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Ah you dumbfuk

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"Phil-on-a-hill" <malcnospam@gothcorp.co.uk> wrote in message news:A_RQa.11825$nP.6280@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net...

"Paul Allen Panks" <panks@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote in message news:716436f6.0307150138.73151384@posting.google.com...

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An interesting comment, but lacking in true facts.

Nevertheless this is the best posting he made here so far.

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"Paul Allen Panks" <panks@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote in message news:716436f6.0307150138.73151384@posting.google.com...

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Exactly, it doesn't exists. As it is unknown in the USA, and if it didn't
come from here, it is crap!!

Hahhahaahha

Tim


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"Tim" <tjlazer@nospam.mail.com> wrote in message news:vhbkkda3psegb1@corp.supernews.com...

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Exactly, it doesn't exists. As it is unknown in the USA, and if it didn't come from here, it is crap!!

Hahhahaahha

Computers didn't come from there (and nor did much else, apart from the
nuke).


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On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:32:43 -0700, "Tim" <tjlazer@nospam.mail.com>
wrote:

Exactly, it doesn't exists. As it is unknown in the USA, and if it didn't >come from here, it is crap!!
Hahhahaahha

Going by your logic...

The Statue of Liberty is crap.
Any-beer-stronger-than-water is crap.

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 00:59:24 +0100, Peter Thomas <see-my-sig@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:32:43 -0700, "Tim" <tjlazer@nospam.mail.com>
wrote:

Exactly, it doesn't exists. As it is unknown in the USA, and if it didn't >>come from here, it is crap!!
Hahhahaahha

Going by your logic...

The Statue of Liberty is crap.
Any-beer-stronger-than-water is crap.

What do you expect? The Statue of Liberty is French.
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"Peter Thomas" <see-my-sig@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ofpbhvkl7v04tslfotpcbskb8idcb366n6@4ax.com...

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:32:43 -0700, "Tim" <tjlazer@nospam.mail.com>
wrote:

Exactly, it doesn't exists. As it is unknown in the USA, and if it

didn't

come from here, it is crap!!
Hahhahaahha

Going by your logic...

The Statue of Liberty is crap.
Any-beer-stronger-than-water is crap.

TV is crap
Telephones are crap
The Internet is crap
Mobile phones are crap

Come to think of it, I can't think of a single contibution yanks have made
to discovery or invention (or anything else).


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Phil-on-a-hill <malcnospam@gothcorp.co.uk> wrote:

Come to think of it, I can't think of a single contibution yanks have made
to discovery or invention

They're great in accidentally removing surplus people from
over-populated countries, though.

(or anything else).

(They FREED US FROM COMMUNISM! How can you be SO UNGRATEFUL? We were
SLAVES of the EVIL EMPIRE, and they gave us DEMOCRACY! FREE! ALMOST!)

A few corrections:

TV is crap

Russian

Telephones are crap

Italian

The Internet is crap

Er, yes, maybe US. The WWW and HTML are Swiss "inventions", though.

Mobile phones are crap

The first mobile phones implementations were Japanese.

So, not only the yanks haven't invented anything useful, but they
haven't probably invented anything at all. Just take a good idea, pump
some money into it and claim it's yours. Then pump much more money into
a campaign to get rid of anybody who says you've stolen the idea.
Hey, Bill Gates has become the richest man in the world by following
this rule.

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Ojala Pasi 'Albert' <albert@pikkukorppi.cs.tut.fi> wrote:

In article <1fy8jo7.12gj8n5feh4udN%big-go@dplanet.ch>,
Biggo <big-go@dplanet.ch> wrote:

The first mobile phones implementations were Japanese.

What? Never heard of the first automatically-switched mobile phone
system called NMT (Nordic Mobile Telephone)

"Japanese manufacturers, although not first with a working cellular
radio, did equip some of the first car mounted mobile telephone
services, their technology equal to whatever America was producing.
Their products enabled several first commercial cellular telephone
systems, starting in Bahrain, Tokyo, Osaka, Mexico City"

from <http://www.privateline.com/PCS/history.htm>

Note the "equal to whatever America was producing" claim. rotfl.
It could well be that he mixed up Japan and Norway. Bahrain? A rock
group? :-)

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:29:53 +0200, Patryk 'Silver Dream !' £ogiewa <silverdr@inet.remove.it.pl> wrote:

Phil-on-a-hill wrote:

Come to think of it, I can't think of a single contibution yanks have made >> to discovery or invention (or anything else).

