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"Ross Simpson" <Hi_Mr_Spammer@nowhere.com.au> wrote in message news:3f07d6e9$0$30817$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

I'm setting up a poll in Vintage Computer systems in relation

Weetomuncher's

"Which old 8 bit computer titles should be updated?"

Protext.

Oops, it already has been.

--
Brian
"Style advisor to the seasonally-challenged"


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Ross Simpson wrote:

I'm setting up a poll in Vintage Computer systems in relation
Weetomuncher's "Which old 8 bit computer titles should be updated?" &
"Should Dizzy Return?" threads because I'am certain they are
inappropriate here. Why should I be interested in hearing about my
favourite games going to a crappy Windoze system, IMO they should be
posted into a Windoze newgroup.

I'll vote here, thanks. And judging by the interest (in weetomuncher's posts) so
far, your argument seems to carry very little weight. I enjoy using windows, and
programming for it.

Your favourite games *should* be ported/remade for windows/linux/psx/whatever - because no matter how crappy the system is (in your own opinion), someone else loves it.

D.



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Your favourite games *should* be ported/remade for

windows/linux/psx/whatever -

because no matter how crappy the system is (in your own opinion), someone

else

loves it.

Agreed.

F.


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"Flavio "Senesino" FBG" <flavioREMOVE@ffbg.net> wrote in message...

Your favourite games *should* be ported/remade for windows/linux/psx/whatever - because no matter how
crappy the system is (in your own opinion), someone
else loves it.

Agreed.

Okay, I'm sorry for the bullying tactics. I'm more
concerned about the relevance of it in here. Let me
ask you this, you don't see me post messages about
how I wrote a Pacman clone for such & such a system
in here do you? Well I have & I certainally didn't
post about it in any of these groups! Til now that
is! :-)

I'm sure if a great many people from these groups
are interested in this proposal, then forming a
newsgroup from the expressions of interest
shouldn't be an issue. Google groups is a good
place where requests can be made to create a new
group.

Cheers,
Ross.


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On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 20:57:27 +1000, "Ross Simpson" <Hi_Mr_Spammer@nowhere.com.au> wrote:

I'm setting up a poll in Vintage Computer systems in relation
Weetomuncher's "Which old 8 bit computer titles should be updated?" &
"Should Dizzy Return?" threads because I'am certain they are
inappropriate here. Why should I be interested in hearing about my
favourite games going to a crappy Windoze system, IMO they should be
posted into a Windoze newgroup.

I'll vote here, thanks. And judging by the interest (in weetomuncher's >posts) so
far, your argument seems to carry very little weight. I enjoy using >windows, and
programming for it.
Your favourite games *should* be ported/remade for >windows/linux/psx/whatever -
because no matter how crappy the system is (in your own opinion), someone >else
loves it.

Personally, I don't care if it is written for those environments. >Unfortunately the Windozing fanatic

There's hardly anyone from CSS who is pro-Microsoft!

failed to realise that (s)he was posting
in newsgroups made for Amstrad CPC computers (not Amstrad IBM compatible >PCs), Commodore users & Sinclair users.

So what are YOU doing using the following newsreader?

X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600

Tell me, what model of Amstrad/Spectrum/QL/Commodore have Microsoft
got Outlook Express 5 to run on? Looks like you have broken your own
rule!

They should have posted this stuff
into a Windows newsgroup.

Says who?

And who said it had to be for Windows anyway? The original messages
that started this off, makes no mention of Windows. The guy who posted
them didn't even send it from a PC.

If however there is no suitable Windows group,
then they can put in a request with their ISP (who will contact the right >people) & create a newsgroup which is suitable for discussions on Old games >for Windows. Sorry if I sound so rude about this, but this has just gone too >far.

I don't think you are sorry that you're sounding rude.

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horseshoe ¦ You buy a shot of vodka or water.
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Ross Simpson wrote:

"Dunny" <paul.dunn4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message...

I'm setting up a poll in Vintage Computer systems in relation >>>Weetomuncher's "Which old 8 bit computer titles should be updated?" & >>>"Should Dizzy Return?" threads because I'am certain they are >>>inappropriate here. Why should I be interested in hearing about my >>>favourite games going to a crappy Windoze system, IMO they should be >>>posted into a Windoze newgroup.

Personally, I don't care if it is written for those environments.

Then why go to the trouble of setting up a poll on your site? Polls are usually created because the creator wants to know the outcome; although
there is the 'Slashdot' exception in which they're created because some
people want to press pretty buttons and other want to complain that the CowboyNeal option has been axed.

