It's not clear if this is a temporary problem or a permananent one. One reason why having apps only downloadable from one source is a problem
for those of us still using perfectly working older devices - it's just another part of enforced obsolescence by tech companies. :-(
Apple breaks the Mac App Store for macOS Sierra users
-----------------------------------------------------
A back end change to the Mac App Store appears to have shut out
users of macOS Sierra and older versions, blocking not just
purchases, but also downloads of software already bought.
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/02/07/apple-breaks-the-mac-app-store-for-macos-sierra-users>
It's not clear if this is a temporary problem or a permananent one. One reason why having apps only downloadable from one source is a problem
for those of us still using perfectly working older devices - it's just another part of enforced obsolescence by tech companies. :-(
On Feb 7, 2025 at 6:53:09 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
It's not clear if this is a temporary problem or a permananent one. One
reason why having apps only downloadable from one source is a problem
for those of us still using perfectly working older devices - it's just
another part of enforced obsolescence by tech companies. :-(
Who cares? The Mac "App Store" is even more useless than the Windows "App Store".
Neither is necessary. Everthing you want/need can be downloaded from the developers' websites.
On Feb 7, 2025 at 6:53:09 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
It's not clear if this is a temporary problem or a permananent one. One
reason why having apps only downloadable from one source is a problem
for those of us still using perfectly working older devices - it's just
another part of enforced obsolescence by tech companies. :-(
Who cares? The Mac "App Store" is even more useless than the Windows "App Store".
Neither is necessary. Everthing you want/need can be downloaded from the developers' websites.
On 2025-02-08 05:32:31 +0000, Tyrone said:
On Feb 7, 2025 at 6:53:09 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
It's not clear if this is a temporary problem or a permananent one. One
reason why having apps only downloadable from one source is a problem
for those of us still using perfectly working older devices - it's just
another part of enforced obsolescence by tech companies. :-(
Who cares? The Mac "App Store" is even more useless than the Windows "App >> Store".
Neither is necessary. Everthing you want/need can be downloaded from the
developers' websites.
Except MacOS itself, Apple's own apps (Pages, etc.), many other apps
that the developers do not have on other websites.
On 2025-02-08 05:32:31 +0000, Tyrone said:wrote:
On Feb 7, 2025 at 6:53:09 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com>
It's not clear if this is a temporary problem or a permananent one. One
reason why having apps only downloadable from one source is a problem
for those of us still using perfectly working older devices - it's just
another part of enforced obsolescence by tech companies. :-(
Who cares? The Mac "App Store" is even more useless than the Windows "App Store".
Neither is necessary. Everthing you want/need can be downloaded from the developers' websites.
Except MacOS itself, Apple's own apps (Pages, etc.), many other apps
that the developers do not have on other websites.
On 08.02.25 06:32, Tyrone wrote:
On Feb 7, 2025 at 6:53:09 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
It's not clear if this is a temporary problem or a permananent one. One
reason why having apps only downloadable from one source is a problem
for those of us still using perfectly working older devices - it's just
another part of enforced obsolescence by tech companies. :-(
Who cares? The Mac "App Store" is even more useless than the Windows "App >> Store".
Neither is necessary. Everthing you want/need can be downloaded from the
developers' websites.
+1
Nobody needs a Nanny.
On Feb 7, 2025 at 6:53:09?PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
It's not clear if this is a temporary problem or a permananent one. One reason why having apps only downloadable from one source is a problem
for those of us still using perfectly working older devices - it's just another part of enforced obsolescence by tech companies. :-(
Who cares? The Mac "App Store" is even more useless than the Windows "App Store".
Neither is necessary. Everthing you want/need can be downloaded from the developers' websites.
In article <vo6qo0$3u0bg$1@dont-email.me>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-02-08 05:32:31 +0000, Tyrone said:wrote:
On Feb 7, 2025 at 6:53:09 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com>
It's not clear if this is a temporary problem or a permananent one. One >>>> reason why having apps only downloadable from one source is a problem
for those of us still using perfectly working older devices - it's just >>>> another part of enforced obsolescence by tech companies. :-(
Who cares? The Mac "App Store" is even more useless than the Windows "App >>> Store".