Fast "food" ... ;-)

Greasy, horrible, saturated-fat laden, squidgy burger-type American
Style franchise fast food maybe.

There have been shops and stalls for centuries (and more) in most
countries where you can just go up to them, buy some food and wander off
and eat it, particularly in Asia from what I've seen where there's
always something sizzling away on a street corner.

The Americans have just done what they do well; which isn't the cooking,
or the style or presentation, but intense marketing and huge portions
(aided by the fact that few people seem to have the time to cook or
enjoy food anymore cos we're all rushing around disappearing up our own
bums).

Frink

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Doctor J. Frink wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:29:53 +0200, Patryk 'Silver Dream !' £ogiewa <silverdr@inet.remove.it.pl> wrote:

Phil-on-a-hill wrote:

Come to think of it, I can't think of a single contibution yanks
have made to discovery or invention (or anything else).

Fast "food" ... ;-)

Greasy, horrible, saturated-fat laden, squidgy burger-type American
Style franchise fast food [...]

That's _exactly_ what I thought of.

[...] The Americans have just done what they do well; which isn't the cooking, or the style or presentation,

as it is very clear by now that no style, no presentation, no
sophistication, no touch of class, no quality, no durability, no... none
of those would pay,

but intense marketing

is what pays. Isn't it?

The Americans have just done what they do well; which isn't the
cooking,

but money.
P.S. I do NOT condone this life-approach. I just mark my observations.
And, BTW, Aren't we faaar OTs already?
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"Patryk 'Silver Dream !' ?ogiewa" <silverdr@inet.remove.it.pl> wrote:

P.S. I do NOT condone this life-approach. I just mark my observations.
And, BTW, Aren't we faaar OTs already?

Uhm, no. I'd say that this:

[...] The Americans have just done what they do well; which isn't the cooking, or the style or presentation,

as it is very clear by now that no style, no presentation, no
sophistication, no touch of class, no quality, no durability, no... none
of those would pay,

but intense marketing

is what pays. Isn't it?

is a perfect description of why the C64 has been so popular in ancient
times, and helps putting Sinclair and the Spectrum back in the right
place in history. Not on the durability podium, right, but as for style, presentation, sophistication, class and quality, the Speccy did set some
high standards in the home computer history. The 64 wins the wannabe
award for the most intense marketing in history (until 1995, when the
award ended to Gates and his Windows 95 so-called "OS")

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Biggo wrote:
[...]

as it is very clear by now that no style, no presentation, no >>sophistication, no touch of class, no quality, no durability, no... none
of those would pay,

but intense marketing

is what pays. Isn't it?

is a perfect description of why the C64 has been so popular in ancient
times, and helps putting Sinclair and the Spectrum back in the right
place in history. Not on the durability podium, right

No? I feel disappointed... ;-)

but as for style,
presentation, sophistication, class and quality

Well, at least here!

, the Speccy did set some
high standards in the home computer history. The 64 wins the wannabe
award for the most intense marketing in history

Somehow I can't recall this. Strange... I am sure to be old enough to
remeber and young enough not to lose my memories... yet.

(until 1995, when the
award ended to Gates and his Windows 95 so-called "OS")

You deserve The Award too. I don't know how you did this but you got the discussion back on topic! :-)

BTW. The world in the seventies and eighties of the last century of the
past millenium was still somewhat different. Some people at least tried
to do classy things then, before they learned their hard lessons... :-(

One of the last examples of this is PSION (not a US company, nono...).
The Commodore-like range of classy handheld computers lost against the
stupid, keyboardless (spectrum style) so-called PDAs (some from the US),
which everybody gets excited about to buy and learn in few months (or
even weeks) that they are quite useless, while PSION users keep their
machines busy for years, even without ANY support from anyone big.

Am I still on topic? Do my flamebaits work? :-)


P.S. The sig is NOT in any language I know. Thus I can't explain the meaning... ;-)

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:45:08 +0100, "Phil-on-a-hill" <malcnospam@gothcorp.co.uk>
wrote:

TV is crap
Telephones are crap
The Internet is crap
Mobile phones are crap

Come to think of it, I can't think of a single contibution yanks have made
to discovery or invention (or anything else).