Unfortunately the Windozing fanatic failed to realise that (s)he was posting in newsgroups made for Amstrad CPC computers (not Amstrad IBM compatible PCs), Commodore users & Sinclair users. They should have posted this stuff into a Windows newsgroup.

The post in question had the subject "Which 8 bit computer titles should
be updated?" and did not *once* mention Windows. It was about making up-to-date versions of classic 8-bit games, and as all of the froups
posted to were for people who used 8-bit systems, I'd say the post was fantastically on-topic (especially for CSS, where flamewars discussing
whether cheese n onion should be green or blue are more common). The
fact that you think the phrase
"I would love to see Dizzy, Rainbow Islands, St Dragon, Battle Command, Midnight Resistance, Plotting, Silkworm, SWIV, Mutants, Chase HQ and
WEC Le Mans brought bang up to date!"
is an example of Windows zealotry suggests that you don't know much
about modern computing - have a look at my headers. But then, what's to
stop people creating 'bang up to date' versions of 8 bit games on 8 bit
boxen? I mean, if you created a Speccy or CPC compatible using the
z8encore! processor, then you'd have a 50MHz system. Or you could even
write the update on the original computer, bringing it up to date as
regards the setting, fixing bugs, changing the graphics a la
hijackulator, etc. For instance, Carrier Command could become Patriot Command, Caverns of Chaos could be remade as Caverns of Al-Qaida
Resistance, etc. etc.

If however there is no suitable Windows group,
then they can put in a request with their ISP (who will contact the right people) & create a newsgroup which is suitable for discussions on Old games for Windows. Sorry if I sound so rude about this, but this has just gone too far.

One usually goes through posting RFCs, CFVs etc in order to create a new newsgroup; all you have to do as regards your ISP is contact them to ask
them to carry it on their feed once you have the group up-and-running.
But Windows has its own newsgroup(s) over at news.microsoft.com, which
is a publically accessible, unmoderated feed.
As regards it going too far, Weetomuncher created *one* post, which you misinterpreted and decided to take on a holy war. So who was
responsible for it going too far?

--
Frodo Morris http://users.ox.ac.uk/~wadh1342
All your bast are belong to us AKA Graham Lee, Wadham College SpectrumSofts currently on show at URL/speccy/: Speccy@Home SETI Client
Also the home of iloveyou.bas, the first PC virus ported to the ZX82!!!

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On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 13:18:12 +0100, Frodo Morris <graham.lee@wadham.ox.invalid.ac.uk> wrote:

Unfortunately the Windozing fanatic failed to realise that (s)he was posting >> in newsgroups made for Amstrad CPC computers (not Amstrad IBM compatible
PCs), Commodore users & Sinclair users. They should have posted this stuff >> into a Windows newsgroup.

The post in question had the subject "Which 8 bit computer titles should
be updated?" and did not *once* mention Windows. It was about making >up-to-date versions of classic 8-bit games, and as all of the froups
posted to were for people who used 8-bit systems, I'd say the post was >fantastically on-topic (especially for CSS, where flamewars discussing >whether cheese n onion should be green or blue are more common). The
fact that you think the phrase
"I would love to see Dizzy, Rainbow Islands, St Dragon, Battle Command, >Midnight Resistance, Plotting, Silkworm, SWIV, Mutants, Chase HQ and
WEC Le Mans brought bang up to date!"
is an example of Windows zealotry suggests that you don't know much
about modern computing

Especially when it's quoted by a non-Windows user, who has in the
past, stated his hatred for Microsoft's dominance of the IT world.

- have a look at my headers.

And have a look at his... Microsoft OE5 :)

--
pete [at] ¦ In development: Beer Chaos.
horseshoe ¦ You buy a shot of vodka or water.
[hyphen] ¦ Anyone choosing to disbelieve it has to
inn [dot] ¦ down it.
co [dot] uk¦
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"stating that I shall take all the crappy Windoze games & rewrite them for
an
Amstrad/Sinclar/C64/whatever!" Well get started on DOOM for the Sinclair, I would like to see you fit that in less than 48K ;-)


"Ross Simpson" <Hi_Mr_Spammer@nowhere.com.au> wrote in message news:3f07d6e9$0$30817$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

I'm setting up a poll in Vintage Computer systems in relation

Weetomuncher's

"Which old 8 bit computer titles should be updated?" & "Should Dizzy
Return?" threads because I'am certain they are inappropriate here. Why
should I be interested in hearing about my favourite games going to a

crappy

Windoze system, IMO they should be posted into a Windoze newgroup.

