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  • Using the power of the C128 for better gfx/music ?

    From zothen@zothen@my-deja.com (Zothen Runecaster) to comp.sys.cbm on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 02:51:57
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    Most C128 I knew back in the 80s only knew one command in 128 mode -
    "Go64"...

    Are there any demos showing the potential of the C128 - for example
    even better SID pieces using more RAM or the faster CPU ?
    Or something like a soundtracker - player that can play higher quality
    AMIGA music modules ?
    Or something like the program Softsynth on the ATARI 800 (the music of
    the "World of Wonders" demo was created with this prgram) ?

    Or better graphics with more colors etc. ? That means a mode even
    better than FLI , IFLI , various interlace modes etc ?

    Is it possible to multiplex more sprites or is that limited by the VIC
    ?

    I donīt know many C128 games from the 80s , only 1 Infocom adventure
    (Trinity) and some programs like GEOS , but there is not much C128
    stuff.
    Do you think the C128 came to late because ATARI already had the ATARI
    ST ?

    ZR
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  • From Steppe@steppe_not_for@spam_demodungeon.com to comp.sys.cbm on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 12:41:01
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    Hi Zothen,

    Zothen Runecaster wrote:
    Are there any demos showing the potential of the C128

    Oh boy, there is one that will make your jaws drop!
    Risen From Oblivion by Crest

    Then there are a few demos that make use of the C128 even when run in C64
    mode.
    Deus Ex Machina/Crest (the endpart with the X-rotating textures runs much smoother on a C128)
    Insomnia/64ever: The 3D tunnels use the 2 MHz in the upper/lower borders and run noticably smoother.

    There are a few more that take advantage from the C128 mode, but the above
    two are the most impressive ones to mention.

    - for example
    even better SID pieces using more RAM or the faster CPU?

    Not that I heard of. I think you can't really improve the SID by a faster
    CPU. There are already multispeed tunes that feed the SID 63 times per frame (see HVSC: /VARIOUS/G-L/Julian_Jaymz/63_speed_music_1.sid), I doubt you can increase soundquality any more by increasing that multiplier.
    I can imagine that it would be pretty nice using the increased RAM for
    playing back more or higher quality digi samples. The Last V8 did that,
    AFAIK.

    Or something like a soundtracker - player that can play higher quality
    AMIGA music modules ?
    Or something like the program Softsynth on the ATARI 800 (the music of
    the "World of Wonders" demo was created with this prgram) ?

    Or better graphics with more colors etc. ? That means a mode even
    better than FLI , IFLI , various interlace modes etc ?

    Yep, see Risen From Oblivion, they expanded FLI into the borders and did
    more nasty VIC tricks. Probably Graham can explain that to us in a little
    more detail.

    I donīt know many C128 games from the 80s , only 1 Infocom adventure (Trinity) and some programs like GEOS , but there is not much C128
    stuff.

    Not much, true. But still a few more than you mentioned, just check Arnold.

    Regards,
    Stephan
    --
    www.demodungeon.com
    where you can download all the above mentioned demos!


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  • From Maciej Witkowiak@ytm@elysium.pl.andremowe.me to comp.sys.cbm on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 13:47:29
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    Steppe wrote:
    There are a few more that take advantage from the C128 mode, but the above two are the most impressive ones to mention.

    Most of Graham's/Oxyron demos take advantage of switching CPU to 2MHz on
    border area. It makes a difference comparing to plain C64.

    ytm

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  • From Tim@tjlazer@nospam.mail.com to comp.sys.cbm on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 11:48:24
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    "Zothen Runecaster" <zothen@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:fcd76a9e.0307010151.6c024409@posting.google.com...
    Most C128 I knew back in the 80s only knew one command in 128 mode - "Go64"...
    Do you think the C128 came to late because ATARI already had the ATARI
    ST ?

    No it came too late because of the AMIGA! ;)

    It was released about the same time. 1985-1986.

    Tim


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  • From Local H/BCI/R64/SYS@localh@chartertn.net to comp.sys.cbm on Friday, July 11, 2003 21:10:36
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    Zothen Runecaster wrote:

    Are there any demos showing the potential of the C128 - for example
    even better SID pieces using more RAM or the faster CPU ?
    Check Risen from Oblivion/Crest, there are both VIC-parts and VDC-parts.

    Also, Higher Level/Lower Level has a VDC-part.
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