I was gonna say, since none of those were invented in America anyway! [1]

[1] Actually, the yanks did invent the "internet", but it took a brit to make it
useful!
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Biggo wrote:

Phil-on-a-hill <malcnospam@gothcorp.co.uk> wrote:

Come to think of it, I can't think of a single contibution yanks have
made to discovery or invention

They're great in accidentally removing surplus people from
over-populated countries, though.

(or anything else).

(They FREED US FROM COMMUNISM! How can you be SO UNGRATEFUL? We were
SLAVES of the EVIL EMPIRE, and they gave us DEMOCRACY! FREE! ALMOST!)

A few corrections:

TV is crap

Russian

A russian invented the CRT yes, Vladimir Zworykin

But the first television system was invented by John Logie Baird (the yanks despute this of course)

Telephones are crap

Italian

Since when? Whasn't there a certain person called Alexander Graham Bell?

The Internet is crap

Er, yes, maybe US. The WWW and HTML are Swiss "inventions", though.

Mobile phones are crap

The first mobile phones implementations were Japanese.

Digital or Analogue?

So, not only the yanks haven't invented anything useful, but they
haven't probably invented anything at all. Just take a good idea, pump
some money into it and claim it's yours. Then pump much more money into
a campaign to get rid of anybody who says you've stolen the idea.
Hey, Bill Gates has become the richest man in the world by following
this rule.

No comments

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I demand that Patryk 'Silver Dream !' £ogiewa may or may not have written...

[snip]

BTW. The world in the seventies and eighties of the last century of the
past millenium was still somewhat different. Some people at least tried to
do classy things then, before they learned their hard lessons... :-(

:-|

One of the last examples of this is PSION (not a US company, nono...). The Commodore-like range of classy handheld computers lost against the stupid,

I'd call them Acorn-style. (Some were Acorn-badged, and used ARM chips.)

keyboardless (spectrum style) so-called PDAs (some from the US),

... no. Games console-style.

which everybody gets excited about to buy and learn in few months (or even weeks) that they are quite useless, while PSION users keep their machines busy for years, even without ANY support from anyone big.

I'm not arguing any more :-)

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"Biggo" <big-go@dplanet.ch> wrote in message news:1fy8jo7.12gj8n5feh4udN%big-go@dplanet.ch...

Phil-on-a-hill <malcnospam@gothcorp.co.uk> wrote:

So, not only the yanks haven't invented anything useful, but they
haven't probably invented anything at all. Just take a good idea, pump
some money into it and claim it's yours. Then pump much more money into
a campaign to get rid of anybody who says you've stolen the idea.
Hey, Bill Gates has become the richest man in the world by following
this rule.

Um, AFAIK didn't the Commodore 64 come from the USA? The reason you are trolling in this group!????? And the way you are trolling to this group,
the Internet came from the Yanks.

Proud Yank
Tim
Tacoma, WA USA. ;)


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"Peter Thomas" <see-my-sig@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ofpbhvkl7v04tslfotpcbskb8idcb366n6@4ax.com...

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:32:43 -0700, "Tim" <tjlazer@nospam.mail.com>
wrote:

Exactly, it doesn't exists. As it is unknown in the USA, and if it

didn't

come from here, it is crap!!
Hahhahaahha

Going by your logic...

The Statue of Liberty is crap.
Any-beer-stronger-than-water is crap.

I was refering to Computer Logic, not everything under the sun...

Computers and Technology are supreme in the USA. Face it.

Look at the Amiga 1000. It pioneered Multimedia in 1985.

Did that come from Europe?

Oh wait the Spectrum and the Amstrad did. LOL

Tim


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Ôçí/On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:28:13 -0700,ï(ç) Tim <tjlazer@nospam.mail.com> Ýãñáøå/wrote:


<snip>

I was refering to Computer Logic, not everything under the sun...

Computers and Technology are supreme in the USA. Face it.

Look at the Amiga 1000. It pioneered Multimedia in 1985.

Did that come from Europe?

Actually semi so... Amiga's OS was written using BCPL on the Sinclair QL
(Yes the high-end model of Sinclair and YES a British computer :-)

The point however is that the popularization of Computing wouldn't be
anything without British micros. Compared to US computer prices these were really cheap and even a kid could buy a Spectrum with his allowance.



