thornton
Well, my goal with the Apple Contiki is to get it working with a Super
Serial Card, because I have one of those. Unless I am mistaken (and I
might well be) the Apple port doesn't currently have network support.
Or does it?

Adam
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desiv <desiv@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:CeLOa.9642$OZ2.1646@rwcrnsc54...

I posted this once before, when the Contiki news first broke...

The C64 Ethernet card info on the Contiki website says:
"The TFE cartridge is designed around Systor Vest AS' CS8900a-based

Embedded

Ethernet board."

I found this link for an Apple II ethernet card project, which is a bit outdated, but: http://aiiethernet.tripod.com/

Notice the chip they're using??? Here's a quote:
"This is the chip that makes it all possible. Produced by Crystal Semiconductor -- a division of Cirrus Logic -- the CS8900A"

Sounds like these projects need to be introduced to each other!!!!

There's also the "official" Apple //e-GS Ethernet card, the LanceGS, but I don't know if it uses the same chipset. However, it's been out and

working

for awhile...

It should be doable!!!!

desiv

"Obsbedia2" <obsbedia2@aol.com> wrote in message news:20030708105337.02871.00000016@mb-m29.aol.com...

There seems to be some doubt about whether Apple II computers can be

networked.

I thought they could, since there are networking cards for Apple IIe

and

IIgs

computers.
Jay Edwards

What are the capabilities of LocalTalk? Isn't that the network port used to connect the IIgs to printers?

- Mike


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Michael Pender wrote:

What are the capabilities of LocalTalk? Isn't that the network port used to connect the IIgs to printers?

On a IIgs, it can function as either an RS-232 compatible interface or LocalTalk (~400K bps.) network port. In the latter mode, and with the
help of a LocalTalk <---> Ethernet bridge, one can access files from an Appletalk server. The free netatalk server supports this function on
Linux (and many other Unices).

Steve

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"Wayne Lafreniere" <wplafreniere@lynx.bc.ca> wrote in message news:3F0CD7FF.1750B04F@lynx.bc.ca...

"Steven N. Hirsch" wrote:

Michael Pender wrote:

What are the capabilities of LocalTalk? Isn't that the network port

used to

connect the IIgs to printers?

On a IIgs, it can function as either an RS-232 compatible interface or LocalTalk (~400K bps.) network port. In the latter mode, and with the
help of a LocalTalk <---> Ethernet bridge, one can access files from an Appletalk server. The free netatalk server supports this function on
Linux (and many other Unices).

Steve

The localtalk to ethernet bridge (which can be external hardware or

software on a

Mac(with both serial and ethernet ports)) is wholly unnecessary to access

an

Appletalk server, at least upto Mac OS 8.6 maybe 9,0,4. Most macs with

OS10 and

up don't have serial ports unless you install them on a card yourself, and

I'm

not familar with OS10 machines so I can't comment on it's ability to do Appletalk.

Wayne

Since we're on the subject of networking to ethernet thru LocalTalk,
can I get online with the GS thru that connected to a Mac or PC?
I have the necessary browser software, but not sure how to use the
Mac or PC to go thru to the ISP.

Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprises };-)
Web Site - http://garberstreet.netfirms.com
Email - willy46pa@comcast.net



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obsbedia2@aol.com (Obsbedia2) wrote in message news:<20030708234253.20792.00000066@mb-m10.aol.com>...

<< Subject: Re: HELP: Contiki for Apple II sightly held up on networking question
From: "Sheldon Simms" sheldonsimms@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, Jul 8, 2003 9:24 AM
Message-id: <pan.2003.07.08.17.24.03.364140@yahoo.com>

On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 14:53:37 +0000, Obsbedia2 wrote:

There seems to be some doubt about whether Apple II computers can be

networked.

I thought they could, since there are networking cards for Apple IIe and IIgs
computers.

Who is doubting it? >>

Adam Thornton
Well, my goal with the Apple Contiki is to get it working with a Super
Serial Card, because I have one of those. Unless I am mistaken (and I
might well be) the Apple port doesn't currently have network support.
Or does it?

Adam

There are many ways to "network" an Apple II.
One way of networking is to use TCP/IP.
There is currently no support for TCP/IP on an Apple IIe.
The Contiki project is a 6502 based TCP/IP implementation that
includes a PPP interface.

The porting of Contiki to the Apple IIe would probably involve
creating a PPP interface that supported the Apple Super Serial Card or
some other serial card, or internal modem card. Another option is to
support the LANceGS card.

Cheers,
Andrew
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Chris Morse wrote:

On 15 Jul 2003 21:22:05 -0700, andrew.roughan@writeme.com (Roughana)
wrote:

There are many ways to "network" an Apple II.
One way of networking is to use TCP/IP.

Contiki includes TCP/IP there have been several other networks including Appletalk, AFAIK there has never been a TCP/IP for the Apple][.

TCP/IP is a network protocol.. I would have just said that one way to
network an Apple II is to use a serial cable.

There is currently no support for TCP/IP on an Apple IIe.
The Contiki project is a 6502 based TCP/IP implementation that
includes a PPP interface.

I've been out of it for a while, last time I checked PPP was still in development. If it's working now, that would be great!

Still includes only SLIP.

The porting of Contiki to the Apple IIe would probably involve
creating a PPP interface that supported the Apple Super Serial Card or
some other serial card, or internal modem card. Another option is to >>support the LANceGS card.

Starting with SLIP to get something going and to provide a basis for
porting other Contiki developments as they become available. The LanceGS
card is probably not a good bet. Another possibility is to develop
another Contiki related development, the TFE for Commodore 64 which uses
a commercially produced embedded ethernet adapter and a fairly simple interface to the 6502. It seems fairly easy to adapt to an Apple II slot.

Yeah. The Serial card solution would be the best, as far as it being
the most widely used.

It should be possible to create compatible RS-232 libraries for the CC65 compiler, and make porting Contiki fairly easy. All of the interface
routines would be in machine language anyway so the work would be
similar and in the compiler more general.

Not many Apple //e folks have a LANceGS card.
I did talk to the creator of the LANceGS card, and despite what it
seems to say on the Web sites, he *did* write drivers for the LANceGS
card for the Apple //e.

That's good news.

The problem is there are no "client" apps to

use it, and he doesn't want to give away the drivers he wrote..

Perhaps Contiki could be the client app.

I wanted to start some work on an Apple //c+ I got, but the machine
has a bum internal drive. Gonna have to find a new one.

Too bad. I was hoping that the Contiki port for the Apple][ was imminent.
I'm looking forward to playing with it and perhaps contributing something.

--
Rob

"Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by
stupidity"

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