Neither is necessary. Everthing you want/need can be downloaded from the >>> developers' websites.
Except MacOS itself, Apple's own apps (Pages, etc.), many other apps
that the developers do not have on other websites.
The App Store has always felt very poorly implemented. I don't mind the concept of it in principle, but it feels very un-Apple in its clunkiness.
Kinda related gripe; I have a fully-functioning, near-pristine original
iPad that I haven't been able to do a damn thing with for years as it is unable to connect to the App Store, they cut its iOS off from connecting
to it. In an ideal world, Apple would allow for these outdated machines to still connect and access older versions of apps (it used to be the case
that I could buy/download an app on my modern iPhone, and then visit the
App Store on the iPad and be able to download an older, compatible version
of the app - this squeezed a few more years of use out of my iPad but
can't even do that now, and I didn't realise that until I had reset it to factory settings and went to grab a few key apps...).
On Feb 8, 2025 at 8:57:21 AM PST, "scole" <scole> wrote:
Kinda related gripe; I have a fully-functioning, near-pristine original iPad that I haven't been able to do a damn thing with for years as it is unable to connect to the App Store, they cut its iOS off from connecting
to it. In an ideal world, Apple would allow for these outdated machines to still connect and access older versions of apps (it used to be the case that I could buy/download an app on my modern iPhone, and then visit the App Store on the iPad and be able to download an older, compatible version of the app - this squeezed a few more years of use out of my iPad but
can't even do that now, and I didn't realise that until I had reset it to factory settings and went to grab a few key apps...).
My neighbor had one of these I pads she fished out of her closet while she was
attempting to Marie Kondo her condo. The last email we could see on it was over 3 years ago and it wouldn't connect to Gmail any more. Nor would it connect to iCloud or the Apple Store.
I couldn't factory reset it as it required logging into iCloud to do so. So I told her to take it to the Apple Store and tell them to shred it.
In article <kQQpP.19723$Dov4.1213@fx15.iad>, Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> wrote:i dont know about any of that there is many YouTubers with tutorials on
On Feb 8, 2025 at 8:57:21 AM PST, "scole" <scole> wrote:
Kinda related gripe; I have a fully-functioning, near-pristine original
iPad that I haven't been able to do a damn thing with for years as it is >>> unable to connect to the App Store, they cut its iOS off from connecting >>> to it. In an ideal world, Apple would allow for these outdated machines to >>> still connect and access older versions of apps (it used to be the case
that I could buy/download an app on my modern iPhone, and then visit the >>> App Store on the iPad and be able to download an older, compatible version >>> of the app - this squeezed a few more years of use out of my iPad but
can't even do that now, and I didn't realise that until I had reset it to >>> factory settings and went to grab a few key apps...).
My neighbor had one of these I pads she fished out of her closet while she was
attempting to Marie Kondo her condo. The last email we could see on it was >> over 3 years ago and it wouldn't connect to Gmail any more. Nor would it
connect to iCloud or the Apple Store.
I couldn't factory reset it as it required logging into iCloud to do so. So I
told her to take it to the Apple Store and tell them to shred it.
This iPad ran two apps perfectly still; NewsTap, an iOS newsreader, and NetFlix. If I had known that I wasn't going to be able to be able to get
back into the App Store to get these two specific apps again, I wouldn't
have done the factory reset... Lesson learned there, research better
before doing anything irreversible...
I did look into jailbreaking it but I went round and round in circles on
that for several evenings, reading confusing and contradictory wikis and following dead links, so I gave up. The iPad is in a storage bin in my garage, and will likely stay there forever more.