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"Phil-on-a-hill" <malcnospam@gothcorp.co.uk> wrote in message

Computers didn't come from there (and nor did much else, apart from the nuke).

That's a very flimsy argument. If you are referring to the Enigma true it
was British
However the first real digital computer was US made (In U.PENN in Philly)

The earliest known computing device (not the abacus btw) is however Greek,
the so called "Anticythera Machine".

Commodore came from there... And the OS you are probably on now came
from
about 1 hour from where I live!

False for the latter. The OS he's probably using and that I am forced to
use (thanks to $$$$ contributions to my uni by you-know-who) is actually
for the most part programmed in India.

All I can say is if the Commodore 64/128 came from the USA and Spectrum

came
from Europe, just compare the two and there you have it!!!

Bad example because both computers are defunct... Now COMPANIES-wise,
Sinclair Research is still very much alive although out of the computer business (www.sinclair-research.co.uk) and we all know what happened to
Atari and CBM (and Oric and Dragon etc, etc etc) :-)
However instead of being happy with the situation as it stands where we get new crap shoved down our throats every day we should concentrate on other stuff (ie force M$ out of business) instead of getting on each other's
throat

Tim
Proud Yank
Tacoma, WA USA. ;)

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Ôçí/On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:13:04 -0700,ï(ç) White Flame (aka David Holz) <whiteflame52@y.a.h.o.o.com> Ýãñáøå/wrote:

"Sinclair QL" <ql@dokos-gr.net> wrote in message news:oprshagrb86zy5e1@nntp...

The point however is that the popularization of Computing wouldn't be
anything without British micros. Compared to US computer prices these
were
really cheap and even a kid could buy a Spectrum with his allowance.

um, which British micros help popularize computing here in the US? I
think
the Ataris, Commodores, Apples, and IBMs did that quite well on their
own.

Dude wake up, we're not alone in the world... the feedback or rather feed- thru from Europe is what made real home computing possible. And as a kid
you may have had 300 bucks to shell out for a C64 but sorry I didn't and to tell you the truth they (Sinclairs) are easier to recycle as well (not to mention that they fetch cool prices on eBay as well ;'-)


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The Starglider wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 00:59:24 +0100, Peter Thomas <see-my-sig@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:32:43 -0700, "Tim" <tjlazer@nospam.mail.com>
wrote:

Exactly, it doesn't exists. As it is unknown in the USA, and if it >>>didn't come from here, it is crap!!
Hahhahaahha

Going by your logic...

The Statue of Liberty is crap.
Any-beer-stronger-than-water is crap.

What do you expect? The Statue of Liberty is French.

And their Liberty Bell is British, The Whitechapel Bell Foundry made it in London.

And what have the Americans given us in return? Budweiser, McDonalds, and
Micky Mouse.
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:31:55 +0100, Peter Thomas <see-my-sig@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:11:30 +0100, The Starglider ><the_starglider2002@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Going by your logic...
The Statue of Liberty is crap.
Any-beer-stronger-than-water is crap.

What do you expect? The Statue of Liberty is French.

Remind us of the nationality of your girlfriend, Mr Glider... :)

This is true, but she has been here long enough to convincing hide the accent, and knows how to put all the english swearwords to good use!
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, paul s wrote:
|The Starglider wrote:
|

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 00:59:24 +0100, Peter Thomas <see-my-sig@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:32:43 -0700, "Tim" <tjlazer@nospam.mail.com> |>>wrote:

Exactly, it doesn't exists. As it is unknown in the USA, and if it |>>>didn't come from here, it is crap!!
Hahhahaahha

Going by your logic...

The Statue of Liberty is crap.
Any-beer-stronger-than-water is crap.

What do you expect? The Statue of Liberty is French.

|
|And their Liberty Bell is British, The Whitechapel Bell Foundry made it in |London.
|
|And what have the Americans given us in return? Budweiser, McDonalds,
|and Micky Mouse.

You forgot to mention Cher.


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"Tim" <tjlazer@nospam.mail.com> wrote in message news:vhec8fhc9jlfba@corp.supernews.com...

