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  • Re: 1581copy?

    From mg@mg@here.com to comp.sys.cbm on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 10:48:40
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    Hi Womo,

    Can you explain this swapped SideIDs aspect a bit more or point me to
    more info?

    Mike G

    On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:08:34 +0200, Wolfgang Moser <wnah@d81.de>
    wrote:

    These SideIDs in the headers of each
    sector are the real difference betweeen CBM formatted disks
    and IBM formatted disks. If Commodore would have used a
    format without these swapped SideIDs, then we all could read
    and write these disks with the standard BIOS routines. But
    they didn't and therefore I needed to program the floppy
    disk controller directly.

    Womo

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  • From Wolfgang Moser@wnaw@d81.de to comp.sys.cbm on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 15:24:35
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    Hello Mike,


    mg@here.com wrote:
    Hi Womo,

    Can you explain this swapped SideIDs aspect a bit more or point me to
    more info?


    please have a look in some dodumentation about common MFM
    recording format. Maybe you also look for the IBM System 34
    format specifications. You'll surely recognize, that every
    MFM sector got an associated header field, where some
    parameters are stored (Cylinder number, Head number, Size
    of the Sector, ...).
    Get 1581-Copy from http://d81.de and have a look into the
    source code file FDCLOWLV.H . It's header comment contains
    many URLs to various documentation. Look out especially for
    the intel datasheets.

    IBM PC compatible MFM formats always store a "0" into the
    head number field, if the disk side is accessed by head 0
    and a "1" if a disk sector is read/written by head 1.
    Commodore did it the inverse way.


    Womo



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  • From silverdr@silverdr@inet.remove.it.pl to comp.sys.cbm on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 11:09:13
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    Wolfgang Moser wrote:

    Can you explain this swapped SideIDs aspect a bit more or point me to
    more info?

    [...]


    IBM PC compatible MFM formats always store a "0" into the
    head number field, if the disk side is accessed by head 0
    and a "1" if a disk sector is read/written by head 1.
    Commodore did it the inverse way.

    huh, I suppose we don't really know who did it the "inverse way". It
    simply depends on which head you start numbering from ;-) I remember I
    saw a lot of 3.5" floppy drives' insides some years ago and I remember wondering about the inconsistencies with the numbering even on their
    PCBs connectors...

    P.S. It's just for this tiny, puritanic bit of my soul, which wouldn't
    rest in peace if I haven't written this. :-)

    --
    The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to
    choose from!

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  • From Wolfgang Moser@wnaw@d81.de to comp.sys.cbm on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 12:23:44
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    Hi Patryk, you wrote:
    Wolfgang Moser wrote:
    IBM PC compatible MFM formats always store a "0" into the
    head number field, if the disk side is accessed by head 0
    and a "1" if a disk sector is read/written by head 1.
    Commodore did it the inverse way.

    huh, I suppose we don't really know who did it the "inverse way". It
    Oh yes, sure, it all depends on some definitions in the
    specifications. While IBM specified the System 34 recording
    format, Commodore may have done another one. It may possible
    also, that the right view depends on the controller hardware:
    NEC µPD765 and compatibles against WD1770 and it's compatible
    controllers.
    Because _my_ personal view (for 1581-Copy) is the PC's floppy
    disk controller, which is a extended µPD765 compatible FDC,
    I call "side 0", what the controller tells me beeing side 0.
    Well, with the high level API of 1581-Copy I changed the view
    from the IBM one to the CBM one.
    Womo
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