On 08.02.25 06:32, Tyrone wrote:
On Feb 7, 2025 at 6:53:09 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
It's not clear if this is a temporary problem or a permananent one. One
reason why having apps only downloadable from one source is a problem
for those of us still using perfectly working older devices - it's just
another part of enforced obsolescence by tech companies. :-(
Who cares? The Mac "App Store" is even more useless than the Windows "App >> Store".
Neither is necessary. Everthing you want/need can be downloaded from the
developers' websites.
+1
Nobody needs a Nanny.
I just bought a 2017 iMac running Ventura (so I can run the latest
Firefox), right beside it is a 2014 iMac running Mojave. I've been dowloading a lot of new apps that will run on the 2017 iMac and it
really gets tiresome going through the kabuki dance of "Open Anyway" in
the Privacy & Security preference every time I want to launch a new app
I downloaded from MacUpdate.com.
I'll have to say I enjoy working on the 2014 iMac running Mojave better
than working in Ventura. Why does Apple keep making their desktop GUI's weirder as time goes on? The iPhone revolution I guess.
On 2026-08-18 23:18:48 +0000, super70s said:
I just bought a 2017 iMac running Ventura (so I can run the latest
Firefox), right beside it is a 2014 iMac running Mojave. I've been
dowloading a lot of new apps that will run on the 2017 iMac and it
really gets tiresome going through the kabuki dance of "Open Anyway" in
the Privacy & Security preference every time I want to launch a new app
I downloaded from MacUpdate.com.
I'm still using High Sierra, but according to some places these options still works in Ventura and Sonoma
Option 1:
Instead of double-clicking a newly installed app, right click on the
new app and choose "Open", then confirm you understand you're opening
an 'unknown' app. Usually this works, but for some stubborn apps you
may need to use Option 2.
Option 2:
You can turn off Gatekeeper by using the Terminal command
sudo spctl --master-disable
That reinstates the hidden "Anywhere" option as the default in System Settings > Privacy & Security to let you more easily open any new app
by double-clicking them as normal.
If you want to turn GateKeeper back on (and hide the "Anywhere" option) after new app has been opened for the first time, use the Terminal
command
sudo spctl --master-enable
I'll have to say I enjoy working on the 2014 iMac running Mojave better
than working in Ventura. Why does Apple keep making their desktop GUI's
weirder as time goes on? The iPhone revolution I guess.
Because Apple keeps adding more and more gimmickry, rather than fixing
the actual existing issues.
It's getting even worse with all the useless "AI" nonsense being
shovelled in now too. :-(
On 2026-08-19 00:05:18 +0000, Your Name said:
On 2026-08-18 23:18:48 +0000, super70s said:
I just bought a 2017 iMac running Ventura (so I can run the latest
irefox), right beside it is a 2014 iMac running Mojave. I've been
dowloading a lot of new apps that will run on the 2017 iMac and it
really gets tiresome oing through the kabuki dance of "Open Anyway" in
the Privacy & Security reference every time I want to launch a new app
I downloaded from MacUpdate.com.
I'm still using High Sierra, but according to some places these options
still works in Ventura and Sonoma
Option 1:
Instead of double-clicking a newly installed app, right click on the
new app and choose "Open", then confirm you understand you're opening
an 'unknown' app. Usually this works, but for some stubborn apps you
may need to use Option 2.
Option 2:
You can turn off Gatekeeper by using the Terminal command
sudo spctl --master-disable
That reinstates the hidden "Anywhere" option as the default in System
Settings > Privacy & Security to let you more easily open any new app
by double-clicking them as normal.
If you want to turn GateKeeper back on (and hide the "Anywhere" option)
after new app has been opened for the first time, use the Terminal
command
sudo spctl --master-enable
I really don't d/l new apps all that often, I've pretty much got the
2017 iMac set up the way I want.
Ventura won't support the old 32-bit Intel software so I had to make
some updates and find some alternatives for a few favorite apps.
I'll have to say I enjoy working on the 2014 iMac running Mojave better >>> than working in Ventura. Why does Apple keep making their desktop GUI's >>> weirder as time goes on? The iPhone revolution I guess.