"Peter Thomas" <see-my-sig@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ofpbhvkl7v04tslfotpcbskb8idcb366n6@4ax.com...

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:32:43 -0700, "Tim" <tjlazer@nospam.mail.com>
wrote:

Exactly, it doesn't exists. As it is unknown in the USA, and if it

didn't

come from here, it is crap!!
Hahhahaahha

Going by your logic...

The Statue of Liberty is crap.
Any-beer-stronger-than-water is crap.

I was refering to Computer Logic, not everything under the sun...

Computers and Technology are supreme in the USA. Face it.

Not sure I understand:

Computers were not invented by them.
Internet was not invented by them.
Ability to harness electricity was not invented by them
TV was not invented by them
Phone was not invented by them
Come to think of it, even yanks were not invented by them (UK, Spanish,
French and Portugease invention!).

Like I keep saying, the 'great' yanks don't seem to have invented anything great at all. And, as for their history (arts, classics, discoverys, exploration, achievements, 'firsts', old masters ... nothing much at all)
it's just embarressing compared to any of the 'old' European ones (Germany,
UK, France, Italy).

Oh, I forgot, Samual Barber composed Adagio for Strings and is considered
one of the masters. Also, it has to be said they were first to land on the moon! Unfortunately, the Russians were also the first to 'land' in space!

Look at the Amiga 1000. It pioneered Multimedia in 1985.

Did that come from Europe?

Oh wait the Spectrum and the Amstrad did. LOL

The Amstrad came from Europe? Holy shit, from now on I'm going to start
liking them!

;o)


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"White Flame (aka David Holz)" <whiteflame52@y.a.h.o.o.com> wrote in message news:bf7rin$1v2v$1@barad-dur.nas.com...

"Sinclair QL" <ql@dokos-gr.net> wrote in message news:oprshagrb86zy5e1@nntp...

The point however is that the popularization of Computing wouldn't be anything without British micros. Compared to US computer prices these

were

really cheap and even a kid could buy a Spectrum with his allowance.

um, which British micros help popularize computing here in the US? I

think

the Ataris, Commodores, Apples, and IBMs did that quite well on their own.

Wouldn't have done too well without them inventing computers in the first
place though.


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Phil-on-a-hill wrote:
[UK computers]

Wouldn't have done too well without them inventing computers in the first place though.

Well no, as no-one would've known what the Germans were up to if it
hadn't been for the invention of the computer. For some reason, all the
best technology gets invented during a war.

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Phil-on-a-hill wrote:
[...]

Like I keep saying, the 'great' yanks don't seem to have invented anything great at all. And, as for their history (arts, classics, discoverys, exploration, achievements, 'firsts', old masters ... nothing much at all) it's just embarressing compared to any of the 'old' European ones (Germany, UK, France, Italy).

To me the most embarrassing was to see McDonalds in China - full of
young people preferring to spend 7.5 monetary units to buy the French
:-) fries there, while having excellent food available for 3 - 4
monetary units all around the place. It was a day when I said to myself
that the two thousand years of sophisticated culture will inevitably be _eaten_ by two hundred years of lack of one :-)

Oh, I forgot, Samual Barber composed Adagio for Strings and is considered
one of the masters. Also, it has to be said they were first to land on the moon! Unfortunately, the Russians were also the first to 'land' in space!

You probably forgot that even on the moon, the Russian Lunoxod was
strolling some time before the yanks eventually managed to land there... :-)


OK. Let the yanks rest a while...

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Wouldn't have done too well without them inventing computers in the

first

place though.

Well no, as no-one would've known what the Germans were up to if it
hadn't been for the invention of the computer. For some reason, all the
best technology gets invented during a war.

Does that include flamewars? :-)

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:28:13 -0700, "Tim" <tjlazer@nospam.mail.com>
wrote:

Exactly, it doesn't exists. As it is unknown in the USA, and if it

didn't

come from here, it is crap!!
Hahhahaahha

Going by your logic...
The Statue of Liberty is crap.
Any-beer-stronger-than-water is crap
I was refering to Computer Logic, not everything under the sun...

Then Japan kicks both the asses of Europe and the USA.

Computers and Technology are supreme in the USA. Face it.

Ah, yes, where the stable, developer-friendly, cheap, reliable and
totally secure operating system known as Windows was created. :)

Look at the Amiga 1000. It pioneered Multimedia in 1985.