I'm more or less doing the same thing as posting in a Windoze newsgroup stating that I shall take all the crappy Windoze games & rewrite them for

an

Amstrad/Sinclar/C64/whatever!

The poll is here, feel free to submit your votes there: http://vintage-computer.com/vcforum/viewtopic.php?p=1065#1065

Cheers,
Ross.

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Allan Robertson wrote in
<_BYNa.577$q45.447@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>:

Well get started on DOOM for the
Sinclair, I would like to see you fit that in less than 48K ;-)

Why on earth would you want to do that? The 128K version works
perfectly well.

http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseek.cgi?regexp=^Doom$&pub=^Digital+Reality$

--
http://www.zxdemo.org/ - the home of the Spectrum demo scene
"there's a breach in security, a disturbance in the chuntey"
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Ross Simpson wrote in <3f080844$0$5428$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>:

I'm sure if a great many people from these groups
are interested in this proposal, then forming a
newsgroup from the expressions of interest
shouldn't be an issue. Google groups is a good
place where requests can be made to create a new
group.

No, Google only have authority over the google.* hierarchy. A good place
for requests is somewhere like alt.config or news.groups, and getting a
group created generally involves long drawn-out discussions, voting
procedures and flame wars - basically, you'd have a very hard time
convincing enough people that
- this discussion isn't appropriate for these groups
- this discussion is getting in the way of more 'worthy' discussion
- a new group will achieve anything at all.

--
http://www.zxdemo.org/ - the home of the Spectrum demo scene
"there's a breach in security, a disturbance in the chuntey"
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"Ross Simpson" <Hi_Mr_Spammer@nowhere.com.au> wrote in message news:3f07d6e9$0$30817$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

I'm setting up a poll in Vintage Computer systems in relation

Weetomuncher's

"Which old 8 bit computer titles should be updated?" & "Should Dizzy
Return?" threads because I'am certain they are inappropriate here. Why

This is for you and weetomuncher: How about setting up a new newsgroup?

alt.pointless.8bitpolls.boring.boring.boring

Sill


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Peter Thomas wrote:

On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 13:18:12 +0100, Frodo Morris <graham.lee@wadham.ox.invalid.ac.uk> wrote:

- have a look at my headers.

And have a look at his... Microsoft OE5 :)

Wouldn't it be prudent for a Windows user to keep up-to-date with
software revisions and patches?

--
Frodo Morris http://users.ox.ac.uk/~wadh1342
All your bast are belong to us AKA Graham Lee, Wadham College SpectrumSofts currently on show at URL/speccy/: Speccy@Home SETI Client
Also the home of iloveyou.bas, the first PC virus ported to the ZX82!!!

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Ross Simpson <Hi_Mr_Spammer@nowhere.com.au> did eloquently scribble:

"Flavio "Senesino" FBG" <flavioREMOVE@ffbg.net> wrote in message...

Your favourite games *should* be ported/remade for
windows/linux/psx/whatever - because no matter how
crappy the system is (in your own opinion), someone
else loves it.

Agreed.

Okay, I'm sorry for the bullying tactics. I'm more
concerned about the relevance of it in here.

It's perfectly relevant "In here".
Don't know (or care) about amstrad or commode groups, but in here it's perfectly relevant.

Let me

ask you this, you don't see me post messages about
how I wrote a Pacman clone for such & such a system
in here do you?

Errrr, why would we, this is the first thread we've ever seen posted by you
"in here". If you had, no-one would've batted an eyelid. It's just you who's being so anal.

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Frodo Morris wrote in message ...

Peter Thomas wrote:

On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 13:18:12 +0100, Frodo Morris
<graham.lee@wadham.ox.invalid.ac.uk> wrote:

- have a look at my headers.

And have a look at his... Microsoft OE5 :)

Wouldn't it be prudent for a Windows user to keep up-to-date with
software revisions and patches?

All depends... I'm using a seven year old machine, and don't have enough
free drive space to upgrade to the latest version of IE and OE.

But then, I don't tend to go out and buy a new computer every couple of
years, like some people do. I use a computer as long as it's still useful. There is an 8-bit machine set up right beside the newer one I'm typing on at the moment... and it's turned on too!

Best regards,

Sam Gillett aka Mars Probe @ Starship Intrepid 1-972-221-4088
Last 8-bit BBS in the Dallas area. Commodore lives!