Because Apple keeps adding more and more gimmickry, rather than fixing
the actual existing issues.
The biggest PITB about Ventura is you have to option-click to get a
pop-up for a folder to open in a new window. That has to be inspired by
cell phone swiping.
And no window can be any smaller than the largest window you have on
the computer, or you have to scroll to see icons on the largest window.
What a waste of screen real estate.
Crazy stuff IMO, just because something works better on an iPhone
doesn't mean it translates on a desktop.
(If anybody knows of any extensions to give you more control over the
Finder in Ventura and other more modern OS versions I would appreciate knowing.)
It's getting even worse with all the useless "AI" nonsense being
shovelled in now too. :-(
Yeah I notice they're plugging the AI stuff pretty heavily if you go to www.apple.com/imac/
On 2026-08-19 05:58:25 +0000, super70s said:
On 2026-08-19 00:05:18 +0000, Your Name said:
On 2026-08-18 23:18:48 +0000, super70s said:
I just bought a 2017 iMac running Ventura (so I can run the latest
irefox), right beside it is a 2014 iMac running Mojave. I've been
dowloading a lot of new apps that will run on the 2017 iMac and it
really gets tiresome oing through the kabuki dance of "Open Anyway" in >>>> the Privacy & Security reference every time I want to launch a new app >>>> I downloaded from MacUpdate.com.
I'm still using High Sierra, but according to some places these options >>> still works in Ventura and Sonoma
Option 1:
Instead of double-clicking a newly installed app, right click on the
new app and choose "Open", then confirm you understand you're opening
an 'unknown' app. Usually this works, but for some stubborn apps you
may need to use Option 2.
Option 2:
You can turn off Gatekeeper by using the Terminal command
sudo spctl --master-disable
That reinstates the hidden "Anywhere" option as the default in System
Settings > Privacy & Security to let you more easily open any new app
by double-clicking them as normal.
If you want to turn GateKeeper back on (and hide the "Anywhere" option) >>> after new app has been opened for the first time, use the Terminal
command
sudo spctl --master-enable
I really don't d/l new apps all that often, I've pretty much got the
2017 iMac set up the way I want.
Ventura won't support the old 32-bit Intel software so I had to make
some updates and find some alternatives for a few favorite apps.
I'll have to say I enjoy working on the 2014 iMac running Mojave better >>>> than working in Ventura. Why does Apple keep making their desktop GUI's >>>> weirder as time goes on? The iPhone revolution I guess.
Because Apple keeps adding more and more gimmickry, rather than fixing
the actual existing issues.
The biggest PITB about Ventura is you have to option-click to get a
pop-up for a folder to open in a new window. That has to be inspired by
cell phone swiping.
Again, I'm not sure if it still works in newer MacOS versions, but try holding down the Command key while double-clicking a folder in the
Finder and it will open in a new window leaving the original window
also still open. (You may need to first turn off the Finder >
Preferences > General option for opening folders in tabs).
And no window can be any smaller than the largest window you have on
the computer, or you have to scroll to see icons on the largest window.
What a waste of screen real estate.
Crazy stuff IMO, just because something works better on an iPhone
doesn't mean it translates on a desktop.
(If anybody knows of any extensions to give you more control over the
Finder in Ventura and other more modern OS versions I would appreciate
knowing.)
Depends what you mean by "more control"
TinkerTool / TinkerTool System and OnyX both let you change some of the 'hidden' Finder preferences without going through the Terminal.
Tinker Tool: https://www.bresink.com/products.html
OnyX: https://www.titanium-software.fr/en/onyx.html
There are numerous other little apps and preference panes that give
extra features to MacOS.