No, the WWW did that.

Did that come from Europe?

The WWW was invented by a Brit in Switzerland.

Oh wait the Spectrum and the Amstrad did. LOL

They both did multimedia in their own way too.

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"Patryk 'Silver Dream !' ?ogiewa" <silverdr@inet.remove.it.pl> wrote in message news:<3f168712$1@news.inet.com.pl>...

Come to think of it, I can't think of a single contibution yanks have made to discovery or invention (or anything else).

Fast "food" ... ;-)

Ah yes, US "fast food":

Hamburgers and hot dogs: both Austro-German inventions (Hamburg and
Vienna respectively, IIRC).

Pizza, pasta, sphagetti 'n' meatballs: Italian.

The only genuine US contribution to cuisine that I know of is Chop
Suey -- and that, ironically, is usually misattributed to the Chinese!
:-)

The Merkins *did* invent rock'n'roll, it's true -- but shortly
afterwards, *we* gave the world the greatest rock band ever! :p
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paul s <nospam@nospam.forme> wrote in message news:<f1DRa.1639$j85.13291758@news-text.cableinet.net>...

A russian invented the CRT yes, Vladimir Zworykin

A Russian-born American citizen, actually. But it was *developed* and *perfected* right here in London. :-)

But the first television system was invented by John Logie Baird (the yanks despute this of course)

And so does the Royal Television Society -- who, after all, ought to
know. :-) According to the RTS (and to several other references I've
read), the so-called "Baird" televisor was invented about 40 years
earlier by a German, Paul Gottleib Nipkow. (Coded discs used in
computer systems to detect shaft rotation are called "Nipkow discs" to
this day.) And in any case, claiming that Baird (or Nipkow)
"invented" (what we now know as) "television" is rather like claiming
that Hero of Alexandria invented the steam engine.
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Ôçí/On 18 Jul 2003 14:02:41 -0700,ï(ç) Robert J Baker <korax1214@mailandnews.co.uk> Ýãñáøå/wrote:

<snip>

Pizza, pasta, sphagetti 'n' meatballs: Italian.

Hehe you're wrong.
Pizza, And pasta are both Ancient Greek (documented so) inventions. The meatballs as G'Kar said are probably the same throughout the universe (the Swedish variety btw) ;-)

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I demand that Peter van Merkerk may or may not have written...

Acorn Archimedes, the first RISC home computer. [...] Even Intel with its vast development resources decided to license this processor architecture.

Almost; Digital bought a licence, and Intel acquired it from them.

To this day descendants of the original ARM processor can be found in many PDAs and other embedded applications [...]

Not to mention desktop computers, new and not so new.

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Peter van Merkerk wrote:

Wouldn't have done too well without them inventing computers in the

first

place though.

Well no, as no-one would've known what the Germans were up to if it
hadn't been for the invention of the computer. For some reason, all the >>best technology gets invented during a war.

Does that include flamewars? :-)

I expect the flamewar was the reason for inventing the killfile; read
into that what you will :-)

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All your bast are belong to us AKA Graham Lee, Wadham College SpectrumSofts currently on show at URL/speccy/: Speccy@Home SETI Client
Also the home of iloveyou.bas, the first PC virus ported to the ZX82!!!

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Phil-on-a-hill wrote ...

Computers and Technology are supreme in the USA. Face it.

Not sure I understand:

Computers were not invented by them.

The first general-purpose all-electronic computer was constructed in 1946 at the University of Pennsylvania by the American engineer John Presper Eckert, Jr. and the American physicist John William Mauchly. Ever heard of ENIAC?

Internet was not invented by them.

The Internet technology was developed principally by American computer scientist Vinton Cerf in 1973 as part of a United States Department of
Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) project managed by
American engineer Robert Kahn.

Ability to harness electricity was not invented by them

But we did do our share. For example, the alternating-current system of
power generation and distribution was developed by the American inventors Nikola Tesla and George Westinghouse. And how about Thomas Edison and the light bulb?

TV was not invented by them

We did our share there too. The first truly successful television pickup devices (cameras) were the iconoscope, which was invented by the
Russian-born American physicist Vladimir Kosma Zworykin in 1923, and the
image dissector tube, invented by the American radio engineer Philo Taylor Farnsworth shortly thereafter.