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Dave wrote ...

No mention of Windows in the original post. Granted, if it had said "I'd
love to see a Windows version of Wizball" it would have been a bit >inflammatory given some people's love of Mr. Gates - but it would have
been on topic.

Draw a pentagram on the floor. Stand in the center of it. Say "Bill Gates" backwards three times quickly and a demon will appear! (Or maybe that
should be, an IRS agent will appear... haven't used that spell lately.)
;-)

Best regards,

Sam Gillett aka Mars Probe @ Starship Intrepid 1-972-221-4088
Last 8-bit BBS in the Dallas area. Commodore lives!







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"Allan Robertson" <arsc12471@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message...

"stating that I shall take all the crappy Windoze games & rewrite them for
an
Amstrad/Sinclar/C64/whatever!" Well get started on DOOM for the Sinclair,

I

would like to see you fit that in less than 48K ;-)

I believe it could be done. It may not be the same or course, but that's
what's
it's all about. BTW, DOOM is a DOS game! Doesn't the Sinclair handle Multi-loads?

Cheers,
Ross.


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Sam Gillett wrote:

Frodo Morris wrote in message ...

Peter Thomas wrote:

On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 13:18:12 +0100, Frodo Morris >>><graham.lee@wadham.ox.invalid.ac.uk> wrote:

- have a look at my headers.

And have a look at his... Microsoft OE5 :)

Wouldn't it be prudent for a Windows user to keep up-to-date with
software revisions and patches?

All depends... I'm using a seven year old machine, and don't have enough
free drive space to upgrade to the latest version of IE and OE.

So you have to accept that there exists a list of exploits for your
software, and surf carefully. This is perfectly achievable.

But then, I don't tend to go out and buy a new computer every couple of years, like some people do. I use a computer as long as it's still useful. There is an 8-bit machine set up right beside the newer one I'm typing on at the moment... and it's turned on too!

Just the one? I have about twelve, and all are patched up to date -
because in most cases there haven't been any patches released! In fact,
my Z88 is here, and I only have OZ3 rather than OZ4, but then, I don't
use it on the interweb, so security isn't an issue. When it comes to
actual work however, although my Z88 is used a lot, I tend to use a 32
bit machine for most stuff - specifically, my QL. The PC is used for
watching videos, playing games, surfing, emulating, programming, and
general messing about on. And hosts a web server.

--
FM

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Frodo Morris wrote ...

Sam Gillett wrote:

But then, I don't tend to go out and buy a new computer every couple of
years, like some people do. I use a computer as long as it's still
useful. There is an 8-bit machine set up right beside the newer one I'm
typing on at the moment... and it's turned on too!

Just the one? I have about twelve, and all are patched up to date -
because in most cases there haven't been any patches released! In fact,
my Z88 is here, and I only have OZ3 rather than OZ4, but then, I don't
use it on the interweb, so security isn't an issue. When it comes to
actual work however, although my Z88 is used a lot, I tend to use a 32
bit machine for most stuff - specifically, my QL. The PC is used for >watching videos, playing games, surfing, emulating, programming, and
general messing about on. And hosts a web server.

You are lucky to have enough space to set several old computers up. The old machines are the most fun to play with (when there is enough time..).

I have a Commodore 128 setup and running. It has the last BBS in my area running on an 8-bit machine on it. This 7 year old PC that I use mostly for internet, email, and newsgroups. And a 2 Ghz machine with half a gig of RAM that I use for more serious uses.

The wife won't let me have space to set up another computer, or I would!
:-)

Best regards,

Sam Gillett aka Mars Probe @ Starship Intrepid 1-972-221-4088
Last 8-bit BBS in the Dallas area. Commodore lives!









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spike1@freenet.co.uk wrote:

Ross Simpson <Hi_Mr_Spammer@nowhere.com.au> did eloquently scribble:

Wrong, I posted messages in there before, but you're obviously not >>interested in Jupiter Ace computing. Another reason why another group
could be setup for it! ;-)

Ahhh, more hypocracy?
Jupiter isn't Sinclair, therefore you were posting (in your words) of topically to a group...

Hmmmm...

Wouldn't it be interesting if the topic for a newsgroup was set
fascistically by the name of the group? ox.talk would rapidly become inhabited only by cattle with the gift of speech..., and most of the
groups would be solely populated by persons with the name 'Dorothy', as
in "talk dot origins"
--
FM

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