It's getting even worse with all the useless "AI" nonsense being
shovelled in now too. :-(
Yeah I notice they're plugging the AI stuff pretty heavily if you go to
www.apple.com/imac/
On 2026-08-19 06:27:54 +0000, Your Name said:
On 2026-08-19 05:58:25 +0000, super70s said:
On 2026-08-19 00:05:18 +0000, Your Name said:
On 2026-08-18 23:18:48 +0000, super70s said:
I just bought a 2017 iMac running Ventura (so I can run the latest
irefox), right beside it is a 2014 iMac running Mojave. I've been
dowloading a lot of new apps that will run on the 2017 iMac and it
really gets tiresome oing through the kabuki dance of "Open Anyway" in >>>>> the Privacy & Security reference every time I want to launch a new app >>>>> I downloaded from MacUpdate.com.
I'm still using High Sierra, but according to some places these options >>>> still works in Ventura and Sonoma
Option 1:
Instead of double-clicking a newly installed app, right click on the
new app and choose "Open", then confirm you understand you're opening >>>> an 'unknown' app. Usually this works, but for some stubborn apps you
may need to use Option 2.
Option 2:
You can turn off Gatekeeper by using the Terminal command
sudo spctl --master-disable
That reinstates the hidden "Anywhere" option as the default in System >>>> Settings > Privacy & Security to let you more easily open any new app >>>> by double-clicking them as normal.
If you want to turn GateKeeper back on (and hide the "Anywhere" option) >>>> after new app has been opened for the first time, use the Terminal
command
sudo spctl --master-enable
I really don't d/l new apps all that often, I've pretty much got the
2017 iMac set up the way I want.
Ventura won't support the old 32-bit Intel software so I had to make
some updates and find some alternatives for a few favorite apps.
I'll have to say I enjoy working on the 2014 iMac running Mojave better >>>>> than working in Ventura. Why does Apple keep making their desktop GUI's >>>>> weirder as time goes on? The iPhone revolution I guess.
Because Apple keeps adding more and more gimmickry, rather than fixing >>>> the actual existing issues.
The biggest PITB about Ventura is you have to option-click to get a
pop-up for a folder to open in a new window. That has to be inspired by >>> cell phone swiping.
Again, I'm not sure if it still works in newer MacOS versions, but try
holding down the Command key while double-clicking a folder in the
Finder and it will open in a new window leaving the original window
also still open. (You may need to first turn off the Finder >
Preferences > General option for opening folders in tabs).
I thought I might have found out a resolution for a folder opening a
new window rather than a tab. I got into a long conversation with
ChatGPT about it, and it suggested option-command-t to get rid of the
window toolbar and sidebar which worked. However, that caused Fetch to
crash when I tried to upload a file; Fetch apparently isn't compatible
with that. So after several tests ChatGPT suggested and the same thing happening, I uninstalled Fetch with AppCleaner and reinstalled it (my suggestion, which it said was reasonable) and that got everything back
to normal.
I told it I'd just do the option-double click contextual menu method
for opening a new folder from a tab, there's apparently no easy
solution in newer OS's unless you want to go digging around in the
Terminal and that could cause other problems.
It's amazing though how ChatGPT knew exactly what to do and
articulately it responded. You need 100 AI centers in every state for
that advantage though, lol.
And no window can be any smaller than the largest window you have on
the computer, or you have to scroll to see icons on the largest window. >>> What a waste of screen real estate.
Crazy stuff IMO, just because something works better on an iPhone
doesn't mean it translates on a desktop.
(If anybody knows of any extensions to give you more control over the
Finder in Ventura and other more modern OS versions I would appreciate
knowing.)
Depends what you mean by "more control"
TinkerTool / TinkerTool System and OnyX both let you change some of the
'hidden' Finder preferences without going through the Terminal.
Tinker Tool: https://www.bresink.com/products.html
OnyX: https://www.titanium-software.fr/en/onyx.html
I asked ChatGPT about that and it said there's no way to do it with TInkerTool.
I'm kind of hesitant to use apps like TinkerTool and OnyX, they've
messed with the permissions in other (older) OS's and I was lucky to
bring the system back from near death a couple of times.
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