Phone was not invented by them

The telephone was invented by the American physicist and inventor Alexander Graham Bell.

Come to think of it, even yanks were not invented by them (UK, Spanish, >French and Portugease invention!).

You left out the Irish.

Best regards,

Sam Gillett aka Mars Probe @ Starship Intrepid 1-972-221-4088
Last 8-bit BBS in the Dallas area. Commodore lives!





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paul s wrote ...

And their Liberty Bell is British, The Whitechapel Bell Foundry made it in >London.

It arrived in Philadelphia in August 1752 and was cracked while being
tested, probably due to defective British materials and workmanship. It was melted down, and a second bell was cast in April 1753, but this one was also defective. There is only so much you can do with cruddy materials. Some
true artisans made a third attempt to cast a bell in June of that year, at
the American firm of Pass and Stowe in Philadelphia. On June 7, 1753, the
third bell was hung in the tower of Independence Hall. In 1835 it cracked again. Even the most skilled of craftsmen had not been able to cast a bell that would last from materials imported from England.

And what have the Americans given us in return? Budweiser, McDonalds, and >Micky Mouse.

You forgot Woody Woodpecker, Star Trek, and Buffy.

And how about the transistor?

Best regards,

Sam Gillett aka Mars Probe @ Starship Intrepid 1-972-221-4088
Last 8-bit BBS in the Dallas area. Commodore lives!




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"Sam Gillett" <samgillett@msn.com> wrote in news:JZ6Sa.42849$kI5.40024@nwrddc02.gnilink.net:

The telephone was invented by the American physicist and inventor
Alexander Graham Bell.

Since when was Bell American? He was born in 1847 in Edinburgh.
He was Scottish.
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"Derek Jolly" <derek.jolly@deadspam.com> wrote in message news:Xns93BD6028D45C9derekjollydeadspamco@195.92.193.157...

"Sam Gillett" <samgillett@msn.com> wrote in news:JZ6Sa.42849$kI5.40024@nwrddc02.gnilink.net:

The telephone was invented by the American physicist and inventor
Alexander Graham Bell.

Since when was Bell American? He was born in 1847 in Edinburgh.
He was Scottish.

I thought everyone knew that? Can anyone think of something the yanks did invent though (apart from light bulbs ... and nukes).


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Ôçí/On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 08:06:00 GMT,ï(ç) Sam Gillett <samgillett@msn.com> Ýãñáøå/wrote:

Sinclair QL wrote ...

The Newcomen engine however was the first REAL application of a steam
engine.

Hate to burst your bubble... but the first piston type steam engine was developed in 1690 by the French physicist and inventor Denis Papin.

Best regards,

Sam Gillett aka Mars Probe @ Starship Intrepid 1-972-221-4088
Last 8-bit BBS in the Dallas area. Commodore lives!

Apparently you lack READING skills. (And my bubble is intact thank you very much).
I repeat.. "The Newcomen engine however was the first REAL application...."


Got it? or should I start drawing it instead?

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Ôçí/On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 08:06:01 GMT,ï(ç) Sam Gillett <samgillett@msn.com> Ýãñáøå/wrote:

The first general-purpose all-electronic computer was constructed in 1946
at
the University of Pennsylvania by the American engineer John Presper
Eckert,
Jr. and the American physicist John William Mauchly. Ever heard of
ENIAC?

Constructed but NOT invented. Fundamental difference. I thought we really didn't want to twist history? Or do we still write it in our own liking
since we are the victors anyway. No wonder they despise us...

But we did do our share. For example, the alternating-current system of power generation and distribution was developed by the American inventors Nikola Tesla and George Westinghouse. And how about Thomas Edison and
the
light bulb?

Tesla was never an American. He was Croatian and remained so to the end. He was dismissed by everyone in this country as the village idiot one time too many. His hotel room was even raided by the FBI after he died.
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And how about the transistor?

Valves are much better :-)


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"Sam Gillett" <samgillett@msn.com> wrote in message news:<JZ6Sa.42848$kI5.25544@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>...

However, Elvis is still the KING of Rock 'n' Roll. ;-)

Strange how widespread this particular delusion is, given that for
about 90% of Presley's career he didn't actually do any rock'n'roll!
:p
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